Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]

NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

[FreeReign]

I have a son in the USMC, and my brother son in the USAF and many friends in the U.S. Army, and many Puerto Ricans in the NG and Reverse and ACTIVE are in the middle -east , some have already died.

High regards to you and your family.

Thanks!

[A Citizen Reporter]

While I agree with most of your post, this part I just can't.

"Let's leave out political motive to CBS,just indifference to the result."

This is what Hillary Clinton said yesterday, as a member of the Armed Services Senate Committee:

Clinton: The focus on the pictures being released is, with all due respect, missing the point.

The release of these pictures was a violation of the Geneva Convention. And as one who was quoting the Geneva Convention in her "questioning" she should have known it.

[xkaydet65]

Not to defend Hackworth, but he didn't do this. These "soldiers" did it. Maybe he takes some pleasure in giving it to the brass, I don't know. But I don't believe he can be blamed for this any more than LIFE magazine can be blamed for My Lai.

The only question about these "soldiers" is whether their story that Intel people told them to do this holds water. I think the pictures don't back that up. These perverts are having way too much fun posing for the cameras.

[MEG33]

Who could tell?..The girl, another heretofore, sweet young do gooder type will be the best source of information on that.

I trust nothing Graner says. He knew better. He is obviously a control freak who beat his wife, stalked, harrassed and videotaped her. I'll bet he never takes responsibility for anything he does.

MI needs looking at.

We are not running a church school, but a prison with people who may have blown up our military and innocent Iraqis. I expect all legal means to be employed against them and don't blame any soldier for lapses in the heat of things. Pictures for remembrance are not taken in the heat of things.

[lavrenti]

Oh no, I agree these freaks are ultimately at fault. What infuriates me about this matter is that the system was working. There was an investigation, people were going to be charged and then these idiots decide to turn it upside its head.

Really caused a huge problem. Hackworth, the fools who thought that by contacting him, their relatives might get off, CBS, for broadcasting the images, some of the Dems who latched on to this...

Not trying to be flip here, but this all queer eye for the Arab guy. Really made those soldiers out to be a bunch of S/M queers. Embarrassing.

[MEG33]

I meant "if you leave out the political" ...I know CBS has a political reason. I was trying to imply that even if you say they had no political motive, they were indifferent to the harm done....

I don't think anyone but governments themselves are under the convention. Of course this time the messenger will get off without being killed!

Hillary has eyes planted all over. She seems to have had the report before the Secy. of Defense did. Release of the pictures did not bother her, not what mattered.

The investigation was ongoing, the crimes listed and she knew that it was being prosecuted.....Why make the statement that pictures that were hurting our mission, our military, our international reputation, humiliation of people we want to liberate was not important? Politics,barf.

[A Citizen Reporter]

"I don't think anyone but governments themselves are under the convention."

As a Senator, Hillary is part of the government. She'd better pray that there is no way to tie her to the release of these pictures.

[cajungirl]

Neither your experience nor mine has any bearing on the facts in this case,,I suggest we both wait and see what judgements are made and eschew the pitchforks and torches and lynching materials for now.

[MEG33]

Hillary escapes the punishment for her misdeeds. Others always pay the price for her actions.

[PhiKapMom]

Detest Hackworth -- he is a disgrace now! Really a shame too, but unlike some people on here, I don't give him a pass forever just because he was a war hero. His actions today are those of a bitter, old man!

[redrock]

Guess I'll be one of the few...

Hack did nothing wrong in helping to being this story to 'light'.

The United States has a serious problem in one part of a prison in Iraq....and there may be more 'problems' elsewhere. Bringing them to light can make it a little rough for awhile...but the United States and it's Military CAN weather it...because we (as a Nation) have always stood for something better than the rest of the world. Just because the rest of the world does wrong things to THEIR prisoners...doesn't mean that we should just sweep things like this under the rug.

It's better to have it out in the open.

..and IF those MP's get convicted....I hope they have a long stretch at Leavenworth.

redrock

[DugwayDuke]

Robert,

It's always a pleasure to watch an all knowing fool prove that he is also an ass. My compliments on having done such a fine job.

[Big Horn]

Why would anyone want to be seen in such disgraceful pictures?

[A Citizen Reporter]

Bringing them to light? They have been brought to light. The whole thing was under investigation, and Gn Kapinski had been removed from the prison. Now, SOMEBODY wasn't satisfied with that. The NY Times has us believing that this is nothing more than a nasty defense case, like OJ's, where the defense plays fast and loose with "disclosure". I think it's a bit MORE than that.

[texasflower]

Who knows. It is beyond my comprehension, as it is most decent Americans.

Disgusting.

[A Citizen Reporter]

Perhaps. But this time shes run herself smack into Rummy. I know who I'll take on that battle.

[redrock]

So...do you think that the Republic will fall because of this???

Personally...it's good for a Nation such as ours to have these things out in the light of day...and sometimes (hell....mostimes) reports in the Military are NOT out in the light...but hidden away to protect General Officers reputations...and promotions.

redrock

[A Citizen Reporter]

"but hidden away to protect General Officers reputations..."

That hadn't happened in this case. The General (Karpinski) involved had already been removed from her command. Months ago. Now what was it about the light of day, that YOU wanted exposed?

[MEG33]

Hack knew that people were being investigated, the commander relieved, people detained. The pictures hurt our forces in harm's way. Hack wasn't revealing anything that had not been announced by Cent Com. Pictures sensationalized it

A criminal investigation was onging.Release of the pictures may harm the prosecution,unduly prejudicing the ones who stand in judgement and the defense will use that.

Hack did it because he hates the war, the Pentagon, Rumsfield. The harm to men and women in uniform, particularly those in Iraq seem not a matter of concern to him. He is a self aggrandizing, bitter man.

[GoLightly]

At the Senate committee hearing, Hildebeast gave Rummy crap about being more concerned about the pics getting out, than about the behaviour displayed in the pics....