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U.S. aircraft attack Fallujah (AC130 deployed)
Associated Press via Globe and Mail (Toronto) ^

Posted on 04/09/2004 8:33:32 PM PDT by Clive

Fallujah, Iraq - A U.S. AC-130 gunship raked Iraqi insurgents Friday night after hundreds of women and children fled the besieged city Fallujah during a U.S.-declared pause in the marine offensive.

On the anniversary of the fall of captive Iraqi president Saddam Hussein's regime, Baghdad and parts of central Iraq were chaotic.

At a square in the capital where Saddam's statue was toppled a year ago, soldiers took down a new icon: pictures of the radical Shiite Muslim cleric whose followers have risen up against coalition forces in the south.

Gunmen running rampant on Baghdad's western edge attacked a fuel convoy, killing a U.S. soldier and an Iraqi driver and causing a fiery explosion. Two U.S. soldiers and an unknown number of civilians were missing after the attack and 12 people were injured, Pentagon officials said. Another U.S. soldier was killed in an attack on a base elsewhere in the capital and large groups of insurgents battled U.S. troops in two cities to the north, Baqouba and Muqdadiyah.

One marine was killed in Fallujah and another wounded in exchanges of fire after U.S. forces called a halt to offensive operations in the city, a spokesman said.

The death - along with those of three marines a day earlier announced Friday - brought the toll of U.S. troops killed across Iraq this week to 46. The fighting has killed more than 460 Iraqis - including more than 280 in Fallujah, a hospital official said. At least 647 U.S. soldiers have died in Iraq since the war began in March 2003.

Meanwhile, a spokesman for radical Shiite Muslim cleric Muqtada al-Sadr denied Friday his militia was involved in the kidnapping of three Japanese and threats to burn them alive.

"We condemn such acts and we pray for their release," Amer al-Husseini said.

The three Japanese captives were among at least five foreigners being held by militants in unknown locations around the country.

The others were two humanitarian aid workers, including a Syrian-born Canadian citizen, Fadi Ihsan Fadel, 33, and an Arab resident of Jerusalem. A Briton was also reported missing.

Mr. Fadel, whose parents live in Montreal, worked for the New York City-based International Rescue Committee, a non-governmental organization, was abducted early Wednesday morning from the IRC residence in Najaf.

For the first time, U.S. troops moved in strength into the heartland of the rebellion by al-Sadr's militia. More than 1,000 troops backed by tanks pushed into the southern city Kut, retaking police stations and government buildings seized this week by Shiite gunmen.

Elsewhere, fighting with al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia diminished. Coalition forces largely left gunmen in firm control in three cities of south-central Iraq and farther south, coalition troops have largely succeeded in taming the uprising, though Italian troops still saw light fighting in Nasiriyah.

In Fallujah, marines halted their assault on insurgents to allow U.S.-picked Iraqi leaders — angry at the United States over the bloodshed from five days of heavy fighting — to hold talks with city leaders about how to reduce the violence.

Throughout the afternoon, fighting was reduced to sporadic gunfire. But when night fell, heavy explosions resumed as an AC-130 gunship strafed targets and soldiers and insurgents engaged in a mortar battle.

The AC-130 hit a cave near Fallujah where insurgents took refuge after attacking marines. A laser-guided bomb also struck the cave, said spokesman 1st Lieut. Eric Knapp.

Iraq's top U.S. administrator, Paul Bremer, said the unilateral pause was also aimed at allowing humanitarian aid to enter the city and Fallujah residents to tend to their dead.

Many families, emerging from their homes for the first time in days, buried slain relatives in the city football stadium.

A stream of hundreds of cars carrying women, children and elderly headed out of the city after Marines announced they would be allowed to leave. Families pleaded to be allowed to take out men, and when Marines refused, some entire families turned back.

The heavy fighting in Fallujah - during which mosques have been damaged and buildings demolished - has made the city of 200,000 a symbol of resistance for some Iraqis and threatens to divide the Iraqi Governing Council and the U.S. administration that appointed it.

Military hesitation over the halt in fighting was clear. After initially being ordered to cease all offensive operations, marines quickly demanded and received permission to launch assaults to prevent attacks if needed.

"We said to them (the commanders): 'We are going to lose people if we don't go back on offensive ops.' So we got the word," marine Maj. Pete Farnun said.

Brig.-Gen. Mark Kimmitt underlined talks between two Governing Council members and sheiks and clerics representing Fallujah representatives were not negotiations, suggesting the military would not be making concessions. U.S. officials were not participating in the talks, which began Friday.

The Governing Council early Saturday issued a statement demanding an end to military action and "collective punishment" - a reference to the Fallujah siege.

Abdul-Karim Mahoud al-Mohammedawi, a Shiite on the Governing Council, announced he was suspending his council seat until "the bleeding stops in all Iraq." He also met Friday with al-Sadr, whom U.S. commanders have threatened to capture.

A Sunni council member, Ghazi al-Yawer, said he would quit if the Fallujah talks fell through.

One of the strongest pro-U.S. voices on the council, also a Sunni, Adnan Pachachi, denounced the U.S. siege.

"It was not right to punish all the people of Fallujah and we consider these operations by the Americans unacceptable and illegal," Mr. Pachachi told Al-Arabiya TV.

Meanwhile, in a signal of how U.S. forces face a new enemy in Iraq, two pictures of Mr. al-Sadr hung from a sculpture in Baghdad's central Firdos Square, where one year ago Marines toppled a statue of Saddam.

A U.S. soldier climbed a ladder to tear down the posters, and the military warned that Mr. al-Sadr's followers were planning bomb attacks in the area. Hours later, a mortar hit nearby, shaking two hotels where foreign journalists and contractors are staying.

U.S. troops drove into Kut before dawn Friday, pushing out members of Mr. al-Sadr's al-Mahdi Army militia that seized the southern textile and farming centre this week after Ukrainian troops abandoned the city under heavy attack.

A U.S. helicopter struck Mr. al-Sadr's main office in Kut, killing two people, witnesses said. Americans were patrolling the streets during daylight.

Kimmitt said he expected the operation to retake Kut would be finished by Saturday morning.

"We are fairly comfortable that the town of al-Kut is well on its way to coming back under coalition control," he said.

Still, he suggested a move against Mr. al-Sadr's militia controlling parts of Najaf and Karbala would have to wait, because hundreds of thousands of Shiite pilgrims are in the area this weekend for al-Arbaeen, which commemorates the end of the period of mourning for a 7th-century martyred saint.

"We expect that those special cities that are currently observing the Arbaeen will continue to have some al-Sadr presence," he said.

Mr. Al-Sadr demanded Friday that U.S. forces leave Iraq, saying they now face "a civil revolt."

"I direct my speech to my enemy Bush and I tell him...you are fighting the entire Iraqi people," Mr. al-Sadr said in a sermon, delivered by one of his deputies at the Imam Ali Shrine in Najaf, Shiite Islam's holiest site.

Mr. Al-Sadr, a young, firebrand anti-U.S. cleric, is thought to be holed up in his office in Najaf, protected by scores of gunmen. He has said he is willing to die resisting any attempt to capture him.

Gunmen on the highway outside the capital Baghdad were seen stopping a car carrying two western civilians — apparently security guards, because both had sidearms. The gunmen pulled the men from the car, firing at the ground to warn them to obey. Their fate was not known.

The heavy fighting for Fallujah was prompted by the March 31 slaying of four U.S. security guards. Their burned bodies were mutilated and dragged through the streets by a mob that hung two of them from a bridge.


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To: GeronL
http://www.ac-119gunships.com/welcome.htm

Here's a link.

61 posted on 04/09/2004 10:07:21 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Rockpile; Clive
I saw a documentary that said they were a little underpowered, but VERY effective.
62 posted on 04/09/2004 10:07:34 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: Travis McGee
I agree in no uncertain terms.

I do believe that western civilization hangs in the balance. As goes Iraq, so goes western society in the long run.

If we cannot get Iraq under control and turn over a stable nation in a couple of years, terrorism will advance and be with us on our own soil.

The democrats are playing a very dangerous game right now. It verges on treason. They are undercutting a very serious effort to make the world a stable safe place to live. If they screw the pooch here, the domino principle will very definately be evident IMO.
63 posted on 04/09/2004 10:08:00 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Thanks for posting this
64 posted on 04/09/2004 10:08:32 PM PDT by packrat35 (reality is for people who can't face science fiction)
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To: Dalan
'We are going to lose people if we don't go back on offensive ops.' So we got the word," marine Maj. Pete Farnun said.
Good news. NONE of our troops should be losing their lives because they are not allowed to fight.
65 posted on 04/09/2004 10:11:27 PM PDT by Libertina (He is Risen - He is Risen Indeed!)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
I read that we have a nonlethal microwave weapon on it's way to Iraq that heats exposed flesh.Sounds like for riot control.

The first reports of it's use should prove interesting.

66 posted on 04/09/2004 10:14:02 PM PDT by Free Trapper (Because we ate the green mammals first.)
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To: Clive
Maybe they will learn a good lesson. "Don't mess with the US and don't hide those who do." I think the whole town needs to be taken out. and besides...they started it by the cowardly, craven attack on people who were there to help them and they deserve all that they get.
67 posted on 04/09/2004 10:14:17 PM PDT by tiki
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To: flashbunny
I believe it was none other than General Curtis LeMay that started the USAF down the road of developing these sorts of potent weapons. He was a classic, the Patton of the Air Force.
68 posted on 04/09/2004 10:14:34 PM PDT by A Jovial Cad ('In vino veritas!')
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To: Clive; bayourod
"The technique is a pilon turn so that the side firing guns can stay aimed at the target."


There is a pretty slick aiming system behind that weapon.

This was lifted from theaviationzone.com

"A multi-mode strike radar provides extreme long-range target detection and identification. It is able to track 40mm and 105mm projectiles and return pinpoint impact locations to the crew for subsequent adjustment to the target. The fire control system offers a Dual Target Attack capability, whereby two targets up to one kilometer apart can be simultaneously engaged by two different sensors, using two different guns. No other air-ground attack platform in the world offers this capability.

Targeting equipment installed in the gunship includes an advanced All-Light Level Television (ALLTV) system with a laser illuminator, laser target designator, laser range finder, infrared detection set, and night vision goggles for the pilots. Navigational devices include the inertial navigation system (INS) and global positioning system (GPS).

The side-firing weapons array consists of one 25mm GAU-12 Gatling gun (firing 1,800 rounds per minute), one 40mm L60 Bofors cannon (with a selectable firing rate of single shot or 120 rounds per minute) and one 105mm M-102 Howitzer cannon (firing 6 to 10 rounds per minute). Defensive systems include a countermeasures dispensing system that releases chaff and flares to counter radar infrared-guided antiaircraft missiles. Also, infrared heat shields mounted underneath the engines disperse and hide engine heat sources from infrared-guided antiaircraft missiles."

69 posted on 04/09/2004 10:16:48 PM PDT by UnChained
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To: GeronL
One of my brothers has an in-law who was one of the C 119 crewmen who hauled the balloons into the cargo bay inflight after they had carried camera packages across the Soviet Union in the 1950s.

They had some kind of y-shaped arms on the front of the plane and the pilots would fly right at the cables and catch the balloon and the instrument pod would trail to the rear where he would catch the thing's cords and pull it in. He wore a harness so he could remain "as one" with the plane :}

70 posted on 04/09/2004 10:17:06 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: Rockpile
!! Thats the same way they captured the film cannisters from the Corona satellites isn't it?
71 posted on 04/09/2004 10:19:49 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: river rat
This article claims the Iraqi
Gov. Council has turned against
us & demands we stop going after
these enemy(Fallujah + Sadr).

Can you address this?
72 posted on 04/09/2004 10:20:05 PM PDT by txrangerette
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To: river rat
What we have here is the "Tet Offensive Part Two." The Tet Offensive was a total and absolute disaster and defeat of the NVR (North Vietnamese Regulars meaning the Army of North Vietnam and not the Viet Cong). The United States Military Forces did have many causalities. The Army of North Vietnam was totally devasted. However, the media (and in particular Walter Cronkite of CBS) portrayed the Tet Offensive as a great victory for North Vietnam.

Today in Iraq we have the same scenario occurring. The United States of America is kicking the butts off the bad guys and the media is trying to portray it as a loss. PS General Giap of the Army of North Vietnam has openly admitted that without the Anti War Protest from groups like Vietnam Veterans Against the War that North Vietnam would have lost the war.

73 posted on 04/09/2004 10:24:46 PM PDT by cpdiii (Oil Field Trash, Geologist, Pharmacist (REFUSE TO ATTEND A GUNFIGHT WITH A CAL. LESS THAN FORTY))
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To: AgentEcho
I firmly believe aviation would not be the same today without the 3.

So do I. The DC-3/C-47/Dakota was more than the sum of its parts.

74 posted on 04/09/2004 10:31:13 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: DoughtyOne
If they screw the pooch here, the domino principle will very definately be evident IMO.

Amen to all that.

75 posted on 04/09/2004 10:37:52 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Clive
buried slain relatives in the city football stadium.

Don't throw your shovel away yet, Habib..... yer gonna have a few more relatives to plant before we're done with ya!

76 posted on 04/09/2004 10:39:49 PM PDT by Gerasimov (Who put all that sand on top of OUR oil, anyway?)
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To: Clive
You gotta love the AC130, but there is another weapon about to be used ... a new secret weapon. Not much has be said about this weapon, but it is a non-destructive weapon that renders Islamic terrorists inoperable and mosques unusable. The weapons program has been a carefully gaurded secret, based in a remote corner of Kirtland Air Force Base in New Mexico. Sandia National Laboratories and Boeing have spearheaded in what is being called a first in weapons programs. What is amazing is the amount of time spend on the program. The development started in May, 2003 and has moved from drawing boards, to prototype, to deployment in Iraq.

Based on the KC-135 Stratotanker, the new weapon, has the designation of PF-135. Military sources have refused to publicly acknowledge the development of the PF-135. Sources close to the weapons program have stated that development was able to proceed at a "blistering" pace due to the relative few modifications to the KC-135.

Sandia Labs, in conjuction with an unnamed and secret Los Alamos project, have been able to quickly adapt the world's smallest and most stable nuclear reactor as a power plant. While development efforts existed in the 1950's for nuclear powered aircraft, this project bears no relation. According to unnamed sources, the nuclear power plant is not used to power the aircraft, but to be an internal heat source.

There is much speculation over exactly how the new weapon system will work. One project scientist, with an PhD in Astro Physics from Cal Tech, and a PhD in Theology from Liberty University, has stated that the weapon will completely render any Muslim terrorist or Muslim place of worship inoperable. Information obtained in deep background, which only today has allowed be released in this exclusive report, may reveal just how this weapon fuctions. The new aircraft designation, PF, stands for "Pig Fat". It is speculated that the aircraft's power plant literally renders pig fat, which in turn when dumped from the aircraft will render any Muslim or Muslim place of worship inoperative.

77 posted on 04/09/2004 10:40:24 PM PDT by PattonReincarnated (Rebuild the Temple)
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To: GeronL
!! Thats the same way they captured the film cannisters from the Corona satellites isn't it?

I think so though the satellites came later. Of course they would be using parachutes instead of balloons.

78 posted on 04/09/2004 10:52:45 PM PDT by Rockpile
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To: PattonReincarnated
very funny.
79 posted on 04/09/2004 10:56:56 PM PDT by GeronL (Hey, I am on the internet. I have a right (cough, cough) to write stupid things.)
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To: DoughtyOne
We're in a very unpredictable phase. So many variables and unknowns could lead to a Kerry victory, and then total disaster.
80 posted on 04/09/2004 11:01:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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