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Soldier's Family Set in Motion Chain of Events on Disclosure [Hackworth involved in CBS photos]
NY Times ^ | 5/8/04 | James Dao and Eric Lichtblau

Posted on 05/07/2004 11:02:41 PM PDT by saquin

CUMBERLAND, Md., May 7 — Ivan Frederick was distraught. His son, an Army reservist turned prison guard in Iraq, was under investigation earlier this year for mistreating prisoners, and photographs of the abuse were beginning to circulate among soldiers and military investigators.

So the father went to his brother-in-law, William Lawson, who was afraid that reservists like his nephew would end up taking the fall for what he considered command lapses, Mr. Lawson recounted in an interview on Friday. He knew whom to turn to: David Hackworth, a retired colonel and a muckraker who was always willing to take on the military establishment. Mr. Lawson sent an e-mail message in March to Mr. Hackworth's Web site and got a call back from an associate there in minutes, he said.

That e-mail message would put Mr. Lawson in touch with the CBS News program "60 Minutes II" and help set in motion events that led to the public disclosure of the graphic photographs and an international crisis for the Bush administration.

It is still not entirely clear who leaked the photos and how they got into the hands of a "60 Minutes II" producer. What is clear, however, is that the furor over the photos is unlikely to dissipate any time soon.

And it may only get worse.

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed Friday that there were "many more photos" and videos of abuse that have not yet become public. And he acknowledged in Senate testimony that the military might have mishandled the affair by not alerting members of Congress and the public to the growing seriousness of the military's investigation into the abuses before the images became public on "60 Minutes II."

"I wish I had been able to convey to them the gravity of this before we saw it in the media," Mr. Rumsfeld said.

The irony, Mr. Lawson said, is that the public spectacle might have been avoided if the military and the federal government had been responsive to his claims that his nephew was simply following orders. Mr. Lawson said he sent letters to 17 members of Congress about the case earlier this year, with virtually no response, and that he ultimately contacted Mr. Hackworth's Web site out of frustration, leading him to cooperate with a consultant for "60 Minutes II."

"The Army had the opportunity for this not to come out, not to be on 60 Minutes," he said. "But the Army decided to prosecute those six G.I.'s because they thought me and my family were a bunch of poor, dirt people who could not do anything about it. But unfortunately, that was not the case."

Many of the incriminating photographs appear to have been taken on a digital camera by a soldier in the 372nd Military Police Company who is now facing a court-martial. From there, they appear to have circulated among military personnel in Iraq via e-mail and computer disks, and some may have found their way to family members in the United States.

But there are still numerous unresolved questions about the photographs. One is why they were taken. Some officials suggest that soldiers wanted the photographs as souvenirs, but some relatives said they believed that the photographs were going to be shown to other prisoners to pressure their cooperation.

Then there is the question of how the photographs became public.

Lt. Gen. Lance Smith, deputy commander of forces in the region, testifying Friday before Congress, said he was still unclear how that happened. "It was a surprise that it got out," General Smith said.

Military officials were aware of two disks with photographs on them that were part of continuing investigations, one in Iraq and another in Washington, he said.

"That was the limit of the pictures, and we thought we had them all," General Smith said.

Producers at "60 Minutes II" are not saying exactly how they got the photographs. But Jeff Fager, the executive producer, said, "We heard about someone who was outraged about it and thought that the public should know about it."

Digital cameras have become so ubiquitous in the military that many relatives of personnel in the 372nd and other units in Iraq said they routinely received photographs by e-mail. But the photographs were usually tourist-type photographs of smiling sons and daughters, relatives said.

Officials said that the photographs showing psychological or physical abuse numbered in the hundreds, perhaps more than 1,000, with Mr. Rumsfeld hinting Friday that more may come out.

Among some prison personnel in Iraq, the photographs were apparently an open secret. "Some soldiers in Iraq had them — I'm hearing that soldiers were showing them to everybody," Mr. Lawson said. He said he did not have the original photos and did not turn them over to anyone.

The photographs have now turned soldiers like Mr. Lawson's nephew, Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick, and Pfc. Lynndie R. England into graphic symbols of military abuse. But for Mr. Lawson, they are evidence of a complete breakdown in training and authority in the Iraqi prison system.

He shared his frustration in his March 23 e-mail message to Mr. Hackworth's Web site, writing: "We have contacted the Red Cross, Congress both parties, Bill O'Reilly and many others. Nobody wants to touch this."

Less than five weeks later, images of his nephew — interviewed on "60 Minutes II" with Mr. Lawson's help — would be shown around the world. Far from untouchable, the story would become unavoidable.


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To: CWOJackson
Hack used to have the respect of many of us ex-military vets, but, if this is true he has 'more than crossed the line'--to get even with his "perfumed princes" he has insulted every decent person in the military services as well as hurt our Nation--I will reserve my strongest opinions until this is sorted out since the "filthy media" will do enough damage to America and our troops--
761 posted on 05/08/2004 3:14:41 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: lelio
CBS did not take the photos to document war crimes. The photos were taken by people in the prison for reasons yet to be determined (intimidating other prisoners, souvenirs, sales to homosexual porn rings, etc).

CBS was given the photos and chose to broadcast them. The situation in the prison had already been corrected, the people who had participated in the illegal acts were already in custody, and court martials are underway.

The report which was released detailed the infractions. The only thing missing were the pictures. Why do you think that the American public and the Arab world needed to see the pictures? When I read "female guards pointing at naked men's genitalia" that is enough for me. I don't need to see it.

BUT, broadcasting the pictures is VERY effective in stirring up resentment in the Arab world, where many pepople are illiterate. And stirring them up gives credence to Al Qaeda and the insurgents.

I fail to see why you do not understant this. And I stand by my position, that CBS is guilty of violating the Geneva Convention.

762 posted on 05/08/2004 3:16:16 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: cmotormac44
For me the HACK crossed the line years ago when he set out to destory Admiral Borda (the only CNO to come out of the ranks and a REAL leader).

I wrote him off then as a self serving media whore.

The final myth about his great military genius was finally demonstrated in all of his predictions regarding Afganistan the Iraq...he wasn't right once.

The HACK is a disgrace.

763 posted on 05/08/2004 3:18:17 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: billbears
You know, I did my best to give you a reasonable response. You are so committed to your anti-war, anti-Bush position, that as onyx said, it is pointless to have a discussion with you.

Therefore, billbears, as far as I am concerned you may go pound sand.

764 posted on 05/08/2004 3:18:32 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: CWOJackson
I hope our government checks out what the political party is of these 'rats and squealers'---sounds like a planned setup using a few POS in the military police---would not be one bit surprised that they were paid off to do their acts and take the pics or maybe I give such trash too much credit for brains--I am glad and proud that I served some 60 yrs ago during WW2 when there was no TV or reporters who wanted to sell our Nation out-may God Bless our troops and protect them from the "filth" that exists in America today-
765 posted on 05/08/2004 3:26:25 PM PDT by cmotormac44
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To: Miss Marple
I don't need to see it.

I suppose if you want a sanitized war its fine.

And I don't believe for one second this was a couple of bad apples (the excuse of any organization). Orders to do this, which would eventually cause us harm in that the world thinks we're the bad guys now, came from up high. Heads need to roll to get the point across: that we need professionalism and to obey the Geneva Convention if we're at all to be taken seriously.

If these photos didn't come out the "investigation" would of stopped with the handful of people shown in the photos.
766 posted on 05/08/2004 3:34:06 PM PDT by lelio
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To: lelio
Oh, really? The general in charge of the prison system had already been relieved of her duty. The information was available begining in January.

The Taluga report has been made public.

But by God, we have to have PICTURES! And why is that? Do they think Americans can't read?

767 posted on 05/08/2004 3:37:37 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: onyx; Miss Marple
The lurkers will read and see your wisdom!
Thank you

Yes, thank you

768 posted on 05/08/2004 3:49:17 PM PDT by Rheo
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To: lelio
Heads need to roll to get the point across: that we need professionalism and to obey the Geneva Convention if we're at all to be taken seriously.

Article 13 of the third Geneva convention says that POWs should be humanely treated and "protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity".

The six or more who committed the acts in question against the POW's violated the Geneva Convention. Their heads should roll.

The people who released and published the photos in question also violated the Geneva Convention because the release increased the humiliation and public curiosity factor a million fold.

For example if you had these classified photos and if you leaked them to the press then your head should roll.

769 posted on 05/08/2004 3:57:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Miss Marple; lelio
But by God, we have to have PICTURES! And why is that? Do they think Americans can't read?

The POW's have already been humiliated by the acts that were committed on them.

But no, according to lelio, we need to humiliate them even more. Ya, know have everybody in the world see them being dragged like or dog or have everybody in the world see them with a chubby....

As long as their political means is carried to its end, it's swell.

770 posted on 05/08/2004 4:02:39 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign; All
Didn't Hackworth run a prostitution ring while he served in Vietnam??

Has this been mentioned on this thread??

Anybody have more details and source material on that??
771 posted on 05/08/2004 4:04:46 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: CWOJackson
For me the HACK crossed the line years ago when he set out to destory Admiral Borda (the only CNO to come out of the ranks and a REAL leader).

Right you are CWO.

772 posted on 05/08/2004 4:05:50 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Orlando
Was PUN*s supposed to mean punks?

I mean really we can handle the word punks, can't we???
773 posted on 05/08/2004 4:06:58 PM PDT by faithincowboys
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To: faithincowboys
YES PUNKS !!!!

That's what they are PUNKS !!!

I have a son in the USMC, and my brother son in the USAF
and many friends in the U.S. Army, and many Puerto Ricans
in the NG and Reverse and ACTIVE are in the middle -east
, some have already died.

I am OLD Army, and I don't want a repeat of the 60's...& 70's...

We FIGHT or we Die...

The Republicans in office and in charge MUST FIGHT back
and have some B*LLS .....

Balls and stop acting like P***Y ! Am I worry?
YES !!! I am a Father & Veteran
774 posted on 05/08/2004 4:17:39 PM PDT by Orlando (www.mensnewsdaily.com, www.mensactivism.org (Support Fathers/Veteran Rights)
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To: Orlando
What happen to us ?
We are the United States of America the HOME OF THE BRAVE
and of General Patton.
We were ATTACKED on 911 !!!

Many New Yorkers were murdered on 911 and DC too have we
forgotten them already ????
775 posted on 05/08/2004 4:32:18 PM PDT by Orlando (www.mensnewsdaily.com, www.mensactivism.org (Support Fathers/Veteran Rights)
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To: All
How many of you have children(s) and friends, love ones
serving over-sea in the Theater of operation ?

I DO !! I have !!
776 posted on 05/08/2004 4:42:55 PM PDT by Orlando (www.mensnewsdaily.com, www.mensactivism.org (Support Fathers/Veteran Rights)
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To: Miss Marple
You know, I did my best to give you a reasonable response.

No you didn't. What you did was to condone the coverup of a graver situation and instead blame the messenger for releasing information to the general public. Contrary to your partisan opinion, this information puts no one any more in harm's way than they already were. No troop placements, no tactical intelligence, nothing of the sort was released. Only what can be considered disgusting behavior from twenty-somethings left on their own. You know full well if this was not released nothing would have happened to the soldiers involved

Therefore, billbears, as far as I am concerned you may go pound sand.

Typical

777 posted on 05/08/2004 4:47:25 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice.)
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To: saquin
Hypothesis: That at least a number of these pictures were posed, with the full knowledge and tacit permission of officers in the chain of command that were operating in contravention of standing orders for the acceptable and permissible handling of prisoners, that they had exceeded the scope of their direct orders on their own initiative. And that they had done it with the express purpose of embarrassing and compromising the Bush Administration and particularly Secretary Rumsfeld. The plot to carry out this seditious activity came from some of the same big-money interests who have sworn to depose George W. Bush from office by any means available, legal or not.

The timing and the coordinated hit was just too suspicious. And it it was Col. Hackworth, a noted anti-war activist when it comes to the War on Terror, that leaked the photos to CBS, an organization all too quick to publish them.
778 posted on 05/08/2004 4:50:29 PM PDT by alloysteel
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To: TexKat
I may be able to see the problem with a Congressman being on site,but not the idea altogether.
779 posted on 05/08/2004 4:58:22 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry's been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security!)
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To: FreeReign
But no, according to lelio, we need to humiliate them even more.

Oh give me a break, I'm sure your heart is bleeding for the Iraqis. Step back and try and see how idiotic you look trying to defend the indefensable. And that indefensable is the torture and humiliation of the prisoners, not the taking of photos and the release of them.
780 posted on 05/08/2004 5:00:31 PM PDT by lelio
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