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The World On Its Head: The Strange Case of Kristine H. and Lisa R.
BreakPoint with Charles Colson ^ | 12 July 04 | Mark Earley

Posted on 07/12/2004 4:23:39 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback

Note: This commentary was delivered by Prison Fellowship President Mark Earley .

In 1992, two women, Kristine and Lisa, began a “long-term relationship.” Ten years later, it ended but not before one of them had given birth.

Sorting out the mess created by this relationship’s breakup has now produced a landmark legal decision—one that demonstrates how our culture has turned marriage and family law on its head.

After Kristine became pregnant by artificial insemination, the pair entered into a domestic partnership agreement agreeing that both would be the child’s parents. Lisa, however, never adopted the child, even though, under California law, she could have done so.

Two years after the child’s birth, Kristine ended the partnership and sought to sever Lisa’s “parental” rights. Kristine contended that, under Californialaw, the only way that Lisa could ever be considered the second parent was if she had adopted the child.

Lisa countered by citing the provisions of the domestic partnership agreement. Last week, a California appeals court ruled that the issue of parentage “cannot rest simply on the parties’ agreement.”

If the court had stopped there, we might be celebrating the ruling. But, of course, it didn’t. It ruled that Lisa was entitled to rights as a “presumptive father” under California’s Family Code.

California’s Family Code says that a man is presumed to be the father of a child if “he receives the child into his home and openly holds out the child as his natural child.”

How did the court apply this to a woman? By ruling that the statute must be read in a “gender-neutral manner.” As the court acknowledged, the legislature never “expressly” contemplated such a result, but it said that it’s what “gender-neutrality” requires.

The provision, like most state provisions on the subject, incorporates the Uniform Parentage Act, or UPA. At the time of the UPA’s drafting, there were no such things as domestic unions. When the drafters used the male pronoun, they really meant “father.”

What’s more, the purpose behind the UPA was to protect the interests of children whose paternity was called into question. It was adopted in the wake of Supreme Court decisions that outlawed discrimination on the basis of illegitimacy.

The goal of enacting a uniform set of standards to determine paternity was to protect the rights of children with regards to child support, inheritance, and government benefits. It was not to sort out visitation and custody arrangements between two people who already acknowledged a parental relationship to the child.

The court’s decision in California turns this purpose on its head by making the rights of adults, not children, the primary concern of the law. In this way, it is perfectly in keeping with the Massachusetts decision that mandated same-sex “marriage.” Rather than being the means by which a society safeguards its children’s well being, marriage and family law are becoming a vehicle for adult self-fulfillment.

All of this is to the detriment of our kids. It takes the focus off the most important and vulnerable members of our society and makes their well being something we see to after the so-called “needs” of adults have been met. In other words, it turns the law and thousands of years of human history on its head.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; US: California; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: agenda; breakpoint; gay; homosexual; homosexualagenda; marriage
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1 posted on 07/12/2004 4:23:40 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback
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To: agenda_express; BA63; banjo joe; Believer 1; billbears; Blood of Tyrants; ChewedGum; ...
Anyone can be a father...even a lesbian.

BreakPoint/Chuck Colson Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my BreakPoint Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

2 posted on 07/12/2004 4:24:57 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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To: Mr. Silverback

That's just sick.


3 posted on 07/12/2004 4:33:33 PM PDT by Jaded (Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society. - Mark Twain)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Lisa is in no way, fact or fiction, the presumtive father of this child.


4 posted on 07/12/2004 4:36:05 PM PDT by freekitty
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To: Jaded

Guess you're not as jaded as you thought...:-)


5 posted on 07/12/2004 4:54:59 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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To: freekitty
Lisa is in no way, fact or fiction, the presumtive father of this child.

You have illustrated the exact problem here: About half the judges will make whatever they darn well please out of the law, rather than deciding cases. Deciding that a woman is a father...no connection to reality there, just a judge seeing a way to make the gayization of the US easier. The only part of this gay marriage debate that gives me any hope is this: It might just make people realize that our best (perhaps only) hope is to begin impeaching every activist judge we can. Just nailing a couple will put the fear of God into most of them, and those who aren't afraid will get their turn at being impeached. It is high time the judicial branch started fearing the people's power, not the other way around.

6 posted on 07/12/2004 5:00:34 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Get in the fight today: Freepmail me to get on your state's KerryTrack Ping list!)
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"Rather than being the means by which a society safeguards its children’s well being, marriage and family law are becoming a vehicle for adult self-fulfillment."

Makes sense. It's the logical extension of the reasoning that allows unborn children to be murdered with impunity.

7 posted on 07/12/2004 5:02:14 PM PDT by etcetera
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Interesting. If the law has to be read as "gender-neutral", what will that do to various laws that have traditionally limited "father's rights?"
There are probably a few men in Californica that could sue to get various divorce settlements and visitation agreements adjusted, in light of this new interpretation of the law.


8 posted on 07/12/2004 5:10:55 PM PDT by azemt (...just musing out loud...)
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To: Mr. Silverback

This is the sickest joke I've ever read. Of course, the mainstream media will never mention it.


9 posted on 07/12/2004 5:54:05 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Mr. Silverback
he receives the child into his home and openly holds out the child as his natural child.”
How did the court apply this to a woman? By ruling that the statute must be read in a “gender-neutral manner.” As the court acknowledged, the legislature never “expressly” contemplated such a result, but it said that it’s what “gender-neutrality” requires.

The ruling lays bare the heart of homosexual advocacy. The denial of linkage between sex and procreation, and the objectification of children.

10 posted on 07/12/2004 6:27:34 PM PDT by GVnana
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a California appeals court ruled that the issue of parentage “cannot rest simply on the parties’ agreement.”

HA!!!!!!!!!! What a bunch of split tongued bastards. Even when allowed within constitutional mandates the fecality of their morality finally explodes and they pick up the feces and call it "Dad". LOL!

11 posted on 07/12/2004 8:33:11 PM PDT by lockeliberty
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Homosexual Agenda Ping - I guess I'll have to bring back "The Tsunami of Sewage"(tm). This definitely qualifies. Of course, the last one did too.

This is pure, unadulterated, 200 proof, raw, unrefined, unexpurgated insanity. The kind that destroys individual lives en masse, and whole civilizations if not STOPPED AND STOPPED SOON.

They are saying that children are trash and perverts' sexual wants are worshippable. It sickens and angers me beyond words.

Let me know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


12 posted on 07/12/2004 11:38:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah ("You're possibly the most ignorant, belligerent, and loathesome poster on FR currently." - tdadams)
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To: lockeliberty; Mr. Silverback
"HA!!!!!!!!!! What a bunch of split tongued bastards."

And therein lies the main reason the problem continues.

Leslie Ellen Shear and Diane M. Goodman represented Lisa Ann R. The Presiding Justice was Joan Dempsey Klein. Yes, most people have their assumptions, and "bastards" is such a common assumption.

Here's another interesting bit of information about the case.

Legal Services for Children, National Center for Youth Law, Northern California Association of Counsel for Children, Youth Law Center and the Southern California Assisted Reproduction Attorneys (SCARA) were among the organizations that filed briefs in favor of Lisa.
13 posted on 07/13/2004 2:08:02 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: Mr. Silverback
Califonicators have decided that a lesbian is a father. facsinating.

Can we kick them out of the union? I mean like a divorce!

14 posted on 07/13/2004 2:11:56 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: lockeliberty; Mr. Silverback
a California appeals court ruled that the issue of parentage “cannot rest simply on the parties’ agreement.”

why not?? Isn't it a good idea for contracts to be enforcable? Aren't contracts the very basis of.. oh nobody cares.

15 posted on 07/13/2004 2:15:16 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: azemt
"Interesting. If the law has to be read as "gender-neutral", what will that do to various laws that have traditionally limited "father's rights?""

Traditionally, before the abuse of the British monarchy doctrine of parens patriae by earlier American feminist judicial activists, the fathers' right was not limited. Susan B. Anthony and her friends began the American feminist effort to limit that right, and family destruction progressed from there to the current effort in favor of homosexual so-called "marriage." Elizabeth Cady Stanton wrote about her efforts for no-fault divorce in her autobiography.

Many children have been alienated by the divorce industry in recent years from their fathers to be relegated to the mothers who lived with lesbians who now act as "fathers." Feminist and lawyer organizations have been the main advocates of steps toward those custody decisions.

Once the fathers' right as guardians of their children is violated by way of false accusations and general vilifications, the children soon belong to the government.
16 posted on 07/13/2004 2:24:53 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: GeronL
"Califonicators have decided that a lesbian is a father. facsinating.
Can we kick them out of the union? I mean like a divorce!
"

I don't think so--not after decades of brainwashing of the American public (and all countries of formerly western culture). According to the doctrine of romanticism, lesbians are women, therefore, they inherently possess a higher level of morality than men. Besides, lesbians are those extremely sexually attractive chicks who beat up bad guys--the leather-clad women we see so often in the movies, now, right? ...not the hawgs we see in real life in those marches. Why make them angry when a man might get a little...you know--amazonian warrior-ess trim? ...heavy bitter irony and sarcasm here on my part. Is anyone who is reading this even beginning to see how they've been duped, yet?

Compare the way Bill O'Reilly treated Dr. Stephen Baskerville (who wrote what is behind the following URL address and was treated with extreme hostility by Bill on Bill's part of Rupert Murdoch's serial polygamy advocacy news show) to the way he warmed up to Rosie O'Donnell on his show. Bill went off against Stephen to shut him up. When Rosie was on his show, he sucked up to her.

Could your kids be given to 'gay' parents?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1163579/posts

And Bill's attitude is only one example of the same attitude shown by hundreds or even thousands of public commentators over the past couple of decades.

With societal effeminacy and romanticism, we reap what we sow.
17 posted on 07/13/2004 2:43:53 AM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop

If you cannot trust a contract in this country, our entire economy could be wrecked.


18 posted on 07/13/2004 2:48:57 AM PDT by GeronL (wketchup.com)
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To: GVgirl
The ruling lays bare the heart of homosexual advocacy. The denial of linkage between sex and procreation, and the objectification of children.

Right, and also the rejection of any kind of common-sense sex role or gender distinctions: a female "father."

19 posted on 07/13/2004 4:02:27 AM PDT by Siamese Princess
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To: Mr. Silverback

Bump!


20 posted on 07/13/2004 6:07:07 AM PDT by F-117A
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