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LIVE THREAD: Bush's Speech on Iraq (8:00 P.M. EDT)
www.freerepublic.com | May 21, 2004

Posted on 05/24/2004 3:40:03 PM PDT by Howlin

Speech begins at 8:00 P.M. EDT; carried on MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, and CSPAN.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 1hour20minutestogo; bush; cic; cnn; cspan; foxnews; iraq; livethread; msnbc; strategy
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To: prairiebreeze

Speaking of the 9/11 commission, anybody hear Kerrey on O'Reilly.

He was really pointing the finger at Clinton for not taking out OBL in 1998.

Actually, I guess he was putting more of the blame on Tenet, but he said that if we had acted in the late 90's we could have prevented 9/11.

Whether that's true or not (even post 9/11 look at the furor over a pre-emptive strike), but it may give us a hint at what the Commission's report will be.


1,121 posted on 05/24/2004 7:08:11 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: TomGuy
Morris got Clinton elected twice. Morris knows about motivating voters to a candidate. Don't sell him short.

Sound advice. Morris also got Helms and Lott their election victories. He knows his stuff, but will go where he's wanted. Judging by his many columns, particularly today's, he clearly not in the Clinton camp.

1,122 posted on 05/24/2004 7:08:18 PM PDT by OESY
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To: kcvl
She must think that her HUGE pins will distract others from her ugly mug and even HUGER ass.
1,123 posted on 05/24/2004 7:08:45 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: Torie
I believe the power of the temporary govt. is spelled out in their short version constitution.

They will apparently have the ability to ask us to leave, but not the ability to control our forces.

It seems total sovereignty is correct, as it is a constitutional authority.

The recognition by the U.N. will seal the deal.

1,124 posted on 05/24/2004 7:08:58 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Lex et Liberatas......Semper Vigilo, Paratus, et Fidelis!)
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To: BlessedBeGod
"We will not fail. We will persevere and defeat this enemy." Is he talking about Iraq or the Democrats?

As they say in Mexico, amigo, "!AMBOS!" (Both!!!)

1,125 posted on 05/24/2004 7:09:01 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (I approve this message: character and integrity matter. Bush/Cheney for '04.)
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To: Fishtalk

That's the downside of the big state-small state deal that led to the electoral college and the House and Senate makeup. You get a-holes like Biden and Daschle that only have to fool a relatively small group of people and suddenly they are as powerful anyone else in the Senate. Every loser in NY/TX/CA etc etc probably gets double their votes.

No complaints about the system (big fan of the electoral college these days) but something I think about nonetheless.


1,126 posted on 05/24/2004 7:09:17 PM PDT by HRoarke (F. John Kerry)
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To: ThePythonicCow; snopercod; kcvl; Howlin; Miss Marple; MEG33
I need a place to save this text from the AP. Notice the timing:

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Today: May 24, 2004 at 15:31:59 PDT

War College Predictions Proving Accurate

By JOHN J. LUMPKIN
ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON (AP) - In the months before the invasion of Iraq, some senior faculty members at the Army War College predicted several of the problems the Bush administration is facing more than a year into the occupation.

A paper, "Reconstructing Iraq: Insights, Challenges, and Missions for Military Forces in a Post-Conflict Scenario," was published in February 2003, written by Conrad C. Crane and Andrew Terrill for the college's Strategic Studies Institute.

Parts of it seem prescient, suggesting that any U.S. occupation would face increasing resistance as time passed. The authors suggested the occupation would have roughly a year of goodwill before resentment mounted. The U.S.-led invasion began in March 2003.

"After the first year, the possibility of a serious uprising may increase should severe disillusionment set in and Iraqis begin to draw parallels between U.S. actions and historical examples of Western imperialism," the authors wrote.

The paper also predicted U.S. forces would face suicide bombings and resistance tactics aimed at eroding public support for the occupation.

"Any expansion of terrorism or guerrilla activity against U.S. troops in Iraq will undoubtedly require a forceful American response. Such U.S actions could involve a dramatic escalation in the numbers of arrests, interrogations, and detentions of local Iraqis. While such actions do improve security and force protection, they seldom win friends among the local citizenry. Individuals alienated from the U.S. occupation could well have their hostility deepened and increased by these acts," the paper warned.

The dangers in Iraq are magnified by the fact that most Americans have little understanding of the society there, the report said.

One piece of advice from the authors was not followed, when occupation forces disbanded the Iraqi regular army.

"To tear apart the army in the war's aftermath could lead to the destruction of one of the only forces for unity within the society," the report said. "Breaking up large elements of the army also raises the possibility that demobilized soldiers could affiliate with ethnic or tribal militias."

With the exception of disbanding the Army, the U.S. government generally seems to be following the reconstruction strategy described in the paper, rebuilding infrastructure and setting up police forces.

"The possibility of the United States winning the war and losing the peace in Iraq is real and serious," it warned. "Rehabilitating Iraq will consequently be an important challenge that threatens to consume huge amounts of resources without guaranteed results."

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On the Net:

http://www.carlisle.army.mil/ssi/pubs/2003/reconirq/reconirq.htm

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1,127 posted on 05/24/2004 7:10:03 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The terrorists and their supporters declared war on the United States - and war is what they got!!!!)
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To: Keith
how they will deal with whatever government Ibrahim (or whatever...the UN guys) announces...couldn't the UN get back in by having him choose a gov't to the UN's liking...?

Currently, Iraq has no knowledge of how to deal with their oil distribution, exploration, futures, management or anything else. Guess who does? They work for us. Hallburton. And they have CONTRACTS. Guess who doesn't have contracts? France, Germany, Russia, China. Iraq can kick us out, but we will take our marbles with us. You cant pump oil with a camel.

1,128 posted on 05/24/2004 7:10:09 PM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: Miss Marple
Richard Perle saying we have been there too long.

Perle is wrong and he fails to even acknowledge one of the main causes for the Iraqi theatre, that being the confluence of terrorists and WMD.

We still have not found the WMD. The notion that we conquer Baghdad and go home leaving Al Qaeda, the PLF, Ansar al Islam and there boss Zarqawi free reign to in Iraq with access to Sarin and Anthrax is beyond stupid, way beyond.

1,129 posted on 05/24/2004 7:10:32 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: wirestripper
They will apparently have the ability to ask us to leave, but not the ability to control our forces.

Of course, and they will not ask us to leave, because it would be suicide for them, and we have had a big hand as to who is in the interim government. We could not afford for it to be otherwise.

1,130 posted on 05/24/2004 7:10:54 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Ben Chad
Michael Savage caller comments about the speech, about 5 or 6, were all negative. Don't know if reflects screening or what. I bailed in the middle because my wife's stir fried chicken with snow peas beckoned.

Mike Savage is a pyrite conservative.

His fans are fooled.

1,131 posted on 05/24/2004 7:11:08 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: MEG33
The point was made that [in] Washington, the media is in panic mode and at least this may help the Republicans..When Woodward called the prison scandal as the defining story about the war..I was appalled, but I must face that is what they think in the media.

Remember when the press said that Enron would be the defining story of the Bush presidency? They will keep the prison story alive as long as they think they can get traction on it, and then, after it has faded, the Rats on some TV news show will drag it out and throw it up again when they get cornered and can't think of anything relevant in response to a question about Iraq.

1,132 posted on 05/24/2004 7:11:10 PM PDT by CedarDave ("Top Secret": Classification used by the media to prevent delivery of positive news on Bush or Iraq)
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To: alnick
Ha! You and I had the same thought, alnick!

Pukin Dog, coincidentally I believe Zinni and Clancy will be on Hannity and Colmes in a few minutes. I wonder if I should watch or just turn the damn TV off.

1,133 posted on 05/24/2004 7:11:25 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: OESY

Morris predicted Hillarys defeat, nuff said.


1,134 posted on 05/24/2004 7:11:49 PM PDT by John Lenin (Nothing is wrong with California that a rise in the ocean level wouldn't cure)
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DET 55
IND 54
End 3rd Quarter

1,135 posted on 05/24/2004 7:12:19 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: All

Off topic:

GREAT story about a true American hero, one of our soldiers in Iraq. It's worth opening the excerpted link.

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1141546/posts


1,136 posted on 05/24/2004 7:12:42 PM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: jwalsh07

The ensuing chaos and blood shed and probable civil war in an abrupt exit is far more serious, then allowing the perps to get a respite. That is why there is a consensus that we are rather "stuck" in Iraq at present. And on that, there is a consensus, except for the kooks.


1,137 posted on 05/24/2004 7:13:22 PM PDT by Torie
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To: noexcuses

It was great. I saw his dad once many years ago when he visited troops, but he had already left office. This is the first time I have seen a sitting President up close like this. I went when they first opened the doors...almost three hours before the speech, and folks were already lining up. Everyone got there early, and everyone was very excited. He is incredible sincere when he goes around and says hello and shakes hands aferwards. Thanked everyone, and you could really sense he meant it.

He also presented a Volunteer of the Year award to one of the spouses here. No fanfare, no cameras (other than the families!); he could care less about the reporters. Clearly he was just a sincere fellow thanking someone for what they have done to support our troops and their nation.

I can think of former occupants of the WH who would try and make every presentation a photo op for themselves.


1,138 posted on 05/24/2004 7:14:08 PM PDT by Proud Legions
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To: Miss Marple
To summarize again:

at the turnover on June 30,

1. Iraq will have FULL sovereignty.

2. Iraq will award the oil contracts.

3. Iraq will decide about how much information to release on the UN Oil scandal.

4. The UN will have to help because it is the right thing to do, and France and Germany can't pressure the US to grant contracts in order for help.

.......But the press herd is too dull-witted to notice this.

1,139 posted on 05/24/2004 7:14:30 PM PDT by cookcounty (LBJ sent him to VN. Nixon expressed him home. And JfK's too dumb to tell them apart!)
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To: alnick
Alan Colmes is a damn fool.

Water wet.

Sky blue.

Trees pretty.

:)

1,140 posted on 05/24/2004 7:14:31 PM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle (I feel more and more like a revolted Charlton Heston, witnessing ape society for the very first time)
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