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A Retrospective Diagnosis Says Lenin Had Syphilis
The New York Times ^ | June 22, 2004 | C. J. CHIVERS

Posted on 06/22/2004 10:54:58 AM PDT by presidio9

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The body of Vladimir Lenin, who died in 1924 at age 53, is kept in a mausoleum in Moscow.

1 posted on 06/22/2004 10:55:01 AM PDT by presidio9
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Nice to know. I hope he suffered horribly.


2 posted on 06/22/2004 10:55:45 AM PDT by ICX (Makin movies, makin songs, and fightin' round the world!)
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Lenin Had Syphilis

Clinton had Hillary.

3 posted on 06/22/2004 10:56:56 AM PDT by theDentist ("John Kerry changes positions more often than a Nevada prostitute.")
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----I still like to think that the pillow Stalin may have held over his face had something to do with it, also---


4 posted on 06/22/2004 10:57:32 AM PDT by rellimpank
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Clinton had Hillary

Not fair. Syphilis can be cured.

5 posted on 06/22/2004 11:00:19 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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the victim can experience mood swings and bursts of creativity

Hmm, bursts of creativity, like writing a whopping 957-page book? Hmm, mood swings, like an outburst of anger at a reporter who asks probing questions about the book?

6 posted on 06/22/2004 11:01:12 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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They ask a question of enduring importance to civic life. Do modern societies know enough about the health of their political leaders? In Lenin's case, they strive to show, the answer is a resounding no.

How about those X-42 medical records?

7 posted on 06/22/2004 11:02:59 AM PDT by glock rocks (I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, there's no way you can prove anything.)
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Not fair. Syphilis can be cured.

Too true.

Demons are immortal.

8 posted on 06/22/2004 11:05:08 AM PDT by reformed_democrat
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How would Lenin get syphilis? The man was a monk, totally celibate, he had no other interests in his life EXCEPT the Socialist Revolution. He simply nad no time.

Unless he was deliberately infected by already-diseased associates, at the time, as a young man, he was forced to convert to Socialism.


9 posted on 06/22/2004 11:06:08 AM PDT by alloysteel (Opinionated bigotry - not just a tag line, a way of life.)
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He lived a life that was full of hate; believe it or not, the Ulyanov family (his before the idiotic name change) was the wealthiest in Simbirsk, where his father was an educator and a large landowner. One of "Vladimir the Great Humanitarian's" first acts out of law school was to evict a peasant family from the family properties that hadn't paid the rent. HIs career went downhill from there, associating with lowlife trash the likes of Stalin, Leon Trotsky and Jacob Sverdlov. He became a thoroughly bad man, who created the blueprint for the second largest mass murder of the 20th century (after Mao's China). His corpse still lies in Red Square, but without the honor guard and with primarily western gawker tourists passing through the bizarre stone sarcophogous in which the little plastic body lies. This and syphillis constitute a fitting "tribute" to an intelligent man who hurt so many people.


10 posted on 06/22/2004 11:16:18 AM PDT by laconic
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Not long after the socialists' victory, the authors write, the illness strengthened its grip..

It must have been the stress.

11 posted on 06/22/2004 11:24:00 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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STD ping.


12 posted on 06/22/2004 12:04:00 PM PDT by Born Conservative ("Nothing wrong with shooting as long as the right people get shot" - Dirty Harry)
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Syphilis was incurable until the discovery of modern antibiotics. When an important leader or thinker suffered from this disease, it could lead to seriously bad consequences. Lenin was naturally vicious and cruel, I think, but no doubt Syphilis made him worse.

Nietzsche, who originated many of the ideas that led to 20th-century totalitarianism and postmodernist nihilism, was also a victim of the disease. It has been speculated that Henry VIII probably was, too. He certainly showed the characteristic behavior patterns.


13 posted on 06/22/2004 12:15:56 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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"A Retrospective Diagnosis Says Lenin Had Syphilis"

Good.


14 posted on 06/22/2004 12:17:29 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: Born Conservative; fourdeuce82d; El Gato; JudyB1938; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Robert A. Cook, PE; ...

I was just about to post the article. If true, it could hardly have happened to a nicer guy.


15 posted on 06/22/2004 12:19:36 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi min oi)
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Not fair. Syphilis can be cured.

But he had it before penicillin was invented. So it couldn't be cured.

Ever see the bones of someone from back then who died of syphillis? Eaten away, all these wormhole looking craters, so not pretty. Trust me, he suffered badly. Now we know why he was so totally insane. It eats away at the brain the way it does the bone.

I do wonder if the Russian people back then had known he had it, if they still would have followed his doctrines.

16 posted on 06/22/2004 12:22:05 PM PDT by DelurkingFreeper
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To: alloysteel
How would Lenin get syphilis? The man was a monk, totally celibate, he had no other interests in his life EXCEPT the Socialist Revolution. He simply nad no time.

At least, that was according to his press agent. Most people got it back then from hookers. I'm sure the man had his share of those. Gotta do something for release while writing a manifesto.

19 posted on 06/22/2004 12:25:25 PM PDT by DelurkingFreeper
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His corpse still lies in Red Square, but without the honor guard and with primarily western gawker tourists passing through the bizarre stone sarcophogous ..

Not to mention that in order to view the remains (now re-re-re-embalmed to the point of plastic)one must traverse a narrow,tiny stepped, steep stair case dotted with seemingly random mini-landing to throw one's walking/stepping rhythm out of whack. The stair case arcs up and then down forming a sort of up-side down U. And everywhere around the arc are guards hissing at you to, "Hurry up! and "Keep moving!" Obviously there's not a whole lot of opportunity to get a good look at the subject....and obviously it was designed that way.

20 posted on 06/22/2004 2:31:20 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter & a sense that the world was mad.")
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