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DRUDGE:ANTI-KERRY VETS GATHER FOR ASSAULT; BOOK CLAIMS KERRY WAR 'FABRICATIONS'
http://www.drudgereport.com/ ^ | August 3, 2004 | self

Posted on 08/03/2004 6:27:18 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave

Font size=5> ANTI-KERRY VETS GATHER FOR ASSAULT; BOOK CLAIMS KERRY WAR 'FABRICATIONS'


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To: nuffsenuff; All

Hillary maybe running after all cauz I think Kerry might be toast!!!!!


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281 posted on 08/03/2004 9:37:12 PM PDT by ebiskit (South Park Republican)
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To: dano1
Unlike Moore's work I bet this book is well-researched, well-documented and factually correct.

And here's the fun part--assume for a second the book is sloppy and/or false.

GWB faithfully leads our nation through the 9/11 national nightmare. Moore falsely accuses him of being a traitor who helped 9/11 along.

John Kerry swears under oath that he committed war crimes. O'Neill and the swift boat vets "confirm" it for him. What's he going to say, "No, I didn't really do that, I lied to the Senate while our troops were under fire and O'Neill knows it! I'm not a war criminal, I'm a traitor! Vote for me, dammit!"

Talk about some instant karma...

282 posted on 08/03/2004 9:37:31 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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To: Interesting Times
An excerpt from the Boston Globe series about Kerry:

That legislative record left Kerry vulnerable when Weld, the popular Republican governor, came calling for Kerry's Senate seat in 1996.

In his first two Senate campaigns, Kerry had walked over fairly light Republican opposition, millionaire businessmen Raymond Shamie in 1984 and Rappaport in 1990. He'd dispatched Shamie by painting him as a conservative extremist. Rappaport's challenge was waylaid by Kerry's clever television ads that ridiculed the Republican's past residency in Hawaii and questioned his business dealings.

There would be no easy route around Weld. Despite the state's lopsided Democratic voter registration advantage, Weld had been reelected in 1994 in a historic landslide, burying state Representative Mark Roosevelt with nearly 71 percent of the vote.

Kerry's equal or better in lineage, education, and resume, Weld was now restless in his State House office. Like Kerry, he had presidential aspirations. Like Kerry, he saw a path to the White House running through the seat of the state's junior senator.

It was a campaign for the ages, the marquee Senate contest in the country. A pair of heavyweights, they slugged it out in seven memorable debates on statewide television. They argued about every issue imaginable, trying to magnify small differences as they grappled for the political center.

Weld rolled out the platform that had served him well in state elections: reform welfare, be tougher on criminals, and cut taxes. Kerry staked out Democratic positions on health insurance for children, investments in education, and better job-training programs.

Kerry, however, was suffering defections by some Bay State Democratic officials. Others did little to help him. After Kerry's 12 years in Washington, some said he was a stranger, a remote figure who courted them at election time.

The candidates made a personal pledge to each other to abide by a cap on overall spending and media costs. They also agreed not to spend more than $500,000 in personal wealth. But in the final weeks, with Weld outspending Kerry, the incumbent blew off the cap, mortgaged the Beacon Hill townhouse he jointly owned with his wife, and poured $1.7 million into his campaign kitty. He claimed Weld was buying more media time than their agreement allowed, but there was scant evidence to back that up.

As Election Day neared, some polls had Weld closing on his opponent. But Kerry, say his campaign operatives, always performs worst when he is cautiously nursing a lead, best when in danger.

Kerry turned out swift boat crewmen, his Navy superiors, and even retired admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr. at Charlestown Navy Yard to sing his praises. Ted Kennedy, too, stepped in. The senior senator co-wrote legislation with Kerry to ensure that all children were covered by health insurance, a program to be financed by a cigarette tax. Kennedy's staff helped Kerry draft the bill and gave it to him to announce just a month before the election. Kerry used the issue in his ads and speeches as a cudgel against Weld, who had vetoed a similar measure in Massachusetts.

In the gravitational pull of President Clinton's crushing 33-percent victory over Bob Dole in Massachusetts, Kerry beat Weld by 191,508 votes, or 7.5 percent of the 2.55 million cast At his victory party on election night, Kerry proclaimed, "We made this a race about health care for poor children, and when we finish, the Kerry-Kennedy health care bill for children will provide all children in America with health care!" But with the election over, it was Kennedy who did the heavy lifting on the child insurance bill: finding a Republican cosponsor in Utah Senator Orrin Hatch; raising money to run ads to battle the tobacco lobby; and going to war with Republican Senate leaders and the Clinton White House, when necessary, to win passage of a $24 billion health care program for uninsured children.

"Mostly Kerry is more interested in the titles of his bills than the actual guts of the legislation," says Weld's campaign spokesman, Rob Gray, now a GOP consultant. "He worked on bills that sounded good in press releases and gave him good media, and then moved on to the next thing."

Notice the tactics employed by Kerry against Weld are very similar to what he is doing now. He is following the same playbook. Look for Kerry to assemble more veterans to try to bail him out this time. However, his military record has never underwent this kind of scrutiny before.

283 posted on 08/03/2004 9:38:30 PM PDT by kabar
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To: ebiskit; All

"Hillary maybe running after all cauz I think Kerry might be toast!!!!!"

French Toast, that is!!


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284 posted on 08/03/2004 9:39:46 PM PDT by ebiskit (South Park Republican)
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To: Connservative
"I can't find any thread(s) on the topic at all over there, which is real unusually. Maybe they pulled them."

There's a whiff of desperation in the air at DU and the DNC.

(Buyer's remorse is such a bummer.)

285 posted on 08/03/2004 9:39:47 PM PDT by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
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To: vikingchick
Domestic animals include what.....chickens, pigs, dogs, cats?

Lots of families in rural Viet Nam use a water buffalo to plow their rice paddy. Kill the buffalo, the family becomes a band of starving refugees. And I'm not sure, but I think Kerry mentioned that exact aspect in his Senate testimony, claiming that some troops had killed buffalo just to screw these innocent civilian families over.

286 posted on 08/03/2004 9:41:29 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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To: MissyMa
Usually a book has an embargo placed on its contents, keeping them out of the press until the day of publication. Sometimes it's because an entire book's value is in a half dozen pieces of info that, if released early would negate the need to buy the book.

Other times it's because the book's a dud, the material is easily refuted and the publisher wants to prevent early exposure.

287 posted on 08/03/2004 9:44:12 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (" You have never tasted freedom my friend, else you would know, it is purchased not with gold, but w)
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To: defenderSD
I think this book will get a lot of attention, because the presidential election is a big deal in the media and the public knows we still have time to do something about Kerry. By the time most of the Clinton books were published, Slick Willy was already in his second term. John O'Neill is a very effective speaker and he has a calm, friendly non-partisan demeanor. He's almost the opposite of Newt Gingrich in demeanor (not that I don't like Newt.) I've heard him on the Larry Elder radio show a couple of times and he's very good--calm, reasonable, friendly, smart, and very consistent and steady in his message. Kerry will get chewed up in a buzzsaw if he tries to argue directly with the Swift Boat vets. Most likely Kerry will eventually just try to change the subject, but O'Neill and his group will continue to chip away at Kerry and pull swing voters from his camp. Yeah, the typical Dem voter did no research on Kerry and is now suffering from "buyer's remorse."

I certainly hope you're right. I don't see this author getting invitations for Good Morning America or This Week with Stephie Stephanopoulos, though. And I predict exactly zero mentions in the main news sources for so many, the Jay Leno and Jon Stewart monologues. Unfortunately, I think the fact that this is an election year does make it more newsworthy and therefore more imperative to spike it. I hope I'm wrong.

288 posted on 08/03/2004 9:45:21 PM PDT by SupplySider
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To: Callahan

Gotta have a lieberal Judge in your pocket first... ;)


289 posted on 08/03/2004 9:47:05 PM PDT by RasterMaster (Saddam's family was a WMD - We FOUND him and sons are DEAD!)
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To: Interesting Times
So hey, are we having fun yet?

A blast! LOL!

290 posted on 08/03/2004 9:47:44 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: kabar
Kerry turned out swift boat crewmen, his Navy superiors, and even retired admiral Elmo R. Zumwalt Jr. at Charlestown Navy Yard to sing his praises.

That's not particularly accurate. Kerry had been accused of committing an atrocity during the incident that resulted in his Silver Star. Zumwalt and several Swift vets, including his former commander Elliott, came forward to state that these charges were not true, which is a far cry from "singing his praises."

I agree: Kerry has always relied on the core of leftist veterans who have supported him since his VVAW days when he gets in trouble. They help him wave the flag, contemptuously dismiss anybody who wasn't in Vietnam, and play the war hero card.

That isn't going to work as well this time...

291 posted on 08/03/2004 9:51:30 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: Las Vegas Dave
I don't like Kerry and I am all for the truth of his service medals and military service to come out.
However if it turns out this was financed by some Texas Donor to the Bush Campaign I don't like it.
I think it is all fine if this comes straight from people who served with Kerry and it can be independently verified.
The danger here is it can backfire if people think this was a Republican put up job.
I despise these tactics because they are usually done with people of limited intelligence who think they won't be identified and then they usually are to the embarrassment of all concerned.
These veterans who served with Kerry must not be connected to any donor or person or persons connected with the Republican Party for these kind of charges and accusations to be taken seriously. Otherwise it's a waste of time and a black eye for our side.
292 posted on 08/03/2004 9:52:04 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: JayNorth
I'm too old and cynical to think the MSM will breath a word of it, or else they will never talk about the substance of the issue (a la Dox in Sox), only about the "timing", "who financed this partisan attack", etc.

Joe Conason will be the lead hit man on this project and they'll try to peel off John McCain:

"The "swift boat" veterans attacking John Kerry's war record are led by veteran right-wing operatives using the same vicious techniques they used against John McCain four years ago."

293 posted on 08/03/2004 9:53:00 PM PDT by Leroy S. Mort
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To: Scott from the Left Coast
Too late.

Kerry destroyed himself last week.

I am telling you all now that Kerry will withdraw his name within 30 days of the election.

Hillary Clinton will step into the void.

And isn't it correct that since it's in the 30 day window a lot of poltical ads will not be able to name Clinton by name.

294 posted on 08/03/2004 9:53:04 PM PDT by DCPatriot
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To: SupplySider

This is difficult to predict. If the Kerry camp views the book as effective, widely discussed, and damaging to Kery then they may decide they are forced to argue directly with the Swift Boat Vets and try to refute their charges. But if they view the book as a minor annoyance, they'll probably just ignore it as you suggest. So let's all buy the book and boost the sales numbers! Well I'm going to buy it anyway. It will be real interesting to see how big of a stir this book causes and how much Kerry wants to mix it up with the Swift Boat Vets. If he tries to argue directly with them, I predict he will run into a buzzsaw and get himself in deeper trouble. But I really don't know how this will turn out. I'm hoping for a big media controversy.


295 posted on 08/03/2004 9:53:42 PM PDT by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood; Interesting Times
However if it turns out this was financed by some Texas Donor to the Bush Campaign I don't like it

IT- can you explain where they got this silly idea?

296 posted on 08/03/2004 10:00:40 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
"These veterans who served with Kerry must not be connected to any donor or person or persons connected with the Republican Party for these kind of charges and accusations to be taken seriously. Otherwise it's a waste of time and a black eye for our side."

I'm afraid that's not very realistic, because in a group of 200 people someone is going to have some connection to the Republican party. It's more important that the book is factually accurate and that all the people in the group actually served at the same time as Kerry and know something about him. The last thing I read was that O'Neill's group was working to verify that all the men had served in the Navy in the same time and place as Kerry.

297 posted on 08/03/2004 10:00:57 PM PDT by defenderSD (The number of people who lie about space aliens for $ far exceeds the number of aliens on earth.)
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To: defenderSD
let's all buy the book and boost the sales numbers!

I plan on buying several copies. Early Christmas gifts.

298 posted on 08/03/2004 10:02:32 PM PDT by abner (http://www.swiftvets.com or http://www.wintersoldier.com)
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To: Leroy S. Mort
Conason fails to explain how the Republicans managed 34 years ago to place their operatives in about 95% of the Swift boat positions, in uncanny anticipation of this election...
299 posted on 08/03/2004 10:02:36 PM PDT by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: wingman1

"Probably an M79. Rounds are HE (High Explosive) for use in relatively open terrain and fleshette rounds (like a big shotgun) for use in jungle."

It's spelled Fletchette. Not that I've ever fired one.

Thank you for your service!


300 posted on 08/03/2004 10:03:07 PM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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