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7 U.S. Soldiers killed in Iraq (April 4th)
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Posted on 04/04/2004 2:06:10 PM PDT by Gringo1

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:39:26 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: mr.pink
uh...we WERE greeted as liberators by a large portion of Iraqis - FR had the pics.
61 posted on 04/04/2004 3:12:17 PM PDT by The Right Stuff
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To: BJClinton
I agree that he may be an Iranian ally. I'm not so sure your 'after the US leave' assessment is dead on. Any government installed by the US will be destroyed as soon as we leave, if it's radical subjects are left armed to the teeth. At least that's my take.

Thanks for the comments.
62 posted on 04/04/2004 3:12:24 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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Geez, Baghdad, Fallujah, Ramadi, and Habbinayah will be the hardest for the coalition forces to crack down the insurgency.

Mosul, Tikrit, Sammarra, and Baquoba have been pretty much taken care of.

63 posted on 04/04/2004 3:14:02 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: lelio
Oh sir. Maybe this will explain something – no offense :}

When Mongols attacked Baghdad in 13 century these people were already Muslims. He level city to a ground and do you know why -- because they revolt against him.

I am not for blood shed, however understand, soon or later gloves will be off. We have soldiers being killed, do you hear condemnation form sheiks, especially from Saudis. You don't and you won't.

This is like trenches WWI. Come on.

Four guys got burned to a ground, at same time 5 other American soldiers where killed, and then today 4 El Salvador soldiers were killed. And what is media reporting and showing their tears for; 20 killed and almost more the 100 wounded by coalition forces when they open a fire.

So who is playing game? It seems that our soldier’s deaths are only use for media for their propaganda to put us down.

Other thing I would like to mention. Any time USA forces have plan, somehow media is on top of and spill information of what our moves will be, somehow you don't hear what AQ, or terrorist moves are after they blow up a city or trains.

This game of cat and catch does not work. My grandma lived through a lot, and trust me if she was still a life, she would be able to make a lot of history books writers look like a total fools. And that is a fact.

In order to win this war, you cannot think in XXI century mentality. I know it sounds rough, but I know from history what I am talking about.

Soon or later gloves will have to come off. Face it we are dealing with people who don't care what you do or if you homily etc. Their only goal is - to hit you and create havoc and destroy your way of life.

I hope my friend you will see wider picture of what is really going on. It is much wider then war in pacific or any war we have faced before.

God Bless
Bogdan
64 posted on 04/04/2004 3:14:24 PM PDT by bogdanPolska12
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To: river rat
If our leaders did not forsee the local Islamic clerics, Iran, Syria or Saudi Arabia sicking their filthy noses and hands into the stew of Iraq........ then our leaders did not have a "plan"...

Sure they would have foreseen it, they're not stupid, and they get input from the best and brightest. It's just that violence directly against Americans had dropped off in the last three months or so, only to have this sudden and what would have to be, in the long range view, unexpected flare-up here in the last week.

I'm just wondering if it indicates a renewed vigor on the part of the jihadists, and possibly a new offensive. Relatively speaking, they were licking their wounds following their offensive during Ramadan, up until now anyway.

It's also worth noting that this is going on simultaneous to a lot of troop rotation in and out of Iraq. That could be a factor somehow.

65 posted on 04/04/2004 3:15:00 PM PDT by squidly (I have always felt that a politician is to be judged by the animosity he excites among his opponents)
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To: lelio
spreading democracy

These people are demonstrating that they aren't ready for democracy, and in spite of all the "feel-good" rhetoric, it comes as no surprise. The best we can hope for is to create the conditions that lead to the beginnings of democracy -- with a fist in a velvet glove.

When you're dealing with a violent mobocracy, compromise doesn't work. It's like trying to reason with a rabid skunk.

As far as ticking off Muslims that aren't angry at us, wait five minutes, and they'll find another excuse. We can't spend the rest of the century tiptoeing through the tulips of Islamic insanity.

Now, where are those microwave weapons? Sadr's followers need to be lightly toasted.

66 posted on 04/04/2004 3:15:47 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: Gringo1
looks to me like our boys are getting ready to kill hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.....hope not but it could come to that..
68 posted on 04/04/2004 3:16:42 PM PDT by Getsmart64 (LANTIRN - Designed to kill, maim, and destroy ....America's enemies...)
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To: Shermy
when the transfer of power happens Sadr is going to have even less influence than he did before, other clerics are not going to back him at all. This is his power play move now so the coalition will bargain with him.
69 posted on 04/04/2004 3:16:50 PM PDT by Pikamax
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To: Gringo1
we need to get more special ops guys in there so we can killed these terrorists
70 posted on 04/04/2004 3:17:41 PM PDT by Mo1 (Do you want a president who injects poison into his skull for vanity?)
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To: squidly
April 9th will be the 1-year anniversary of the liberation of Baghdad.
71 posted on 04/04/2004 3:19:32 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: river rat
lunatic Islamic militants being whacked...

No boubt there. I would go as far as to say most Americans would cheer at "lunatic Islamic militants being whacked". But it wouldn't just be the militants; it would Abdul Sixpack refusing to give up his guns in the same way I would refuse to give up mine. That's what the American public would not stomach.

Additionally, they'll need those guns to fend of their fellow Muslims once we're gone.
72 posted on 04/04/2004 3:20:21 PM PDT by BJClinton (France has elevated their threat level from "run" to "hide".)
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To: rupturedtoad
There is the least amount of that going on R than compared to any other war.

In fact, more die in big cities a year in America than all the dying in war in Iraq!

What do you advocate?
73 posted on 04/04/2004 3:20:25 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Gringo1
Does this mean it's not just a few foreigners and die hard baathists doing this now?
74 posted on 04/04/2004 3:21:05 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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Pretty much 90% of Iraq is stable.

That dang 10% is a tough nut to crack.

75 posted on 04/04/2004 3:21:51 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: DoughtyOne
After re-reading my post I guess it sounded like "cut-n-run". I meant leave after the govt' is established and can defend themselves.
76 posted on 04/04/2004 3:22:32 PM PDT by BJClinton (France has elevated their threat level from "run" to "hide".)
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To: Gringo1
As we get closer to June 30, the scale and ferocity of the attacks will increase. It is no accident that the Spanish contingent was attacked. This is a coordinated attempt to influence US public opinion that must defeated. If Kerry put our national interests ahead of his political ambition, he would issue a statement strongly condemning the attacks and stating that he supports the President's position of staying the course.
77 posted on 04/04/2004 3:26:33 PM PDT by kabar
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To: DoughtyOne
One problem is that the US is looking at Iraq as a localized war. The fact is that it is a war taking up by the Arab and Islamic world. They are sending arms, people, and most importantly using their ideology and totalitarian states to brainwash people in their own countries against the war. The US needs to declare enemy also those terror regimes from the outside of Iraq who are flocking to Iraq to murder Americans and could care less about the former Baathist state.
78 posted on 04/04/2004 3:27:21 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I agree with you. This thread is getting to emotional and to personal.

I am going to eat something and watch tv for a while.

God Bless
Bogdan

79 posted on 04/04/2004 3:30:18 PM PDT by bogdanPolska12
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To: river rat
I thought it seemed nice that the Iraqis were able to demonstrate (probably for the first time in their lives for some), but when they use violence, that wouldn't even be accepted in the U.S. or many other countrys.

The news organization that was inciting violence was shut down.

The clerics who continue to do such need to be shut down also (in whatever manner is neccesary).

80 posted on 04/04/2004 3:30:28 PM PDT by easonc52
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