Arabs Once Dominated Science

That virtually is the only thing that separtes the two religions, and that makes it so different.

That and the lack of "kill the non-believers" in the Bible. Why do you keep avoiding that?

Not only was Muhammad not able to read or write, but nobody anywhere wrote down anything about him or Islam for 3 generations after his death, and after Islam had conquered everything from Southern Spain to India. These pirates weren't keen on scholarship.

The Quran was first written down in Baghdad 200 years after Muhammad died.

I couldn't live over there. It's always so dusty and dirty, and they're always wearing the sandals or goin barefoot. Yuk- I would hate that. I need good footwear.

Its two different religions, the bible and the koran have many smilarities but distinct differences, like muslims believe jesus isnt the son of god, because god cant have a son. That virtually is the only thing that separtes the two religions, and that makes it so different.

Not really, the Koran says that it is the next line of Holy Books and says that the Bible and the Jewish texts are Holy and True. Well, the story of Ibrahim and ISAAC was held to be true way BEFORE Christianity, about 1000+ years before Christianity, by the Jews. There was NEVER any doubt for 1600+ years that Ibrahim was about to sacrifice his only legitimate son ISAAC. Then Mo comes and says that no, folks had it wrong for 1600 years, it was actually Ishmael. Huh? How can he say that?

All the muslims, according to you cronos, and your internet, are only on this earth to kill,

I'm flattered you consider it MY internet (but I'm not Al Gore!), however, all Muslimms who follow the Koran and see the words to go and kill infidels will go out and do that. The Koran is evil because of that reason (among others) and as I showed you with the Isaac story, it can so easily be proven WRONG.

Its two different religions, the bible and the koran have many smilarities but distinct differences, like muslims believe jesus isnt the son of god, because god cant have a son. That virtually is the only thing that separtes the two religions, and that makes it so different.

Actually, no, that's not what makes it different. Perhaps you've never read about the CHRISTIAN Monophysite heresy. It started in Egypt and Arabia and tried to state that Christ was not divine. It got proven wrong and died out. However, Mo heard of these stories and then incorporated them into his Arab nationalist theology that he made into a religion.

He had marriages, he had kids, he was on this earth to teach people the religion of islam.

Yes, he had marriages, the last of which was to a 7 YEAR OLD GIRL. Mohammmed CONSUMMATED HIS MARRIAGE TO A 9 YEAR OLD AISHA. A 60 year old man sleeping with a 9 year old. Do you call that marriage????? or even normal? And yet you call him your Holy prophet?

LOL.

Not only was Muhammad not able to read or write, but nobody anywhere wrote down anything about him or Islam for 3 generations after his death, and after Islam had conquered everything from Southern Spain to India. These pirates weren't keen on scholarship. The Quran was first written down in Baghdad 200 years after Muhammad died.

ANd yet slamics are the first to complain that the Bible and the Talmud are distorted (when the Qumran texts that date from the time of Christ prove that the words have NOT been changed). Since the words of Christ were noted down during and soon after his death, I'd reckon their veracity is more certain than Mo's.

Islame is to blame. But, not to worry Arabs, your religion plans to reduce the rest of the world to level of your society-a society consisting of only the stupid and the dead.

That virtually is the only thing that separtes the two religions, and that makes it so different.

Any Muslimwho wants to commit violence has perfect justification for doing so from the Quran. Many passages in the Quran exhort Muslims to kill infidels (non-Muslims) wherever they find them. See Suras 2:190-193, 2:216, 4:76, 5:32-36, 8:12-14, 8:39, 8:59, 8:65, 9:5, 9:14, 9:23-29, 9:38-41, 9:123, 47:4, 47:35, 61:4, and 66:9.

Usama bin Laden in the now famous videotape discovered in Afghanistan in late 2001 is quoted as saying, "I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad." These words echo language in the Quran itself.

But the Quran is not the only basis for violence in Islam. The example of Muhammad himself laid the foundation for violence via his deeds and commands, which are found in the hadiths. Eleven percent of the pages of the Bukhari Hadiths mention Holy War (jihad). Military jihad is a traditional and authentic part of Islam.

There are two meanings for jihad. One meaning is a personal spiritual aspect to kill sinful desires. It also means to use violence to spread the faith. Muslims are taught that those who fight and die in a jihad have their sins forgiven, and they are rewarded with a sensual and luxurious life in paradise. See Suras 3:157-158, 3:169-171, 3:194-195, 4:74, 4:94-97, 22:58-59, 52:17-23, 56:10-38. Also see Bukhari 4:63, 72, 80, 85, 137, 175, 216, 266. So the killing of non-Muslims offers the religion's highest reward.

Muhammad personally led at least 27 bloody invasions (some say more than 60) and ordered his followers to wage many more. Muhammad assassinated many of his opponents during his lifetime. In his battle against the Quraiza Jews, women and children were sold into slavery, and hundreds of captured men were executed. Even some of his own people were horrified

Fundamentalism: Contrasting Christianity and Islam Fundamentalism Defined Similarities between Christianity and Islam Overall Tone of the Two Religions Treatment of Women The Nature of God The Nature of Man Salvation Heaven The Quran The Hadiths The Bible Jesus and Muhammad Summary and Invitation Recommended Resources and Bibliography Fundamentalism Defined The term fundamentalist has come to be a pejorative term. However, it need not be. Fundamentalism is a synonym for orthodoxy. A religious fundamentalist is one who is faithful to the tenets of his religion. It is common today to profess or practice a religion in ways that are not orthodox. There are, for example, nominal Christians, nominal Muslims, or nominal Jews, etc. They take on the label of the religion, but not the beliefs or practices. They may even attend worship services, but in their own mind reject many of the core beliefs. To get an understanding of Christianity and Islam, we consider irrelevant what Sally and Omar may improvise about their respective religions. Anybody can make up their own religion, for example, by taking from the Bible whatever they want and tearing out the pages they don't want. But this is disingenuous, hypocritical, eternally dangerous— and is probably heretical to whichever religion one claims allegiance. On what basis does one claim to know more about the religion than the founders of the religion themselves? We are interested in exploring here what the source documents say concerning these two major world religions, Christianity and Islam. That is, we will explore and compare the Bible and the Quran (plus the written traditions of Islam). As we compare orthodox (that is fundamental) Christianity and orthodox (fundamental) Islam, we hope to speak to a variety of audiences, including: Those people who sincerely want to learn more about these two religions. Most Christians know very little about Islam (the Muslim religion). Likewise, most Muslims have mistaken ideas about Christianity. Indeed, many people of both faiths do not even know enough about their own religion to validate its truth claims. We also are addressing those people who are under the false belief that all religions are equally valid, or that all religions lead to God. We will clearly show that Christianity and Islam are irreconcilable. Let us say this also at the outset. As noted on the home page of our website http://www.faithfacts.org, our organization is dedicated to exploring God through reason and evidence. Many people, including Christians, Muslims, atheists (or whoever) resist using reason and evidence. "Don't confuse me with the facts!" If you are in this camp, you may be wasting your time—even made uncomfortable—by reading this article. But if you are seriously interested in pursuing truth, the following discussion should be extremely interesting. Truth is discernible. At least, what is not true is discernible. Applying rules of logic, one can show that a truth-claim is not true by identifying arbitrariness or inconsistency in the claim. By using the same techniques as used in a court of law, one can determine truth beyond a reasonable doubt. Such techniques— in addition to using reason and evidence to verify facts— include an evaluation of witnesses (number of witness, motives of witnesses, corroboration of testimony, etc.) These same techniques are used to determine truth-claims in any discipline, including religious truth-claims. We offer detailed references from the Bible, the Quran, and the Bukhari Hadiths so that the interested reader can check the sources himself. We invite you to do so. Hadiths ("ahadiths") are written compilations ("traditions") of the sayings and actions of Muhammad. Muhammad's example and authority are prominent in Islam. The hadiths, along with the Quran, are meant to govern every aspect of life, including civil law. There are several collections of hadiths, but the one compiled by Bukhari (or "Al-Bukhari" or "Sahih Bukhari"), who lived 200 years after Muhammad, is considered very important, especially by Sunni Muslims. We will reference Bukhari primarily in our article, but will also reference the hadiths collected by "Sahih Muslim," who was a student of Bukhari. Some background for our non-Muslim readers might be helpful. There are several Muslim sects. Sunni Muslims represent about 85% of the world's Muslim population. The second largest sect is Shiite. There is disagreement among the various sects on some issues, not unlike theological disagreements among Christian denominations. Note: One thing that is confusing to English speaking people is that the English spelling of Arabic words is not standardized! For example, Moslem is a variant spelling for Muslim. The Bible, the Quran, and the hadiths are available online. One source for the Bible is http://bible.gospelcom.net/. There are several sources for the Quran and Hadiths online that can be found through a search engine. One source is http://www.answering-islam.org. The Quran is divided into 114 chapters called Suras. A designation of, for example, 10:1 means Sura 10, verse 1. The Bukhari Hadiths are divided into nine volumes, then various books, then hadiths by number. The numbering system is governed by the volumes, not the books. So, a designation of 5:416 means volume 5, hadith number 416. Bukhari is usually presented online in book order, so you might have to hunt for a few seconds to get the correct volume. It might help to use the following table. Here are the nine volumes, with the book number at which the volume begins being in parentheses: 1 (1), 2 (13), 3 (27), 4 (51), 5 (57), 6 (60), 7 (62), 8 (73), 9 (83). The Muslim Hadiths are numbered consecutively, uninterrupted for the entire collection. Similarities between Christianity and Islam Christians and Muslims have some beliefs in common. We both agree that there is one God who created the universe and is sovereign in the lives of men. We agree that God is the source of justice and morality. We agree that his ultimate justice is dispensed via life after death in heaven and hell. Fundamentalist Christians and fundamentalist Muslims both consider such things as pornography and licentious living as pollutants to society. In fact, one of the reasons for the strong negative reaction to western civilization in Muslim countries is the influence of such practices emanating from the west. But there are many things upon which we disagree. The points of disagreement touch on every important religious doctrine. Indeed, the disagreements are so severe as to be irreconcilable. We will look at these issues point by point. Overall Tone of the Two Religions Most Muslims are exceptionally gracious and peace-loving people. And Islam has many elements of peacefulness in it. However, anyone who wants to commit violence has perfect justification for doing so from the Quran. While violence in the Quran is sometimes for self-defense; at other times it is open-ended. Many passages in the Quran exhort Muslims to kill infidels (non-Muslims) wherever they find them. See Suras 2:190-193, 2:216, 4:76, 5:32-36, 8:12-14, 8:39, 8:59, 8:65, 9:5, 9:14, 9:23-29, 9:38-41, 9:123, 47:4, 47:35, 61:4, and 66:9. Usama bin Laden in the now famous videotape discovered in Afghanistan in late 2001 is quoted as saying, "I was ordered to fight the people until they say there is no god but Allah, and his prophet Muhammad." These words echo language in the Quran itself. But the Quran is not the only basis for violence in Islam. The example of Muhammad himself laid the foundation for violence via his deeds and commands, which are found in the hadiths. Eleven percent of the pages of the Bukhari Hadiths mention Holy War (jihad). Military jihad is a traditional and authentic part of Islam. There are two meanings for jihad. One meaning is a personal spiritual aspect to kill sinful desires. It also means to use violence to spread the faith. Muslims are taught that those who fight and die in a jihad have their sins forgiven, and they are rewarded with a sensual and luxurious life in paradise. See Suras 3:157-158, 3:169-171, 3:194-195, 4:74, 4:94-97, 22:58-59, 52:17-23, 56:10-38. Also see Bukhari 4:63, 72, 80, 85, 137, 175, 216, 266. So the killing of non-Muslims offers the religion's highest reward. Muhammad first claimed to have a vision from God in the year 610 AD. The first 13 years of his ministry were marked by peaceful preaching in the city of Mecca. During this period Muhammad seems to have been a well-meaning man who sought to oppose paganism and evil in his day. However, in the year 623 he became a political leader in the city of Medina. With his political power came a new aggressive behavior. He attacked pagan caravans and used the sword to spread his religion. Muhammad personally led at least 27 bloody invasions (some say more than 60) and ordered his followers to wage many more. Muhammad assassinated many of his opponents during his lifetime. In his battle against the Quraiza Jews, women and children were sold into slavery, and hundreds of captured men were executed. Even some of his own people were horrified. The tradition of violence in Islam, which started with Muhammad, continues to this day. There is worldwide evidence that some Muslims kill or otherwise persecute people solely for being non-Muslims. This is well documented in Nigeria, Algeria, Sudan (where modern slavery is documented), Egypt, Iran, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and Malaysia. One source for some of the evidence on this can be found in the video series listed below (hour 6 of the 8-hour program). You could also email the speakers on the video at cdebater@aol.com for further documentation.

According to the organization the Voice of the Martyrs (website http://www.vom.org or search for Voice of the Martyrs) 160,000 Christians are killed annually because of their faith— the vast majority being killed by Muslims. If Islam claims to be a religion of peace, why is there so much oppression in every Muslim country?

In the audio tape series listed at the end of this essay, Abdul Saleeb quotes from a PBS Frontline documentary called "Saudi Time Bomb?" According to the program, Saudi Arabian Ministry of Education textbooks contained, as of the year 2000, a most disturbing teaching. The teaching, which is from the hadiths (Bukhari 4:176-177) as taught by Muhammad himself, is required instruction for all middle school children in Saudi Arabia. The teaching which is entitled "The Victory of Muslims Over Jews," says:

"The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews, and the Muslims will kill them. So Jews would hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and trees would call, 'Oh, Muslim. Oh, Servant of God. There is a Jew behind me. Come and kill him.' "

Included with the text is a list of principles, including the following:

"Jews and Christians are the enemies of believers. They will never approve of the Muslims. Beware of them."

Contrast this with chritianity:
Jesus warned, "The time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God" (John 16:2-4). While these words were spoken to his disciples, they have a powerful ring today

There is nothing like the Christian concept of "love your enemies" or "turn your other cheek" (Luke 6:27-37) found in Islam. While Christianity says to love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 19:19), the Quran instructs its followers not to even take Christians or Jews as friends (Suras 3:118, 5:51, 64, 60:1-3)!

Another interesting point is that the Islamic concept of charity is different from the Christian concept. Muslims are required to give alms to the poor, but only to the Muslim poor. In this way, the Muslim's remaining wealth is purified. The biblical concept of charity is not limited to any group. In fact, Jesus used illustrations that encouraged helping those outside the faith (Luke 10:30-37).

One commonly hears in the press that Islam is a religion of peace. This is true only in one sense— peace will come when all competing religions have been brought into submission to Islam (Sura 9:29). Muslims who say Islam is a religion of peace, can only say so by ignoring or rationalizing away its violent commands.

"Amanda": He had marriages, he had kids, he was on this earth to teach people the religion of islam.

Queer sort of "family man":

Muhammad married his daughter-in-law Zainab (Bukhari 9:516-518). He arranged for his adopted son Zaid to divorce Zainab so he could marry her. The divorce was prompted by the prophet's admiration for Zainab's beauty. Faced with the refusal of Zaid to dissolve his marriage, Muhammad had another convenient revelation from Allah, which not only commanded Zaid to give up his wife to Muhammad, but also decreed that there was no evil in a father-in-law taking his daughter-in-law away from his own adopted son (Sura 33:36-38).

Outside of becoming the bloodiest murderers in the world, what has the Muslim world done lately?

It would be more accurate to say that the Arabs were civilized by the more advanced cultures they conquered, just like the Romans before them and the Mongols after them.

It could be argued that Islam succeeded in Persia and Damascus only because they were very united and their opponents were incapable of coming together to defeat the Arab armies.

The Arabs had the luck of being united by Mohammad just as the Byzantines and Persians were bleeding each other white in a twenty-year war. If he had come along a generation earlier or a generation later, the Arabs would have been pushed back (and quickly returned to their usual internicine sqabbling).

Arabs Once Dominated Science

No, they didn't. Muslims conquered various countries, mostly via proxies who then sent the tributes back to their Muslim bosses (then largely Arab--until the rise of the Turks). In many of these countries, the science and math continued in spite of the Muslim-backed invasion and takeover. The scientific and mathematical discoveries continued in spite of, not because of, Islam.

BS!

There is a profound difference between "controlling" science and controlling (and not sharing) the accumulated knowledge about the sciences done by others.

"That and the lack of "kill the non-believers" in the Bible. Why do you keep avoiding that?"

I'm not avoiding that, yes the koran says that, but do any of you have the slightest idea of why its in there?....i thought so. It seems thats the only reason you guys hate the koran, hate prophet Muhammed, and hate the religion of islam. It says that because when prophet Muhammed was spreading the religion of islam around, and these "non believers" despised the religion and prophet muhammed and everything that had to do with it. Prophet Muhammed was told by god to kill these people "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be stern against hem. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed" (9:73). Prophet Muhammed didnt just wake up one day and decide to kill people, he was told by god, and he listened, which is the right thing to do(Not kill non believers but to listen to god). If someone attacks you are you not going to attack back?

Prophet muhammed's marriage to ayesha was because when Prophet Muhammed was aging, angel gabrielle showed him his wife in heaven, and she was similiar to Ayesha, god told prophet Muhammed to marry Ayesha and teach her everything you know. We all know the learning age for a person is age 6-18, when he first got together with ayesha she was 6-7, they lived together for about 15 years, and they never had sex. He taught her everything he knew so when he'd pass away she would be the person everyone would go to if they had questions. when he died she was known as the "mother of believers" she was the person that would carry on the religion of islam. He didnt marry her for his pleasure, get a grip.