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Who Needs Assault Weapons?
NY Times ^ | August 18, 2004 | NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF

Posted on 08/18/2004 8:54:44 PM PDT by neverdem

MERIDIAN, Idaho — If you've been longing for your very own assault rifle and 30-round magazine for the next holiday season, you're in luck.

President Bush, sidestepping a promise, is allowing the ban on assault rifles and oversized clips to expire on Sept. 14. So at a gun store here in Meridian, a bit west of Boise, the counter has a display promising "2 FREE HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES."

All you have to do is purchase a new Beretta 9-millimeter handgun and you'll receive two high-capacity magazines - on the condition, the fine print states, that the federal ban expires on schedule.

President Bush promised in the last presidential campaign to support an extension of the ban, which was put in place in 1994 for 10 years. "It makes no sense for assault weapons to be around our society," Mr. Bush observed at the time.

These days Mr. Bush still says that he'll sign an extension of the ban if it happens to reach his desk. But he knows that the only way the ban can be extended on time is if he actually urges its passage, and he refuses to do that. So his promise to support an extension rings hollow - it's not exactly a lie, but it's not the full truth, either.

Mr. Bush's flip-flop is surprising because he has generally had the courage of his convictions. Apparently he's hiding from this issue because it's so politically charged.

Critics of the assault weapon ban have one valid point: the ban has more holes than Swiss cheese.

"The big frustration of my customers is that [the ban] removed things that were kind of fun and made it look cool, but didn't affect how the gun operated," said Sean Wontor, a salesman who heaved two rifles onto the counter of Sportsman's Warehouse here in Meridian to make his point.

One was an assault weapon that was produced before the ban (and thus still legal), and the other was a sanitized version produced afterward to comply with the ban by removing the bayonet mount and the flash suppressor.

After these cosmetic changes, the rifle is now no longer considered an assault weapon, yet, of course, it is just as lethal.

Still, assault weapons, while amounting to only 1 percent of America's 190 million privately owned guns, account for a hugely disproportionate share of gun violence precisely because of their macho appeal.

Assault weapons aren't necessary for any kind of hunting or target shooting, but they're popular because they can transform a suburban Walter Mitty into Rambo, for a lot less money than a Hummer.

"I've got a ton of customers shooting squirrels with AK-47's," said Kevin Tester, a gun salesman near Boise. "They're using 30-round magazines and 7.62-millimeter ammunition, they're shooting up the hills, and they're having a blast."

I grew up on an Oregon farm that bristled with guns to deal with the coyotes that dined on our sheep. Having fired everything from a pistol to a machine gun, I can testify that shooting can be a lot of fun. But consider the cost: 29,000 gun deaths in America each year.

While gun statistics are as malleable as Play-Doh, they do underscore that assault weapons are a special problem in America.

They accounted for 8.4 percent of the guns traced to crimes between 1988 and 1991, and they are still used in one in five fatal shootings of police officers. If anything, we should be plugging the holes in the ban by having it cover copycat weapons without bayonet mounts, instead of moving backward and allowing a new flood of weapons and high-capacity magazines.

The bottom line is that Mr. Bush's waffling on assault weapons will mean more dead Americans.

About 100 times as many Americans are already dying from gunfire in the U.S. as in Iraq. As many Americans die from firearms every six weeks as died in the 9/11 attacks - yet the White House is paralyzed on this issue.

Mr. Bush needs to live up to his campaign promise and push to keep the ban on assault weapons. Otherwise, we'll bring more of the Iraq-like carnage to our own shores, and his refusal to confront our gun problem will kill more Americans over time than Osama bin Laden ever could.


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To: neverdem

I do, need something for the riots.


61 posted on 08/18/2004 9:56:19 PM PDT by Coleus (Abortion and Euthanasia, Don't Democrats just kill ya!)
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To: fourdeuce82d; Joe Brower; El Gato

PING


62 posted on 08/18/2004 9:58:07 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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To: GeronL

Yes, as Bill Murray's character said, "One heavily armed recreational vehicle." Also, i have thought that it would be jolly fun to procure a hulk of an old Volvo station wagon, cover it with Kerry/Edwards stickers, and splatter it with an RPG. call it "catharsis."


63 posted on 08/18/2004 9:59:52 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Kerry lied while people died)
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To: neverdem

"About 100 times as many Americans are already dying from gunfire in the U.S. as in Iraq."

I don't think so, Tim.

The favorite word, among those who have no clue re: the facts, is.......

"About"

B, as in "B"...S, as in "S"


64 posted on 08/18/2004 10:01:34 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: neverdem
What's he doing in Boise? I didn't think we let NYT reporters in town.

Beretta normal cap mags are pretty reasonably priced. They made a ton of them.

65 posted on 08/18/2004 10:02:47 PM PDT by cruiserman
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To: neverdem
While gun statistics are as malleable as Play-Doh, they do underscore that assault weapons are a special problem in America.
Translation:
"We have loads of cooked stats, and we know you have clean stats that objectively demonstrate that gun ownership leads to lower crime rates, not higher. Therefore, I will state that that stats are unreliable, to defuse your eventual rollout of the stats. But, at the same time, I will use the very stats that I just badmouthed to make a loose statement that they point to a problem. In other words, all stats are equal but some stats are more equal than others. Especially when they are our stats."

66 posted on 08/18/2004 10:08:32 PM PDT by boycottliberalhollywood.com (www.boycottliberalhollywood.com - www.twoamericas.us)
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To: Army Air Corps

I also had an idea for a copter/jet thing that would take off like a helicopter and after its moving fast enough the rotors would fold up and be lowered into a revetment along the spine as small jet engines takeover.


67 posted on 08/18/2004 10:08:35 PM PDT by GeronL (Viking Kitties have won the GOLD MEDAL in the 2,000 meter ZOTTING)
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To: Coleus
I could have used one this afternoon. An 80lb. pitbull crossed the river (shallow North fork of the American) to check out my rat terrior.(both males) I thought the owner was watching his dog but instead, was too busy playing with friends and tanning his tatooes.

When he got within ten feet, I picked my dog up and carried him fifty yards over river rock while this pit circled, sniffed, and was showing a great interest in 'Oscar' who I held at shoulder height. Finally, a whistle and yell and the pit headed back to his 'master'.

This is a 'state' park where all dogs are to be leashed at all times. Out of the five dogs I saw, only Oscar was on a leash. Sorry for the vent, but looking back, this might have turned out much worse and I could only hold myself responsible for not being in possession of a hand-cannon as I was just killing time (waiting for granddaughter's appointment to be over) thinking a quick trip to the river might be fairly tame. Never again. Notice to pit owners: you take them off the leash, I'm taking it out of the holster.

68 posted on 08/18/2004 10:15:54 PM PDT by budwiesest
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To: neverdem
"Who Needs Assault Weapons?"

Viking kitties and Zot Masters.

69 posted on 08/18/2004 10:17:09 PM PDT by spunkets
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To: fso301
Who Needs Assault Weapons?---- I'll take all you have.

In the spirit of Bill Clinton, it all depends on what Asault Weapon means....... Personally, if you use the California definition of evil looking military type weapons, I have several assault weapons. If you use the traditional military definition that means capable of fully automatic or burst fire, I doubt I will every spring for the Class 3 requirements. On the other hand if you use the federal ASW Ban definition, I am chomping at the bit to get an AR-10 for FN/FAL clone semi-auto in .308 Win.

70 posted on 08/18/2004 10:18:55 PM PDT by Robert357
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To: MarkeyD
"I've got a ton of customers shooting squirrels with AK-47's,"

Doesn't leave much meat or hide though. I guess you get a tail for your hat and that would be about all.

71 posted on 08/18/2004 10:22:38 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: NRA2BFree
Can you imagine how the men who used flintlocks would react to modern assault weapons?

Yeah... in modern parlance, the reaction would sound something like: "Woah!! Lemme try that thing!"

72 posted on 08/18/2004 10:26:48 PM PDT by Cloud William (The Second Amendment is the Statute of Liberty! - Col. Jeff Cooper)
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To: NRA2BFree
I'm sure your right. Can you imagine how the men who used flintlocks would react to modern assault weapons?

They'd not want some reduced capability rifle relative to what the standing army is supplied with. They'd be appalled at the National Firearms Act, let alone the Assault Weapon ban.

73 posted on 08/18/2004 10:35:39 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: neverdem; Rambette66
If you've been longing for your very own assault rifle and 30-round magazine for the next holiday season, you're in luck.

Attention Rambette! Christmas hint!

74 posted on 08/18/2004 11:01:23 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Don't miss your chance to be a goon: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack ping list today!)
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To: umgud
If your flintlock has a flash hider, pistol grip stock and bayonet lug it IS considered an "assault weapon!"
75 posted on 08/18/2004 11:05:28 PM PDT by endthematrix (Christians: Are you a day trader or are you investing for the long haul?)
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To: neverdem
So at a gun store here in Meridian, a bit west of Boise, the counter has a display promising "2 FREE HIGH-CAPACITY MAGAZINES."

Sweet! My mom lives in Kuna, she could get that for me for Christmas this year!

76 posted on 08/18/2004 11:07:21 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (Conservative, Republican, Raider Fan)
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To: neverdem
Dear "Nicholas D. Kristof" my semi-auto rifle that has the same furniture and looks as a goobermint issue select fire "real" assault rifle is no more an assault rifle than an inflatable doll is your girlfriend.......Ok bad analogy in your case maybe......keep huffing and puffin and some day maybe you'll get it.
77 posted on 08/18/2004 11:12:44 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Texas Eagle; bang_list

LMAO...........That's a keeper !


78 posted on 08/18/2004 11:17:03 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Cloud William
Yeah... in modern parlance, the reaction would sound something like: "Woah!! Lemme try that thing!"

LOL I'm sure your right. They would be anxious to get their hands on one.

79 posted on 08/18/2004 11:18:46 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce!)
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To: El Gato
They'd not want some reduced capability rifle relative to what the standing army is supplied with. They'd be appalled at the National Firearms Act, let alone the Assault Weapon ban.

You're right. If they were still around, we wouldn't have the Firearms Act or the AWB.

80 posted on 08/18/2004 11:22:52 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (Life is not about how fast you run, or how high you climb, but how well you bounce!)
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