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LIVE THREAD: Bill Clinton's 60 Minutes' Interview
www.freerepublic.com | June 20, 2004

Posted on 06/20/2004 3:21:27 PM PDT by Howlin

CBS at 7:00 P.M. EDT


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 60minutes; beelzebubbah; clinton; couch; danrather; impeachedrapist; liar; malignantnarcissist; mylies; mylife; slickwillie
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To: Howlin
I just caught the end of the 60 Minutes/Bill Clinton book promotion. So I didn't see the whole thing.

Was Hillary Rodham on with Bill Clinton? She is his wife. If she was not on why not? Didn't she have anything to do with his "life" he wrote and wrote and wrote about?

Oh, did anyone else notice the first commercial they had on after the end of the "book promo" was for some male erection enhancement drug. Lavitra? Seems fitting, eh?

401 posted on 06/20/2004 4:52:40 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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To: Howlin

Mr. Clinton, do you realize you have about this much
credibility with the American people?


402 posted on 06/20/2004 4:53:06 PM PDT by McGruff
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To: McGruff

So many people have spoken out about Clinton's use of pot and cocaine while governor (and there is evidence he used as president) yet Rather kids him about the "I didn't inhale" comment.


403 posted on 06/20/2004 4:53:10 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: Senator Pardek

So why was Clinton so mad at the guy asking the questions?


404 posted on 06/20/2004 4:53:19 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Guenevere; pittsburgh gop guy
Psychopath and Sociopath are interchangeable:

Definitions of Psychopath (or sociopath) on the Web:

A person who willfully does damage without remorse. "Such individuals are insensitive to other's needs, and unable to anticipate the consequences of their behavior... characterized by absence of guilt and anxiety normally accompanying an antisocial act." New Columbia Encyclopedia 4th edition, 1975
www.1hope.org/glossary.htm

 

A person with a mental disease, usually characterized by a mental or emotional instability, due to a defect in character or personality, that approaches but falls short of insanity.
https://www.mises.org/easier/P.asp

 

someone with a sociopathic personality; a person with an antisocial personality disorder (`psychopath' was once widely used but has now been superseded by `sociopath')
www.cogsci.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/webwn

I actuall think he is a Psychotic, defined as someone who suffers from a psychosis:

Psychosis:  Losing Touch With Reality

psychosisnoun;

a state of mind in which the person has lost touch with reality.

psychoticadjective; term indicating gross impairment in recognizing reality.  The term may be used to describe a person's behavior at a given time or a mental disorder in which the person has lost touch with reality.  The most prominent psychotic symptoms are delusions and hallucinations.

paranoidadjective; definition #1 - extremely suspicious, feeling persecuted by others, but not necessarily psychotic; definition #2 - delusional, regardless of whether the delusions are about persecution or not.  Although the public at large generally means definition #1 when using the word and psychologists used that same definition when naming paranoid personality disorder, we typically refer to the second definition when discussing psychosis.
 

The Major Psychotic Symptoms

hallucination:  a perception without real sensory input or gross distortion of sensory input.  This could involve any of the senses, even the sense of balance.  You know that sudden jerking or falling sensation you get at the edge of sleep?  That's a hallucination produced by a brain in the process of falling asleep.  Because we all hallucinate occasionally, that is normal, non-psychotic.  Hallucinating far more than other individuals or being unable to recognize that the hallucination is not real may mean the person is in a psychotic state.  Of all the senses, the one most likely to hallucinate is the auditory sense -- e.g., "hearing voices."

delusionidiosyncratic belief that is out of touch with reality, resistant to logic and evidence that would contradict the delusion; not part of a cultural belief system.

Major types of delusions:

erotomanic - delusion that the individual has sexual or romantic relationship with someone else when this is definitely not true.

grandiose - drastically exaggerated sense of self-importance; may have religious, somatic, or other theme; also known as delusions of grandeur.  The grandiose individual might believe there is something incredibly important about him/herself (e.g., only his or her fingernail clippings can repel the Martian invasion) or that he or she is someone very important (e.g., the secret heir to the throne of England; the President's long lost sister; or a religious figure like Christ or Buddha).

jealous - insanely jealous; so convinced that one's sexual or romantic partner is unfaithful that the jealous individual is out of touch with reality.  This goes far beyond just being unfairly suspicious of one's partner.

persecutory - delusion in which the central theme is that a person or group is attacking, harassing, cheating, persecuting, conspiring against, or maliciously manipulating the individual.  They're certain people are out to get them.  Although some people will call this a paranoid delusion, most professionals avoid that term because the word paranoid has several different meanings in psychology, which creates confusion over the term.

somatic - from the root soma, which means "body;" delusion whose main content refers to the structure or function of one's own body.  Examples include thinking that one's body is rotting, that one is pregnant despite being postmenopausal, that one has a third arm, that one's nose is shaped like Alaska despite lack of confirmation of this by observers.  This is not just a misinterpretation of reality, like when individuals with anorexia, bulimia, or body dysmorphic disorder have a distorted body image.  It's one thing to overestimate the thickness of your body by, say, 15% as an anorexic might; that's distorted but not psychotic.  Overestimating the thickness of your body by 150%, however, would be completely out of touch.

atypical - any delusion that does not clearly fit into one of the five listed above; even less common.

Some of the atypical types of delusions:

control - feelings, thoughts, or actions are considered imposed by some external force or being that sometimes take control of the person, but without malevolent intent by the controlling agency.

nihilistic - from nihil, meaning "nothing" or "nothingness;" delusion involving the theme of non-existence of oneself, others, or the world; e.g, believing, "I don't exist."  Believing that part of one's body does not exist would primarily be considered a somatic delusion.

poverty- patently false belief that the person is bereft of most or all worldly possessions.

reference - believing that someone or something refers to the individual.  For example, the author of this page once met a woman, now deceased, who believed people on TV talked about her.


General Types of Psychotic Symptoms

psychotic communication:  bizarre speech characteristics.

poverty of speech - abnormally low or absent amount of spontaneous speech.

derailment (or loosening of associations) - speech pattern in which the person's ideas slip too rapidly from one unrelated topic to another.  An occasional change of topic without warning or obvious connection is not the same thing as this.

echolalia - parrot-like and senseless repetition (echoing) of a word or phrase someone else has just uttered.

incoherent speech - speech that cannot be understood; completely incomprehensible to listeners but not due to direct physiological causes (such as mouth injury).

word salad - type of incoherent speech in which individual words or phrases may be understandable but are spoken in a combination that makes no sense whatsoever.  Example:  "Hope it hang gone heart disease up the oak nothing never got those aren't the ones robber that."

neologisms - literally meaning "new words," words the psychotic individual might make up regardless of the fact that other people don't know the meaning of these idiosyncratic words.  The psychotic individual is unlikely even to think about the fact that others don't know these words.

clanging - words strung together more to produce sounds the individual likes than to convey actual meaning.  Some schizophrenic individuals like to use unnecessary, perhaps meaningless, rhyme.

psychotic cognitions:  grossly distorted forms of thinking, attention, and other mental activity; such as delusions.  Other bizarre cognitions include these:

incoherent thinking - disturbance of thought in which thoughts lack comprehensible content, even within the person's own head.

poverty of thought - lack of thinking.

psychotic actions:  abnormal motor behavior, observable actions that are bizarre, and not simply because the person is deliberately seeking attention or doing these things for non-bizarre reasons (like accepting a dare).  Examples include the following:

psychomotor agitation - excessive motor activity associated with feelings of inner tension; nonproductive, repetitive, perhaps ritualistic actions.

catalepsy (waxy flexibility) - statue-like maintenance of a rigid position over time.  Other people can often move the limbs of cataleptic individuals into other positions as though they were mannequins or live Gumby dolls.

catatonia - motor immobility manifested by withdrawal from the external world, commonly with stupor, catalepsy, and mutism.  Instead of the waxy flexibility that many catatonic individuals show, some become rigid and immovable.  If the catatonic individual responds to others at all, in many cases it is to resist all instructions and perhaps even do the opposite of what they're directed to do -- known as catatonic negativity.

echopraxia - repeating someone else's movements.

stereotyped movements - repetitive but purposeless motor behavior such as banging one's head, rocking the body, twitching the hand, flapping the arms, walking in circles, etc.

psychotic affect:  grossly distorted symptoms of emotions and emotional expression.  Disturbances in affect include the following:

blunted affect - abnormally reduced emotional expression.

flat affect - absence of emotional expression.

inappropriate affect - emotional expression is strangely inconsistent with the situation or with the emotions indicated by the individual's speech and other behavior.

restricted (or constricted) affect - mildly reduced range and intensity of affective expression.

psychotic motivational symptoms - grossly abnormal patterns of motivation, such as:

avolition - lack of volition; inability to initiate and persist in goal-directed activities.

 

Dimensions of Psychotic Symptoms

         When an individual is in a psychotic symptoms, the professional evaluates the symptoms to determine where they fall in specific dimensions, ranges of particular features.

positive-negative:  This is not positive and negative in the sense of good and bad.  It's positive and negative in the sense of math.  Something is either added to or taken away from one's behavior.

With positive symptomology, bizarre things have been added to the person's behavior, whether that means bizarre speech, weird mannerisms, barking at doorknobs, bizarre ideas.  The symptoms are active; the person is doing something.

With negative symptomology, something is missing from the person's behavior.  That might mean the person doesn't not speak much or never speaks coherently.  The person might like in a catatonic state without moving, or fail to react to stimuli that should produce responses.

There is more hope for the person with positive symptoms to get better.  When the person is at least doing something, even if it is seriously bizarre, at least there is something to work with.  The therapist can, for example, reinforce the client when he or she is acting less strange than usual.  However, the therapist cannot shape the client's behavior if there is no behavior to work with.  Furthermore, the therapist will have greater difficulty figuring out what is going on inside the client's head if the client does not engage in any actions that might offer clues.

paranoid-nonparanoid:  This simply notes whether the person is delusional or not, and has nothing to do with how suspicious they are of others.  If the symptoms include delusions, the person has paranoid symptomology.  If the person has psychotic symptoms that do not include delusions, he or she has nonparanoid symptomology.

405 posted on 06/20/2004 4:53:23 PM PDT by Phsstpok (often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: NavySEAL F-16

I was thinking the same thing.

This interview couldn't have been more fluff if Bawawa Walters had done it.


406 posted on 06/20/2004 4:53:32 PM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: isthisnickcool

It's not over yet...


407 posted on 06/20/2004 4:53:36 PM PDT by NautiNurse (Missing Iraqi botulinum toxin? Look at John Kerry's face)
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To: McGruff

Now McGruff. Don't you think you were a little McRough on the former President. :)

And if he says he never inhaled, then we have to believe him. Right? :) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I can't catch my breath. Help, please.


408 posted on 06/20/2004 4:53:39 PM PDT by writer33 (The U.S. Constitution defines a Conservative)
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To: Guenevere
They are the same, at least according to our friends at Merriam Webster OnLine:

psy·cho·path
Pronunciation: 'sI-k&-"path
Function: noun
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
: a mentally ill or unstable person; especially : a person having a psychopathic personality

1psy·cho·path·ic
Pronunciation: "sI-k&-'pa-thik
Function: adjective
: of, relating to, or characterized by psychopathy

psy·chop·a·thy
Pronunciation: sI-'kä-p&-thE
Function: noun
Etymology: International Scientific Vocabulary
: mental disorder; especially : extreme mental disorder marked usually by egocentric and antisocial activity

so·cio·path
Pronunciation: 'sO-sE-&-"path, 'sO-sh(E-)&-
Function: noun
: PSYCHOPATH

409 posted on 06/20/2004 4:53:45 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: Howlin

Well, thanks to all who took the time to watch, and have thereby saved me from having to do so. I will now go back to cleaning my basement.


410 posted on 06/20/2004 4:54:06 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: CasearianDaoist
They are the quintessential first wave Baby Boomers. Hayden, Fonda, Kerry, Rodham,


411 posted on 06/20/2004 4:54:11 PM PDT by Helms (Terrorize then Memorize ( the Koran) , and Get Out of Jail Free)
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To: NautiNurse

Ah, the trailer house presidential library - what, no Monica under the desk, Bill?


412 posted on 06/20/2004 4:54:29 PM PDT by Endeavor
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To: Helms

indeed, find and post a shot of charles manson's eyes.


413 posted on 06/20/2004 4:54:37 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: NautiNurse

I either called them slick and slime or the grifters.


414 posted on 06/20/2004 4:54:52 PM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: Miss Marple

Oh, you're going to love this, they take a tour of the clinton LIEbrary/construction site.


415 posted on 06/20/2004 4:54:54 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: Phsstpok

You beat me to it, by a few seconds, and went much more in depth....


416 posted on 06/20/2004 4:55:02 PM PDT by pittsburgh gop guy
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To: NautiNurse
It's not over yet...

Oh, sorry. In more ways than one.

Oh, they are showing the double wide library. What an ugly building.

417 posted on 06/20/2004 4:55:07 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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To: Howlin

I'm about the same age too -- more useful to adopt the distinction (Tyrrell's) between the coat-and-tie radicals, who protested Vietnam, etc., etc. but not to the extent it would ruin their "political viability", and (I think) the penny-loafer conservatives; he sees these battle lines drawn in the 60s, 70s as continuing -- and strengthening into the present.


418 posted on 06/20/2004 4:55:09 PM PDT by maryz
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To: NavySEAL F-16

Actually, it reaffirms what we already knew about them. Just like showing him that video of his mother with that extreme close up just now. They knew he couldn't pass up an opportunity to tear up, bite that lip and lie again. Notice, that is the only time they've zoomed in that close.


419 posted on 06/20/2004 4:55:13 PM PDT by Darlin' ("I will not forget this wound to my country." President George W Bush, 20 Sept 2001)
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To: Miss Marple
I will now go back to cleaning my basement.

My thanks as well.

I need to get the cats out of the dryer.

420 posted on 06/20/2004 4:55:32 PM PDT by don-o (Stop Freeploading. Do the right thing and sign up for a monthly donation.)
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