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Bill Clinton had close ties to the Chinese I find it interesting that after 8 years of Clinton the Chinese space agency really accelerated their pace to put up their first manned capsules and they also are moving toward a manned landing on the moon. John Kerry gets money for his re-election...why do we allow a foreign country to give to our represenatives? Is there no common sense going on...I don't believe for a minute that the Chinese were just being generous to both Clinton and Kerry...nobody gets something for nothing do they? To me it appears that the Kerry past is a shadowy web of connections to people that most Americans would think is questionable at best. These are just my personal opinions. senna
1 posted on 08/28/2004 8:05:38 AM PDT by senna
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To: senna

This is totally being buried by the media.

This is treason, selling out the country to our enemies.


2 posted on 08/28/2004 8:07:39 AM PDT by FairOpinion (FIGHT TERRORISM! VOTE BUSH/CHENEY 2004.)
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To: senna

If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, smells like a duck...and so on and so forth....!!!!


3 posted on 08/28/2004 8:08:08 AM PDT by soozla ("I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not too sure............"-John Kerry)
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To: senna; All
To read the latest on the Franchurian Candidate's bizzare exploits, click the picture, goto "last," and work backwards:

If you would like to help the Swift Boat Vets ( as I have, and I urge all to do-- even a few dollars will help ) kindly click on this logo:


If, perchance, the top "click the pic" link is not visible, click here:

-John Kerry- some selected, informative links...--


Judge for yourself- see the SwiftVet ads here:

 Swift Boat Ad #3: Kerry's Own Shipmate Calls Kerry on Lie
 The video
The first two ads:
 http://www2.swiftvets.com/index.php?topic=Ads

4 posted on 08/28/2004 8:08:29 AM PDT by backhoe (-30-)
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To: senna

This issue had no effect on clinton/gore and it is doubtful it will have any harmful effects on kerry. Much of the American public apparently does not care where dems get their money or how it will affect this country 10 years down the line.


5 posted on 08/28/2004 8:10:09 AM PDT by freeangel (freeangel)
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To: senna
komrade krinton was the first manchurian candidate, kerry is the second...

why this should be a surprise to anyone is amazing!

komrade krinton cut his deal with the commies in moscow & kerry cut his deal with the commies in paris.

6 posted on 08/28/2004 8:11:00 AM PDT by NoClones
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To: senna
Well, well. Straight from Hitlery's little dossier of big secrets comes the first internal torpedo meant to sink the now vulnerable Swift Boat commander. Piling on has always been her strong suit. Add this to the news that Lehman now denies ever seeing or signing the THIRD version of Kerry's Silver Star citation ("I wasn't me - somebody must have signed it with my Autopen").
You remember that citation - it's the one with the "V" for Kerry's valor that's never before been awarded with a Silver Star.
Lucy, I think he's got some splainin' to do.

PS - Kerry planned appearance before another veteran group in early September ought to be a hoot.
9 posted on 08/28/2004 8:18:31 AM PDT by finnigan2
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To: senna

watch for IMPLOSION and HILiarY to step in


11 posted on 08/28/2004 8:31:46 AM PDT by Mr. K
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To: senna
Bill Clinton had close ties to the Chinese I find it interesting that after 8 years of Clinton the Chinese space agency really accelerated their pace to put up their first manned capsules and they also are moving toward a manned landing on the moon. John Kerry gets money for his re-election...why do we allow a foreign country to give to our represenatives?

Let's also not forget the $millions that Clinton got from the Riadys of Indonesia, owners of the Lippo Group conglomerate.

Indonesia is an interesting country. It's 88% Muslim, but has a wealthy ethnic-Chinese minority. One of the wealthiest ethnic Chinese families is the Riady family:

Lippo, in case you're wondering, is a huge conglomerate based in Indonesia. Its assets are estimated at $6 billion, and it concentrates mainly on banking and real estate in Indonesia and Hong Kong. It also does infrastructure projects in China and owns Lippo Bank of California. It was founded by Mochtar Riady, who rose from poor circumstances in Jakarta to become a highly successful executive at the private Bank Central Asia before founding his own empire. The family interests are represented by his sons Stephen in Hong Kong and James in the United States.

The Riadys are members of predominantly Muslim Indonesia's tiny but fantastically successful ethnic Chinese minority. Last year Forbes magazine wrote that Indonesia had 10 billionaires, six of them new. Most, including Mochtar Riady and Liem Sioe Liong of the Salim Group, owner of the bank where Mr. Riady got his start, have close ties to Indonesia's President Suharto. In case you're wondering whether Mr. Hubbell is an expert on Javanese legal customs or perhaps Irian Jaya property claims, the Riadys are also old Arkansas hands.

One of Mr. Riady's early U.S. investments was Worthen Bank of Arkansas. In 1984, in a partnership with Arkansas financier Jackson Stephens, Lippo bought $16 million of Worthen stock and installed James Riady in Little Rock as a director of the bank. "Mochtar Riady and Jack Stephens owe their friendship to the troubles of another noted financier, Bert Lance," a 1985 story in this newspaper reported. At one point Mr. Riady had offered to buy Mr. Lance's 16% stake in the National Bank of Georgia, but later withdrew, and the shares were eventually sold to Ghaith Pharaon, front man for the corrupt Bank of Credit & Commerce International.

Curiously, Lippo brushed up against the BCCI scandal again in 1991, when its Hong Kong Chinese Bank offered to buy the Hong Kong Bank of Credit & Commerce after regulators seized it. The purchase fell through, but one BCCI executive ended up as a senior vice president of Lippo Group Marketing; he was among four Group former BCCI officials reprimanded by a Hong Kong judge in 1995 for laundering money for drug baron Law Kinman. The money-laundering did not involve Lippo, and a spokesman tells us the executive has since emigrated.

The Worthen purchase started a period of intense collaboration between Stephens and Lippo, with a wide variety of deals, including the purchase of Hong Kong Chinese Bank. A 1994 report by Hong Kong's Securities and Futures Commission criticized a Lippo acquisition in which it was assisted by Stephens Finance. An official of Stephens Inc. told us this week, however, that all business affairs between the Arkansas investment giant and Lippo ended in the late 1980s.

But a relationship seems to remain between the Riadys and President Clinton. The Lippo boardroom in Hong Kong is decorated with a portrait of Mochtar Riady with Bill and Hillary (as well as a photo of Stephen Riady and President Bush). The family patriarch was invited to the Clinton inauguration. James Riady attended the pre-inaugeral economic summit in Little Rock, the Asian-Pacific Economic Conference in Seattle in November 1993, a June 1994 salute to Vice President Al Gore in Washington, and was on hand for President Clinton's November 1994 visit to Indonesia. In connection with the Jakarta visit, Commerce Secretary Ron Brown staged an orgy of contract signings for U. S. business ventures in Indonesia.

Could the Lippos be the Chinese/Islamist connection?
13 posted on 08/28/2004 8:47:49 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: senna
A Klintoon blast from the past...

The Clinton-Loral-China axis
"...This is a scandal unlike any other in American history. Clinton and Schwartz have nothing on Benedict Arnold. The sensitive technical data shared with the Chinese for simple greed and power has apparently enhanced the reliability of Beijing's long-range nuclear missiles -- missiles, by the way, targeted at the United States...."

TUESDAY MAY 26 1998 WorldNetDaily


15 posted on 08/28/2004 9:05:34 AM PDT by Condor51 (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. -- Gen G. Patton Jr)
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To: senna; johnny chung

Mr. Chung used to hang out on FR. I'd love to know what he has to say about Kerry.


16 posted on 08/28/2004 9:21:58 AM PDT by AuntB ("Go count your blessings and when you're done come complain to me." MY Grandma!!)
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To: senna

More foreign leaders support comrad Kerry!


17 posted on 08/28/2004 9:42:38 AM PDT by Roland
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To: senna

Thanks so much for posting this article. I had forgotten about Kerry's involvement in Chinagate. An update on Loral's involvement. Dr. Wah Lim and Dr. Yuli Lee ran like trapped rats until Clinton/Kerry bailed them out. They are the ones who, with Schwartz's help, transferred some of our most important technology to China's aerospace corp. And you can read the papers to see that China has made immediate use of that technology.
Myself and several other aerospace executives went to both Chris Cox and Dana Rohrabacher to try and stop these men. Do you know where they are today? They are sitting on our top technology board in Washington DC, reviewing all of our latest and most top secret technology, which is under the FCC. I sacrificed my career to try and stop them. What good did it do? None. They silenced Rohrabacher and Chris Cox is part of the problem. His so called report was no more than a whitewash of it all. God help us all. They in Washington are all tainted. It isn't just the Democrats, its the Republicans too. The Bush family has a lot of money in China, or did have back in the 80's according to friends of the family.


19 posted on 08/28/2004 1:27:03 PM PDT by Lulu
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To: senna

btt for further discussion


20 posted on 10/12/2004 5:58:05 AM PDT by Ron in Acreage (Kerry is a threat to national security)
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To: senna

It makes sense for JW to go after Kerry on this, but for Republicans talking about this one strikes me as wasted breath.

Moreover, it's not totally obvious to me that we need to view China as an enemy, at least longterm. The one real bone of contention between us is Taiwan and there's a solution to that, i.e. simply pack the nationalist Chinese on Taiwan off to one of our other island possessions 6000 miles away from China or to that Northwest coast of Australia which is inhabited only by crocadiles and poisonous snakes (kill the reptiles first)...


21 posted on 10/12/2004 6:10:50 AM PDT by judywillow
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