Posted on 08/26/2004 11:05:33 PM PDT by n-tres-ted
Two weeks ago a man stood up at a George Bush campaign appearance in Florida to ask about a piece of legislation known as HR25. Many, including myself, were pleased to hear Bush respond with some positive thoughts about the Fair Tax plan, a movement to replace the federal income tax with a national retail sales tax.
Washington is a city of inertia, and right now the inertia belongs to our present method of funding the operations of our government, the income tax. Politicians will not easily surrender a funding mechanism that lends itself so well to political demagoguery and which can be used to reward political allies and punish enemies.
The Fair Tax plan deserves a thorough public examination and debate. John Kerry seems dedicated to making sure this doesnt happen. Soon after Bush cited the national retail sales tax as something worthy of further exploration, Kerry stepped forward with the typical class warfare rhetoric of the left. Acting as if he actually knew what was he was talking about (he didnt), Kerry announced that the Fair Tax would amount to the largest increase in the tax burden on poor and middle income Americans in our history.
John Kerry was wrong. He was either speaking out of ignorance, or he was deliberately lying about the Fair Tax proposal in order to gain a political advantage. A politician lying in order to gain political advantage --- imagine that.
This column is lengthier than the norm, but I promise you that if you will invest the time it takes to read it you will be well on your way to becoming yet another rabid supporter of the Fair Tax plan. You will know that the poor and middle income Americans would be the prime beneficiaries of the proposal. You may even organize your own neighborhood march on Washington to demand that HR25 receive a fair hearing. In the next two minutes Im going to turn you into a HR25 Fair Tax zealot. Read on:
First the briefest of overviews: Simply put, HR25 would provide for the repeal of the 16th Amendment (the income tax amendment) and the dismantling of the IRS. All personal and corporate income taxes would end, as would all payroll taxes. There would not be one cent of federal taxes of any nature taken out of your paychecks. No more Social Security taxes. No more Medicare taxes. You earn $2,000 a payday; you get $2,000 a payday. The federal government would be funded through a national sales tax on goods and services sold at the retail level. No taxes on investments. No taxes on savings. You only get taxed on what you spend at the retail level. Store your earnings in a shoebox if you wish. They wont be taxed.
When originally proposed, calculations showed that the sales tax would have to be in the area of 23%. A complete economic study is now being completed that is expected to bring that total to under 20%. For the purposes of this column, well stick with the 23% figure.
OK lets put on our sensitivity hats for a few minutes here and think of the consequences of the Fair Tax Act on our nations poor, poor, pitiful poor. After all, they can hardly afford a 23% sales tax when theyre living paycheck-to-paycheck in the first place, right?
Bear in mind that for the most part those whom we define as poor arent paying any income tax anyway. In fact, many of them are getting checks from the government; a form of outright income redistribution. The absurdly named Earned Income Tax Credit, for example. How can these people survive going from a no-tax situation to paying a 24% sales tax on all their retail purchases?
The implementation of the Fair Tax would fail in short order if, as the question presupposes, nothing were to change except that all of us would be paying todays prices for a gallon of milk or a loaf of bread, plus a 23% sales tax. But thats would be far from the reality under the Fair Tax. Under the Fair Tax the poor wont only survive, theyll positively thrive! The Fair Tax could turn out to be the best poverty-fighting tool devised in this country since the concept of hard work.
Lets begin by considering two realities.
First, remember, please, that the poor, along with everybody else, will no longer have Social Security taxes or Medicare taxes withheld from their paychecks. Whatever they earn, they get on payday. For the poor this means an immediate 12 to 15% increase in their earnings.
Second. Dont forget the 22% in imbedded taxes. These embedded taxes exist in virtually everything poor Americans or any other Americans have to buy. These embedded taxes represent all of the corporate and business income taxes and payroll taxes that the companies involved in the production, manufacture, marketing, distribution and sale of the goods and services must pay in the course of business. As soon as these taxes are gone, and after the competitive forces of the free market work their magic consumers, including the poor, will be paying at least 20% less for virtually everything they buy. This includes such basics as food, clothing, shelter and transportation. Yes... theyll have to pay the new national sales tax, but when you factor in the lower prices caused by the disappearance of the embedded taxes youll see that the total price paid for consumer goods in terms of real dollars will fall or will remain very nearly the same.
So just considering these factors, the Fair Tax delivers a winning hand to people living in or near to what we call poverty. They get every penny they earn on payday, amounting to a 12 to 15% pay raise, and when you factor in the Fair Tax and the lower prices, theyre actually end up spending less of their money for a retail purchase than before. What John Kerry calls the greatest increase in the tax burden on the poor in the history of our country is, in reality, their greatest tax reduction.
You need a clearer picture? Pull out your calculator. Lets say that a single mother with two children spends $45 a week on groceries. The removal of the 22% embedded tax would bring the price of those groceries down to $35.10. The sales tax at 23% would be $8.07. This brings the total price to $43.17. Thats less than would have paid under todays tax system. This single mother, whom well consider poor, has just received a 12% to 15% increase in her weekly paychecks, and shes paying less at the grocery story for her basic necessities.
So far, so good. At this point you should be thoroughly convinced that the Fair Tax would actually benefit, rather than harm the poor. But, then again, maybe not. Heres the convincer. Brace yourself for the knockout punch.
The Rebate
Under the Fair Tax plan every consumer, rich and poor alike, will receive a check or an electronic credit to their bank account from the federal government every single month equal to the sales tax that person or that family would be expected to pay on the purchase of the basic necessities of life for that month. The size of the monthly payment will be based on the governments published poverty levels for various sized households.
Heres an example of how the rebate payments would have worked in 2003.
Lets say youre a married couple with two children. The Fair Tax Act sets forth a formula for computing the poverty level, based on government figures, which negates any marriage penalty. If the Fair Tax Act had been law in 2003 you would have been granted an annual consumption allowance of $24,240. This is what the government would assume you would have had to spend during that one year to buy the basic necessities of life for your family. The sales tax on this amount would equal $5,575. The government would have rebated this amount to you in 12 equal monthly installments of $465. What about a single woman with one child? Her monthly rebate in 2003 would have been $232. The lowest payment would be to a single person with no dependents. That person would have received $172 per month.
Now bear in mind, this rebate isnt only paid to the poor. It is paid to everyone, rich and poor alike. The purpose here is to make sure that no American has to pay the Fair Tax sales tax on the basic necessities of life. Unlike the present income tax system, the Fair Tax treats each and every person in this country exactly the same. This, of course, presents somewhat of a problem to politicians who like to use the tax code to foment class distrust or outright warfare.
OK lets add it up for Americas lower income citizens:
1. They get their entire paycheck. 2. Even with the sales tax, and considering the drop in prices, theyll be paying essentially the same or less for everything they buy. 3. They get a check from the federal government every month to rebate any sales taxes they had to pay on lifes basic necessities.
Are you beginning to see just how far off-base John Kerry was with his intemperate criticisms?
Though most of the poor dont have what we would call complex tax returns, lets also include the time these they (all of us, really) will save by not having to keep tax records or file tax returns.
If youre looking for some reason to oppose the Fair Tax plan, youre going to have to find a better excuse than its effect on the poor. John Kerry might find it politically expedient to demagogue the issue for votes, but now you know enough to know what hes up to.
For more comprehensive information on The Fair Tax you can visit http://www.fairtax.org.
Neal Boortz is a lawyer and nationally syndicated radio talk show host.
©2004 Neal Boortz
Hogwash. The inverse says that profit margins can only be cut so far before there are diminishing returns on cutting it further. Taxes are part of the cost of doing businesses, and your competitors suffer the same costs, so no one gains an advantage by cutting profit margins beyond the point where extra market share makes it worth while.
And shouldn't it be? Your entire package relies on nothing more than that single projection!
As I've said before, I certainly don't want to bet the entire US economy on such a flimsily established point.
Tax-a-phrenic: Paying $4 interest to a banker to avoid paying $1 tax to the IRS, so the banker can pay the IRS a $1 for you.
The NRST proposed in HR25 relies on much more fundmental ground than mere worry over how the same amount of federal tax burden on the nation changes the economy just because you change the mode of taxation from income/payroll taxes to a retail sales tax perceptible to the entire electorate.
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.
Benjamin Franklin.
Patrick Henry, Virginia Ratifying Convention June 12, 1788:
- "the oppression arising from taxation, is not from the amount but, from the mode "
- "The income tax in effect makes us vassals to the government the politicians decide how much income we can keep. No mere reform of this slave tax, such as flattening the rate, can correct its fundamental denial of control over our own money. Only the abolition of the income tax itself will restore the basic American principle that our income is both our own money and our own private business - not the government's."
- "Replacing the income tax with a national sales tax would rejuvenate independence and responsibility in our citizens. True economic liberty and moral revival go hand in hand."
I discussed the importance of abolishing the income tax because of its tendency to form a habit of servility in the souls of a people that accepts it. Servility of soul is bad not only in itself, it is also an open door through which will soon walk the abuses of ambitious government power. Leaders who find themselves with governmental power over a servile people will be quick to conclude that such a people exist to serve them. |
Prices under an nrst will NOT simply be today's price plus tax, moto.
The nrst eliminates a lot of expenses to products and services. Only the amount of eliminated expenses is in debate. My research is about 22%. If you want to discuss the amount, we can do that... but that does't appear to be a question.
Competition and the law of price elasticity (neither of which are in question) will push those costs out of prices...then when you add the nrst, prices are back to today's level.
So charge a buck today or charge tomorrow - the price will be about the same.
Not going to happen.
Because tax reform is already a major legislative priority for the 2005-2006 Congress.
Lets do some more predictions while we are in fantasy land on the potential effects of the proposal which will never happen.
I predict that no major tax reform will happen in 2005/2006. Or in the next administration for that matter.
Taxes are part of the cost of doing businesses, and your competitors suffer the same costs, so no one gains an advantage by cutting profit margins beyond the point where extra market share makes it worth while.No they don't. There are foreign companies and the are plenty of domestic companies that don't pay taxes. They could also pay their labor less instead of putting taxes in prices.
My research is about 22%. If you want to discuss the amount, we can do that... but that does't appear to be a question.Yes it is a question. Show me who says consumer prices will drop 22%.
Actually, you would pay $1.29%. The "tax exclusive" rate is 29.87%. The 23% is the "tax inclusive" rate (29 is 23% of 1.29). Cute, huh?
Yep, and the same amount of tax paid either way.
Lets see $29 split between personal income/payroll taxes and hidden taxes embedded in prices.
Or $29 tax with visible receipt detailing full tax amount in payment for NRST on retail purchases.
I think I would rather have everyone know amount they really end up paying for the government demanded.
Yes it is a question. Show me who says consumer prices will drop 22%.
It's just guesses afterall. So why bother?
Assume no change in shelf price and everyone gets the gross pay with no witholding for income or payroll taxes.
Individual can do whatever they want with not having to payout witholding and SS/Medicare taxes anymore, while recieving the NRST demogrant to cover retail tax payments up to the povertyline of consumption.
Businesses can keep whatever extra profit they come up with for not having to pay the federalies anymore and do whatever they want with the extra (pay dividends, improve or expand their production facilities, higher more people, pay higher wages ... why some might even try to lower product prices to increase their profits through grabbing market share -- gasp.)
Sounds good to me. Think I go buy some stock.
Sounds good to me. Think I go buy some stock.At what NRST rate would it not sound good to you? Where do you get off the bandwagon?
Look up "incidence of corporate taxes" on Google. It's not hogwash.
Your right, you can find something on Google:
Econonomic Report of the President, 2004 Chapter 4, page 106- Theory of Tax Incidence One crucial finding in the study of tax incidence is that the economic incidence of a tax (the identity of the person who bears the burden of the tax) can be completely different from its statutory or legal incidence (the identity of the person upon whom the law officially imposes the tax). In other words, the person who is legally responsible for paying the tax may not be the one who actually bears the burden of the tax. As explained below, the incidence of a tax depends upon the law of supply and demand, not the laws of Congress. Another crucial principle is that only people can pay taxes. Businesses and other artificial entities cannot pay taxes. Although the corporate income tax is legally imposed on firms that are organized as corporations, the actual burden of the tax can fall only on peopleperhaps the firms owners, or its employees, or its customersbut certainly not on a legal artifact such as a corporation. Similarly, although the estate tax is legally imposed on the estate, the burden of the tax can fall only on peopleperhaps the decedent who left the estate, perhaps the heirs, perhaps other peoplebut not the estate, which is merely a legal construct established to sort through the ownership of the decedents assets. It is simplest to first discuss the incidence of a simple excise tax, a tax levied on a specific good or service. As explained below, the key insights from this analysis can be extended to apply to other types of taxes. Incidence of an Excise Tax
Legal Incidence Is Unimportant
Applied Distributional Analysis of Excise Taxes and Subsidies
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Look up "incidence of corporate taxes" on Google. It's not hogwash.
Ooooo!!! I found another one, from CBO even:
Incidence of the Corporate Income Tax,(1998):
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This chapter discusses some of the ways in which distributional tables can be improved. The key points in this chapter are:
- The actual incidence of a tax may have little to do with the legal specification of its incidence. Official distributional tables recognize this fact in >many contexts, but not in all of them.
- In the long run, a large part of the burden of capital taxes is likely to be shifted to workers through a reduction in wages. Analyses that fail to recognize this shift can be misleading, suggesting that higher income groups bear an unrealistically large share of the long-run burden of such taxes.
What's your point. This is what I've been saying for a long time? Are you giving up the ghost on the idea that all taxes are in prices?
With a payroll tax, the product being taxed is labor and its price is the wage rate. Applying the insights obtained from the analysis of excise taxes, the relevant question is whether firms demand for labor or workers supply of labor is more responsive to changes in the wage rate. In the long run, it is likely that firms are more responsive, or flexible, particularly in a global economy in which they can relocate abroad. This conclusion implies that employees bear most of the payroll tax burden, a result supported by empirical studies. In other words, wages paid to employees are lower by an amount roughly equal to the employers part of the payroll tax. In accord with this conclusion, official distributional analyses generally assign the full burden of payroll taxes to employees. The primary controversy in this area concerns whether the distributional analysis should also include the Social Security benefits that are financed by the payroll tax.
At what NRST rate would it not sound good to you? Where do you get off the bandwagon?
Whenever an NRST tax inclusive rate exceeds 1.1* the CBO calculated effective total federal tax rate for the year preceding enactment of the provisions and taxbase defined in the current HR25 text:
Effective Total Federal Tax Rate (Percent of gross income) | |||||||||||||
Income Category | 1977 | 1979 | 1981 | 1983 | 1985 | 1987 | 1989 | 1991 | 1993 | 1995 | 1997 | 1999 | 2001 |
All Families | 22.2 | 22.4 | 20.4 | 20.9 | 20.9 | 21.6 | 21.5 | 21.5 | 22.0 | 22.6 | 22.9 | 22.9 | 21.5 |
Data from IRS collections statistics and The Bureau of Economic Analysis as compiled in tabular form by the Congressional Budget Office.
http://www.cbo.gov/showdoc.cfm?index=5324&sequence=0
I guess you missed this part on page 103:
Not at all for that is what can happen with a tax that burdens industry too much. Business tends to go belly up for lack of ability to make a profit if it can't compete it lays off workers exchanging them for lower paid new hires or worse collapses into bankruptcy when everyone looses.
Has happened to me, can happen again. You go on and get another job, and build your wage/salary up again or start your own business and see if you can do better.
Thomas Hobbes, Leviathan it is fairer to tax people on what they extract from the economy, as roughly measured by their consumption, than to tax them on what they produce for the economy, as roughly measured by their income.
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security.
Benjamin Franklin.
The fundament issue is not how much but killing the income tax is the dominant basis for me:
Patrick Henry, Virginia Ratifying Convention June 12, 1788:
- "the oppression arising from taxation, is not from the amount but, from the mode
"As a matter of fact, what the income tax does and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government." . . . "The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system." "In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they wont, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation." |
"I have a better idea. Put the Constitutional provision, tariffs, on every good and service entering the country. Not only will we pay NO taxes, we'll all have decent jobs when the factories and investment capital come running back home. Talk about a win-win."
-- Sweet! Then all our competitors can rataliate and destroy global trade. (sarcasm)
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