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Al Qaeda Takes Responsibility for Downing Flight AA-587
Northeast Intelligence Network ^ | Jun 3,2004

Posted on 06/03/2004 4:19:13 AM PDT by NetValue

28 May 2004 - Al Qaeda lists successes since 9/11 on Global Islamic Media; Includes 2001 downing of American Airlines flight 587 that went down over Queens

In a stunning revelation to the Global Islamic Media Group this morning, Al Qaeda has revealed that they were responsible for the downing of American Airlines flight 587 over Queens in November 2001.

The article, published this morning on Global Islamic Media's Yahoogroup, lists the successes that Al Qaeda has achieved since the attack on America in September 2001. Al Qaeda has previously claimed credit for all of the other attacks on the list. The cause of the AA flight 587 crash is still listed by the FAA as accidental, with no indications of terrorism.

The following list itemizes the attacks that they are claiming:

Downing of the American Airlines plane over the Queens district of New York (City) on the 26th day of Shaban in the (Islamic) year 1422, equivalent to November 12th, 2001, killing 265 passengers as well as residents of that district. Bali nightclub attack in Indonesia that killed more than 200. Attack on Djerba, Tunisia Jewish temple, killing 20 German Jews. Attack at Faylakah in Kuwait. Attack on the French tanker Limburgh in Yemen. Attacks on Mombasa in Kenya against Jewish tourists, who were attacked in the their hotel, and the unsuccessful attack on the El Al airline with two missiles. Attack on the Marriott Hotel in the Indonesian capital Attacks in eastern of Riyadh, on residential districts where Americans and other westerners live Electrical power blockouts in the northern portions of America and the southern areas of Canada Electrical power blackouts in Great Britain. Attacks in Istanbul against the Jewish synagogues. Attachs in Istanbul battles against the British bank and the British consulate, in which the British consul was killed. Battle of Badr Riyadh in the residential complex Attack on the United Nations building in Baghdad in which Sirgo Des Milo, Kofi Annan's envoy, was killed Attacks in Nasserya against the Italian forces Attacks in Casablanca Attempted assassination of a dangerous ally of America, Pervez Musharraf Attacks in Madrid against three trains, killing 200 and injuring more than 1500 injured,

(Excerpt) Read more at homelandsecurityus.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aaabaloney; aaflight587; alqaeda; alqaedawouldneverlie; neidiotnetwork; tenet; terrorism
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To: samtheman

You forgot about the Mujahadeen pretzel that President Bush chocked on!


41 posted on 06/03/2004 5:14:13 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Poohbah

LOL!


42 posted on 06/03/2004 5:15:03 AM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: samtheman; NetValue
Other events Al Qaeda is planning to take credit for:
1. Coordinating the attack on Pearl Harbor.
2. Setting the Reichstag fire.
3. Positioning the iceberg that sunk the Titanic.

Don't forget Jimmy Hoffa...Breaking News right now... :-)

43 posted on 06/03/2004 5:15:32 AM PDT by NewLand (John Kerry is to Defense what Janet Reno is to Law...)
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To: The Bandit
How is it someone could take the tail section cleanly off without leaving any blast damage?

Perhaps, by removing/weakening the retaining bolts? The whole underlying issue here was how unsecure our airport facilities really were. Does anyone know if we have an official explanation for the lost of AA-587, or is the investigation still pending?
44 posted on 06/03/2004 5:15:36 AM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: NetValue

Thanks to the Al Qaeda publicists no future plane crashes will ever result from mechanical problems.


45 posted on 06/03/2004 5:16:51 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: HighWheeler
No shocker there. The plane separated both engines and the tail during takeoff. The Feds stated it was due to turbulence from the flight that left 2:45 minutes ahead of it. First of all the turbulence after 2:45 minutes would be negligable. Secondly, separating both engines and the tail would not be a primary failure mode for a plane subject to turbulence.

No, the "Feds" did not say it was wake turbulence. What they said is that when the aircraft encountered wake turbulence, the First Officer at the controls, incorrectly implimented violent hard rudder movements - side to side rapidly. American Airlines had been teaching this to their pilots and has since stopped because the NTSB, FAA and safety experts told them it was ridiculous in large aircraft to do. As for 2.75 minutes - the time between a "heavy" and any aircraft following is considered 5 minutes. The wake of a heavy falls at 500 feet per minute. That means that 1,500 feet below the path on a calm day within 3 minutes of a heavy is a dangerous place to be - BUT it was not wake that did it - it was the REPONSE to the wake.

I am an airline pilot and an instructor. The FAA came by our training centers after the accident to make sure we weren't teaching such silly wake escape manuevers to our pilots (we weren't - we were taught that moving a 30 foot tall rudder with 3,000 psi should be done SLOWLY).
46 posted on 06/03/2004 5:17:01 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: KangarooJacqui

"froggy garbage (the Airbus)"

Psst.. it's an international project. Would you believe that Airbus are being built in the US?


47 posted on 06/03/2004 5:17:36 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: OXENinFLA

Why haven't they named their martyr?


48 posted on 06/03/2004 5:19:01 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: HighWheeler
Also note that not a single 747 worldwide was grounded or inspected for the possibility of an exploding center tank.

Actually, that is not true. An "Airworthiness Directive" went out to all operators of the B747 and they WERE grounded if they did not comply. In addition, other Boeing operators (737, 727) were issued with an AD, and they also had to comply or the aircraft was grounded.

That does not mean I agree with the NTSB - I am just saying that they activity in the aviation world did in fact follow through as if THEY believed that had the cause.
49 posted on 06/03/2004 5:20:15 AM PDT by safisoft
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To: TomGuy
"Some say Reid's shoes didn't have enough explosive to do any serious damage. Others contradict that.
From:http://www.aviationpics.de/test/test.htm:

This is what about 200 grams of Semtex will do to a pressurized (9 PSI to simulate 30000 Ft) 747. 200 grams is about 7 ounces.

Quick Time Movie 750k 19 Sec

50 posted on 06/03/2004 5:22:45 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Tommyjo

There is more to that pretzel incident than we may ever know.


51 posted on 06/03/2004 5:23:18 AM PDT by TomGuy (Clintonites have such good hind-sight because they had their heads up their hind-ends 8 years.)
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To: The Bandit; backhoe

I was in this debate.

I used to do destuctive testing at KAMAN on Helicopters, airframes and blades

From the pictures I saw, theris NO WAY fatigue took that tail off.

AND, if it WAS fatigue, then all AIRBUS aircraft woud have been GROUNDED immediately

Only they weren't, were they?


52 posted on 06/03/2004 5:24:51 AM PDT by RaceBannon (VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
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To: Tommyjo
Why haven't they named their martyr?

Good question.....maybe even they don't know who did it.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/keyword/flight587

54 posted on 06/03/2004 5:26:16 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: Rebelbase
Yes they were inspected and modifications put into force:

Link

"Yesterday's action incorporates several recent recommendations Boeing sent out to airlines operating 747s. Under Boeing's voluntary program, 250 aircraft have been inspected "with no significant problems found," said Boeing spokeswoman Kirsti Dunn.

Although the proposed rule requires only a one-time inspection, McSweeny said the agency plans to eventually require repeat inspections of the center fuel tank components. Currently, the inside of the tank is not part of aircraft-maintenance programs.

"We do not believe one time is enough," McSweeny said of the inspections.

The rules proposed yesterday would also require that a flame arrester -- a series of screens that could snuff out a spark -- be installed on a pipe leading to the scavenge pump, which removes residual fuel, in the center tank. McSweeny said the FAA believes it's possible for components of the pump to separate and cause a spark.

The FAA also is preparing to issue directives that would require airlines to separate fuel-measuring system wires outside the tank from other high-voltage wires. "We are working on a final action," McSweeny said. ....

55 posted on 06/03/2004 5:28:19 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Rebelbase

So are they trying to say that plane wouldn't be able to fly after that???? < /sarcasm>


56 posted on 06/03/2004 5:29:40 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: kdot
"What did Bush know and when did he know it?"

I have a clear memory of newly appointed Tom Ridge warning everybody in the ten-fourteen days prior to this that something big is going to happen. As soon as it did they claimed it was an accident, giving a bunch of reasons including wind shear from another plane. All the reasons were contradicted by eyewitness testimony from retired NYFD people who live in Belle Harbor that a local news team who arrived at the site almost immediately broadcast live, while the efforts to put out the fires were still on-going.

57 posted on 06/03/2004 5:36:16 AM PDT by wtc911 (keep one eye on that candle....)
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To: OXENinFLA

I think there would be a few small control problems.


58 posted on 06/03/2004 5:37:01 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: wtc911

I don't claim to know whether the below is true or not, but it reminds me of the cavalier dismissal of missile reports for the crash of TWA 800.

From Newsmax Dec 3, 2001:

"Two eyewitnesses to the Nov. 12 crash of American Airlines Flight 587 said over the weekend that investigators for the National Transportation Safety Board are wrong to focus on potential structural defects as the cause of the disaster - insisting instead that the plane's tail came off over New York's Jamaica Bay only after it exploded in a fireball. "It was after the explosion," eyewitness Tom Lynch, a retired firefighter, told the New York Post. "I'm telling you, the tail was there until the second explosion." "No tail fell off, not before the explosion. I swear to that," Lynch told the paper's Steve Dunleavy.

The eyewitness said there was absolutely no doubt about what he saw. "I had my head up taking in that beautiful, clear day and was staring straight at the plane. It made a bank turn and suddenly there was an explosion, orange and black, on the right-hand side of the fuselage. It was a small explosion, about half the size of a car." He continued: "The plane kept on going straight for about two or three seconds as if nothing had happened, then vwoof' - the second, big explosion on the right wing, orange and black. It was only then that the plane fell apart. It was after the explosion and I'm telling you, the tail was there until the second explosion."

Lynch, who lives near the Belle Harbor, N.Y., crash site, said he knew 13 others who also saw the explosion and/or fire. One, retired police lieutenant Jim Conrad, told Dunleavy: "I saw exactly what Tom saw. I was near a stoplight at the Marine Parkway Bridge. First, the small explosion. The plane kept on going, tail intact, then the big explosion and the plane nose-dived. The first thing I said was, 'The bastards did it again.'" Lynch said he's tried to contact the FBI and the NTSB but they weren't interested in his story. Ditto Sens. Chuck Schumer, Hillary Clinton and his congressional representative, Anthony Weiner, who also gave him the brush-off.

"I got no response from anyone," he said. Last week NewsMax.com asked New York state's newly appointed public security czar, James Kallstrom, why a traffic surveillance video that reportedly captured Flight 587's midair breakup has not been publicly released. "I have not seen the tape. I heard some mention of it. But I've not seen the tape and I really have no knowledge of it," Kallstrom said. "Why it hasn't been released, I suspect, is because the investigation is ongoing. But I don't know the answer to that."

Witness Richard Kvies and a friend were sitting in Howard beach near the airport having a coffee outside while waiting to watch the Concorde take off. They were looking to the south and the airplane was traveling from Kvies's left to his right (east to west) and clilmbing slightly. He observed the aircraft for about thirty seconds. A bright yellow flash of light, very much like a camera flash, appeared where the right wing met the fuselage.

The size of the flash was approximately the width of the fuselage from top to bottom. The plane stopped its forward and upward progress and descended vertically while maintaining its same attitude. A stream of white smoke rose vertically as it fell from the location where the flash had appeared. Richard is a special forces Vietnam veteran and a retired N.Y. City police officer. Richard expressed the view that it looked like some type of armament hit the aircraft. Kieves was one of the callers to 911 to report the crash."


59 posted on 06/03/2004 5:46:01 AM PDT by guitfiddlist
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To: Rebelbase
I think there would be a few small control problems.

Yeah, Like gravity.

60 posted on 06/03/2004 5:47:00 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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