Terror suspect captured on tape (NGsman tried to join al-Qaida before deploying to iraq)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/173124_anderson13.html ^ | 5-13-04 | MIKE BARBER

[OXENinFLA]

FORT LEWIS -- Army Spc. Ryan Anderson talked with his lawyer and wrote on a notepad yesterday, but didn't look up at the screen showing an undercover video of his meeting near the Space Needle in February with two federal investigators posing as al-Qaida terrorist recruiters.

In the 58-minute recording made inside a vehicle, with about a minute censored for security reasons, Anderson, 26, of Lynnwood is shown volunteering ideas on how to defeat U.S. military vehicles and kill soldiers, sharing military documents, making plans to desert and join al-Qaida, and his reasons for it all.

"While I love my homeland, I believe the leaders have taken this horrible road. I have no belief in what the American Army has asked me to do. They have taken me from my family and sent me to die," Anderson said on the video, which was shown in a courtroom at this Army base yesterday.

"I joined the National Guard because they said I won't go over and fight -- I will fight at home," he said.

But Anderson, a convert to Islam, said he would not fight overseas against "brother" Muslims. "I am very upset about that," he said. "I love my country, but I fear my government."

[GrandMoM]

....am I'm not accusing, it is a what if, since the first article I read on AOL said he was a war protester.

[Truth Barer]

I think that since there are more European Americans trying to force their thinking and lifestyles on the muslims in America that they feel they MUST show that they will not change their religious customs for anybody just because euro Americans don't like it.

They might feel as though they are targeted for their beliefs now and you here so many euro Americans speaking so bad about Islam and the Muslims that I feel for many of them. I don't think any Christian would like the same type of harassment and prejudice just because Timothy Mcveigh blew up 100s of people in Oklahoma under the name of Christianity or to be looked at as racist just because the Klan say they are true Christians. I really feel that white America should check their misconceptions at the door and learn more about the good that Muslims do and the good that is in Islam. Islam in its true form is not a fanatic religion and is a religion of Peace, but extreme fanatics have hijacked Islam and now it is perverted the same as Christianity and Judaism have been perverted. I have NEVER seen anywhere in the Bible where Jesus(PBUH)told us to solve any of our problems with war and murder. If any so-called Christian can show me where Jesus said that we should kill each other for ANY REASON please show me and all of the people on FR.

All of the worlds Religions have been hijacked by Devils and now the masses must pay the ultimate price unless the masses rise up on both sides and demand that all wars and murder of human beings stop and we sit down like civilized human beings and solve our differences. If we all claim to be followers of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad(PBUT)than why is it that the whole religious world is at war?

[Chieftain]

Traitor ping..............

Can we send this to Hanoi John Kerry?

I think he was looking for some campaign workers he could relate to!

[MEG33]

His Father is.

[Mark17]

Oh yes, from nearly every one of my democratic friends.

You have democratic friends? You are a better person than I. If I have friends, and I find out they are democrats, they are no longer my friends.

[Truth Barer]

Welcome to FR Truth Barer. You have interesting first posts, including possibly blaming the CIA for the Berg beheading. Hmmm...

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What I am saying is that they may have allowed this to be well publicized to counter all of the heat the Bush Admin. is taking for soldiers sexually assaulting and unjustly killing prisoners in Iraq.I didn't mean to come off like the CIA had them do the execution, that they did on their own, but to show this atrocity to the world by our media would be a smart move for the Bush admin. to do some damage control and get people to sympathize for Berg and forget about the 1800 photos and videos showing gross torture by the hands of US soldiers.

I feel that both are wrong for going about things this way(murder and torture)and that the people will suffer the biggest losses because of the egos and greed of a few people on both sides.

[Petronski]

"While I love my homeland, I believe the leaders have taken this horrible road. I have no belief in what the American Army has asked me to do. They have taken me from my family and sent me to die," Anderson said on the video, which was shown in a courtroom at this Army base yesterday.

This could just as easily have been posted on a DUmpster thread.

[Truth Barer]

So, are you saying that a people are better off when they can openly be homos, adulterers, fornicators and immoral but have clean water, sewer systems and cell phones?

If you do, then I think very differently than you do on this issue. I feel that the most important element of a nation is its level of morality and not clean water and golden toilets. The US needs to check herself and start building character in the people instead of them being moral misfits and having great wealth.

[Petronski]

All of the worlds Religions have been hijacked by Devils and now the masses must pay the ultimate price unless the masses rise up on both sides and demand that all wars and murder of human beings stop and we sit down like civilized human beings and solve our differences. If we all claim to be followers of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad(PBUT)than why is it that the whole religious world is at war?

You're off your meds. Either that, or you're off your gob.

[Petronski]

...1800 photos and videos showing gross torture by the hands of US soldiers.

You're not baring any truth, but you certainly are unveiling some tasty lies.

[jjm2111]

Hi truth:

I think that since there are more European Americans trying to force their thinking and lifestyles on the muslims in America that they feel they MUST show that they will not change their religious customs for anybody just because euro Americans don't like it.

I'm not sure what you mean by 'force their thinking and lifestyles'. I certainly have no problem with Muslims practicing their religion, but the tenents of the Koran must be voluntary for Muslims. Muslim women should not be forced to wear a headscarf. Nor should Muslims be using Sharia law in this country. That would be equivalent to Christians using Biblical law to resolve their disputes. A dumb idea all around.

If Muslism in this country feel threatened by White Europeans, maybe they shouldn't come here. Or they could publically announce their support for the United States and not side with their Muslim 'brothers'.

Tim McVeigh was one person. He also did not say that he was blowing up the Murrah building for Jesus. Millions of Muslims subscribe to a radical form of Islam.

How has Christianity and Judaism been perverted?

[skeeter]

You have democratic friends? You are a better person than I. If I have friends, and I find out they are democrats, they are no longer my friends.

I'm getting to be that way, but here on the west coast they're pretty tough to avoid.

In fact my boss is a big lefty.

[Petronski]

The US needs to check herself and start building character in the people instead of them being moral misfits and having great wealth.

In the totality of your FR posts, newbie, you have revealed yourself as possible zotbait.

Lie, lie, lie, but don't expect to stay here very long.

[jjm2111]

Oh Jesus Christ. The guy hasn't been argumentative or stupid. This place has become one big echo chamber of late. As long as he conducts himself politely and doesn't post garbage threads, don't zot him.

[olde north church]

I didn't say that, you did'
You are obviously in here to instigate so ....

THAR SHE BLOWS...MOBY TROLL...ARGGGH!!!!

[Petronski]

He's posted plenty of lies about, well, everything. But, as you might have noticed, I haven't called for his removal. I have only brought his antics to the proper attention. The decision is not mine, but theirs.

[Petronski]

Ask an orthodox Jew and see what he says. but these western Christan's have become puppets for these devils and bush has fallen for Their game hook, line and sinker. there is so much I can say on this matter and I do not have enough time to explain.

Christians have become puppets to the devil Jooooos, donchaknow...

[Truth Barer]

Thanks for allowing me to express my views without being mocked or talked down on. I will overlook those who take pot shots at me and converse with those who might disagree with me but still respect what I have to say and not curse me out for saying it.

[Rebelbase]

"We need to become vigilantes."

Before it's all said and done with regard to the ideological split that is tearing at this country and the turmoil and disruption that may result of it, your idea might just happen.