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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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To: faithincowboys
Didn't Hackworth run a prostitution ring while he served in Vietnam??

More likely that's Richard Armitage. Google for "Armitage" "O'Rourke" (the owner of the strip club) and "Ross Perot" as this came up in 1984 investigation under Reagan.
781 posted on 05/08/2004 5:03:45 PM PDT by lelio
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To: billbears
I dd not condone a coverup, which never happened. This report was first announced by CENTCOM in January. They announced it in a press conference. Everyone involved in this has already been investigated, and charges are being announced now.

There is nothing new in the CBS report except the pictures. The pictures are being released in order to undermone the admonistration and stir up the Islamacists. If you can't see that, there is nothing I can say to convince you.

782 posted on 05/08/2004 5:09:13 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Rodney King
A college professor;the entire class was tested as it was part of what we were learning to teach.
783 posted on 05/08/2004 5:09:42 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: txrangerette
BRAVA! :-)
784 posted on 05/08/2004 5:13:19 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: lelio
Hackworth did in Nam-- believe me.

785 posted on 05/08/2004 5:14:28 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: billbears
Contrary to your partisan opinion, this information puts no one any more in harm's way than they already were.

So,Sadr preaching to his followers to do stuff like keep female prisoners as slaves (with his permission), because of the prisoner treatment (only verifiable to him because of the pictures being broadcast all over the world), isn't harmful to our kids?

What planet are you on???

Besides, the information was classified during an ongoing investigation.

Sounds like you think the public "right to know", should allow all documents and pictures of all ongoing investigations, be publicized all over the world, so no one can ever get convicted (in our society).

786 posted on 05/08/2004 5:17:57 PM PDT by easonc52
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To: RGSpincich
Got squat? That's all he's entitled to. He doesn't get to be on the judges panel. What he means in saying he got nowhere means to me that nobody was excusing his rotten nephew's behavior.

You were the braintrust who said that Lawson should have been trying to resolve the matter.

William Lawson is the driving force in getting the case made public, as opposed to getting the case resolved for his nephew. I want to know more about him.

787 posted on 05/08/2004 5:18:02 PM PDT by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler-Schiavo)
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To: Orlando
I hear you buddy. I have been saying that on every thread. Did you see what Kerry's doing now? He's using the prisoner abuse scandal to raise money. I hate to say it, but if there are enough Americans willing to support that unAmerican Pr*ck, we're not the Country I thought we were.
788 posted on 05/08/2004 5:18:04 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: DollyCali
I was away on vacation and Fled has a new job,so neither of us have been here much lately.

I've found that the really gigantic threads on FR are almost impossisble to catch up on.GOOD LUCK! :-)

789 posted on 05/08/2004 5:20:10 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: lelio
not the taking of photos and the release of them.

I'm trying to understand who you think took the photos?

The way you're talking, it sounds like you think it was a 3rd party apparently invisible and unattached to the activities.

790 posted on 05/08/2004 5:23:29 PM PDT by easonc52
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To: MEG33

If not that Congresssman, then some type of legal professional.

Did you just hear Graner's lawyer say that some of the military individuals that are in the picture that was released yesterday with the three naked Iragis entertwined are MIs.

791 posted on 05/08/2004 5:24:11 PM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: TigersEye
I want to know more about him.

I did find out more about him and his nephew. Found out enough to realize that the nephew was probably dirty and that the uncle was trying to muscle an acquittal for him.

792 posted on 05/08/2004 5:32:46 PM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: TeleStraightShooter
What is a horor to some is a typical day for another.
793 posted on 05/08/2004 5:33:22 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: mass55th
Not good, but there have always been creeps among the great military people.
794 posted on 05/08/2004 5:35:39 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: RGSpincich
Got something to share? Why not link it?
795 posted on 05/08/2004 5:39:12 PM PDT by TigersEye ("Where there is life there is hope!" - Terri Schindler-Schiavo)
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To: lelio
"obey the Geneva Convention"

Are you a participant in the "Model U.N." or something? This is real life.

796 posted on 05/08/2004 5:42:40 PM PDT by LurkedLongEnough (Bush '04 --- in a F'n landslide.)
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To: Miss Marple
The soldiers involved were detained, the Commander had been relieved , the pictures were released because it was a big sensational "get" for CBS. I think it endangers our mission and our soldiers. Let's leave out political motive to CBS,just indifference to the result. I think that is damning,too.

A picture is worth a thousand words. The England girl playing fun and games with her former corrections officer wife beating boyfriend was a paper pusher,not on duty , "jes visitin'" dunce. What incredible stupidity and lack of discipline! Their own created porno movie.

That corrections officer knew the rules,he knew that "just following orders" doesn't work. MI may have conspired in encouraging this and needs close investigation. It is all very painful. Seems no one was really in charge.

The pictures of rape or brutality Rumsfield described leave me wondering why all the camera work? It isn't the usual prison guard who wants his misdeeds captured to be viewed by anyone who has a copy.

The democrats are having a great time with this, its all they have, the HYPOCRITICAL arabs and their press, cohorts in international media are using a double standard.

The abuse happened, it is a problem being addressed. I just want the perps and their enablers punished. Karpinskis career is so over. She can't put it all on intelligence. She ran an undisciplined, sloppy Command. They all splattered their dirty deeds on the uniform others wear with honor. We shall overcome this...BUSH/CHENEY '04
797 posted on 05/08/2004 5:44:26 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: lelio
But no, according to lelio, we need to humiliate them even more.

Oh give me a break, I'm sure your heart is bleeding for the Iraqis. Step back and try and see how idiotic you look trying to defend the indefensable. And that indefensable is the torture and humiliation of the prisoners, not the taking of photos and release of them.

I never defended the torture and humiliation of the prisoners. In fact I did the opposite. I said:

Your accusation is idiotic -- you are a dunce.

798 posted on 05/08/2004 5:50:12 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Diddle E. Squat
The HACK is a worthless POS.
Maybe he is just protecting his own Band of Butlers...ooOps! Band of Brothers.
A little light in the loafers don't you think?

799 posted on 05/08/2004 5:50:39 PM PDT by Cincinna (BEWARE HILLARY & HER H I N O)
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To: Miss Marple
If it is against the Geneva Convention to humiliate prisoners, why is CBS broadcasting the photos. They are, in my opinion, as guilty of war crimes as the guards at the prison.



Exactly right.
US military was and is investigating.
No cover-up.
CBS has an agenda:
it wants to destroy President Bush,
nevermind that their unconscionable acts have
undermined our prosecution of the war in Iraq.
To CBS and their gleeful media competitors,
our American soldiers (and dare I say coalition soldiers also?)
must now fight in a light of hated we can only imagine.
800 posted on 05/08/2004 5:50:50 PM PDT by onyx (WHO LEAKED TO CBS? Was it you Col. Hackworth?)
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