Posted on 06/07/2004 12:29:42 AM PDT by Nennsy
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And I'm reminded of the suggestion by one of our chief Islamonazi posters calling for the Serb Republic in Bosnia to be "squashed like a bug," knowing full well that would mean the deaths of thousands, if not tens of thousands, of civilians.
Thanks for posting this Nennsy! It's good to read about some of the stuff that had been going on "behind the scene" of the Yugoslavian breakup. There are many people that have either conveniently forgotten about this or never knew about it. People need to be reminded and informed. I for one will never forget that riduculous song the Croatians played after Germany gave them recognition as an independent state: "Danke Deutschland".
thanks very illuminating and helps explain why the Germans are not helping us in I-raq
Thank you for the ping. This story sadden me so much as an illustration of abuse of power, and complete disregards to the international laws. If the Serbs were Moslems, they would be blowing car bombs all over in frustration!
Sorry for the late ping. I read it earlier today using my work laptop, which doesn't have the ping list.
longjack
Thanks, read it later.
Thanks for the ping longjack
bump and thanks!
I think you're touching on a very profound reason as to why the Serbs were painted as the "bad guys" in Bosnia and Kosovo. The US knew it needed military bases in the Balkans because the need for them in Germany was coming to a close and Europe was about to make a great economic leap via the Maastricht Treaty. I think we (the US) may have been on the verge of being practiclly thrown out of Europe right after the Wall fell and Germany was reunited. No more Cold war. No more need for NATO which meant no more need for the US to baby sit Europe.
Then all hell broke loose as Yugoslavia followed what a believe was a natural course of events following the fall of the Berlin Wall, and disintegrated. As I watched the Wall come down I knew there was probably gonna be a big ugly war in Yugoslavia as a result. I'm sure others must have thought this too.
All the different ethnic groups love to point fingers at each other and claim, "HE STARTED IT!!" The truth of the matter is, nobody started it. With the fall of the Iron Curtain, many tribes of people in Europe began to reach back for their roots in a collective crisis of identity and drag up it's old skeletons. The tribes of the Balkans have truck loads of old skeletons. Their national identities are often built on these truckloads.
Sure it's possible that bloodshed could have been avoided, but I find it highly improbable. For the avoidance of bloodshed in the Balkans to not have happened, there would have had to have been completely different leadership at the helm of each ethnic group. I believe neither Milosevic, nor Tudjman, nor Itzebegovic are worth the powder it would take to blow them all to hell when it comes to diplomacy.
This isn't to say that the ugliness that ensued was all their fault either. They truly did have to navigate and respect the mythology behind of their respective tribes in order to maintain the helm. It's unfortunate but true that each tribe was searching for its identity and coming up with some pretty ugly images and ideas about the tribes next door to them. It's built into their ethos and cannot be wished or willed away overnight.
Germany was way ahead of the curve when it came to the break-up of Yugoslavia. It was in on the ground floor as Croatia began making rumblings of independence. When the US finally realised that Germany was making a power grab for influence on the Adriatic, the US scrambled to catch up. One of the choices was the Bosnian Muslims the other was the Serbs. While the Serbs look on the surface to be the logical choice of the two to many of us, the Serbs didn't have Saudi Arabia (a very good friend to the US and a very instrumental ally in the Middle East) backing it in its corner.
What could possibly happen if the Serbs were sacrificed? It's not as though Serbia had a huge and influential lobby in Washington and it's not as though the Serbs had spent huge piles of money hiring the PR companies of Ruder & Finn and Hill and Knowlton. What would the Serbs do? Well, they could resist and their history says that they will probably stand up to the most powerful militaries in the world if they believe in their cause. How much could Serbian resistance hurt? Well, it make for some really bloody wars, but in the end the will have to scream, "UNCLE!!" because every country eventually does. Economic stragulation is the ace in the hole. Not much of a problem there. Will they resort to the same terror tactics against American institutions much the same as Muslims do when they feel threatened by US policies? Probably not and they haven't nor do I ever expect them to. It's not part of their ethos.
Contrary to what most Serbophobes would want anyone to believe, killing innocent women and children of any ethnicity or tribe is not part of any solution. Sure the Serbs have their nutcases just like anybody else, but they're not even close to the majority or is their opinion even given the smallest amount of merit.
That leaves the Bosnian Muslims. Here's the perfect choice for an ally. Their military is super weak. Although there is some Moslem extremists amongst their ranks, they're still very Western thinking and could be easily influenced. Perfect. Now Germany isn't hording all the influence in the Balkans. The US can once again assure a very strategic presence in Europe with one eye on the Middle East and one eye on Russia, and we've made allies with one of the Muslims countries in the Balkans while stregthing our relationship with Saudi Arabia. Sure there's gonna be Muslim extremists from the Middle East making jaunts to Bosnia and points beyond, but they were going to do that and are going to continue to do that whether the US is an ally of the Bosnian Muslims or not. Might as well ally ourselves with the Bosnian Muslims at least so we can keep a closer eye on who is coming or going. If the Bosnian Muslims are even hosting the US presence it's all the better. They won't be blowing up our embassies and neither will the Serbs.
Then the US finds out about the KLA working closely with Germany. Whoops. Time to play catch-up again. Roll out the red carpet for the KLA...
In the fall of 1994 a Serbian priest told me that what the US was doing with its influence in the Balkans was as good thing. He thought it was a very good thing for the US. He also said it's a shame that it's such a bad thing for the Serbs.
I have been hearing about that before Tito died. All the filthy hands were waiting to play the religion game with this country. The filthy hands know of the historical hate between the three factions, Catholics, Orthodox, and Moslems, and were too anxious to ignite that flame again. Iran/Saudi Arabia/US on one side; the Vatican/Germany on another side; then the poor bastards the Serbs getting token support from weakened Russia.
In my mind, I did not think that the West gives a shit about religion anymore to help ignite this one. However, I think it was perhaps the Islamic fanatics who were in bed with the US who may ignite the first match. The Moslem SOBs were always dreaming about getting a foothold in Europe again to spread their filthy religion. Low, and behold, the USA under stupid leadership, provides the protection for the Islamic expansion scheme to be realized. The anti-Christian cabal in the US intelligentsia pulled a fast one, and the stupid Joe-Six-Packs did not even feel it up their butt.
It blows my mind how our leadership who were told of the Islamic history, and Islamic vision of converting the whole world to Islam would work with the Moslem fanatics to help them f--k us! We installed barricade around Yugoslavia to prevent arms from reaching the Serbs, but looked the other way as Iranian ships loaded with arms delivered its loads (of arms, and jihadists) to the Bosnian Moslems. If you ask me, I would say such leadership should be tried and executed for treason. You know, I was not at the war front, but I read about the US allowing the Iranians to deliver weapons against the UN blockade. My problem is basically, when our papers were talking about the US circumventing the UN blockade on the side of Iran, they did not have a tone of INDIGNATION so that the STUPID JOE-SIX-PACK would understand to be “upset about such action”! You know, when you deal with stupid people; you have to tell them: this is funny, now clap! This is bad, now be mad!!
Then the US finds out about the KLA working closely with Germany. Whoops. Time to play catch-up again. Roll out the red carpet for the KLA...
Considering that Germany, well before the second world war has had a very close relationship with the Arab world due to the common hatred for the jews, supports your analysis Mr. Lawn. If you run on the Internet the quot; "Crescent and the Swastika"; this will explain what I mean. When this article mentioned the Muslim SS unit deployed in Yugoslavia during WWII this really emphasized the strength of this nexus that exists between the Germans and the Muslim world and apparently even today. It was evident even after the war had ended when certain Muslims were protected by the underground ODESSA organization. The Syrian SSNP party was based on the Nazi model for example. When one wonders why things are the way they are today the past will always give you hints. Again a great post.
Bumping this to the top of *balkans
Wow, gettoffmylawn. That's a masterpiece. I'm speechless (at least for now -- grin).
I am bookmarking this one!
And STILL I will never understand why we are where we are now. God Bless the Serbian people. Was just talking about them with our Matushka and how they have suffered. It is almost too much to imagine.
Ping to Kosta...
The Berlin-Baghdad Arrow idea is not dead. I believe it's simply been altered to the Balkan-Baghdad Arrow. I suppose we should be happy that the US is winning and Germany is being kept in check. The story continues...
BTW, I just read the article that heads this thread (finally). It's really not too bad. I wrote my original post prior to even reading it.
The role of the Maastricht Treaty was just touched on by post. I don't know if you've ever read it, but "The New Yorker" wrote a fantastic piece called "Genscher's War" many many years ago that did a great job of documenting Germany's economic push in the disintegration of Yugoslavia. It's a must read.
That which does not kill us makes us stronger. If it helps, you can take solace in that.
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