[Congressman Billybob]

I hope FReepers will read both this and next week's column which will suggest a solution to the homosexual marriage problem. It will include a proposed Interpretation Clause to be added to the Maqrriage Amendment.

Enjoy.

[Unam Sanctam]

I wrote to my congressman in favor of a Constitutional amendment to prevent the government from promoting homosexual activity through civil gay marriage, stressing that it was not about freedom, since gay marriage will not allow homosexuals to do anything they can currently do. He wrote back with the canard that he does not support "discrimination". Discrimination is not the issue, but rather the government promoting activity that poses a complex moral problem that people have a right to have different views on. The government should be neutral on homosexual activity, not promote it.

[tpaine]

in the United States, first in its colonies and later in its states, the definition of marriage for almost four centuries has been one man with one woman.
The only exception to this was among the early Mormons, who accepted polygamy.
However, after Congress passed the Mann Act which criminalized polygamy and was upheld in the Supreme Court, the Mormon Church changed its definition of marriage to the classical one.
-billybobby-


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Bob-billy , you really should do a little research before pontificating on history..
The Mormon Church "changed their definition"/mind about separation of church & state back in the 1890's, in order to get Utah admitted as a State in the Union.

Congress rightly refused them statehood until they could come up with an acceptable state constitution that supported a republican form of government, -- rather than a theocracy.

[Redcoat LI]

"Kerry had not applied his “enormous” intellect"

An enormous head does not neccissarily mean an enormous intellect.

After all,what self respecting J.F.K impersonator would go to Yale? A blueblood,(his grandmother was a Winthrop) who can't get into Harvard raises red flags around here.

Tedward Kennedy got in,but he couldn't,not only is he more liberal,he's stupider.

[Eastbound]

Excellent essay! Re: next week's solutions, check out this one.

[Sloth]

A telling moment (maybe one of only two that occurred) during the last debate for the Democrat candidates for President in New York yesterday, was an exchange between Dan Rather and John Kerry. Three times Rather asked, “What is wrong with gay marriage?” Three times Kerry ducked the question, and rambled on about civil unions.

Rather actually *asked* that? I'm impressed. I've been wanting somebody in the press to ask that.

[JLS]

Actually you are making the error of confusing discriminating with being univerally bad. For example your mom [or you wife] certainly hope you are discriminating about who you spend the night with.

In addition, there is basically not discrimination in marriage in the US. Any two people of the opposite sex can marry and gain the benefits and costs associated with it. If you are a homosexual and want to get married, you certainly may. There is no discrimination, you just have to marry, ie a person of the opposite sex, to get married if you are homosexual or heterosexual. The only discrimmination concerning marriage in the US has to do with age and certain genetic relationships. You must be a certain age which various by state. You must not marry too close a relative.

But there is no test of religion, race, economic standing, etc to be married in the US. No one really even cares how two people getting married plan to sexually gratify each other or themselves. People generally assume the married couple will be sexual together, but that is not a requirement. It does give you spouse grounds for anullment if you are a homosexual, but you can get married. So this is not an issue of discrimination.

[JohnHuang2]

Congressman Billybob MEGA PING!!

[MeekOneGOP]

About the Author: John Armor is an author and columnist on politics and history. He currently has an Exploratory Committee to run for Congress.

Run, Congressman Billybob, run !!!

Excellent article/analysis on Homosexual Marriage. Thanks!

Is THIS Discrimination?

Excerpt:

Apparently, the good Senator [Kennedy] has not read any of his home state newspapers of late. He hadn’t noticed that the Supreme Judicial Court of Massachusetts had issued two rulings requiring that Commonwealth to issue marriage licenses to pairs of homosexuals, rewriting the state’s constitution to reach that result. The good Senator therefore did not comment on how President Bush and his eminence grise, Karl Rove, had engineered this action by four (of the seven) judges on that court to put the issue front and center, before the President took any position on that proposed amendment.

Nor did the assembled press that heard the Senator’s charge bother to ask him about how the President managed to get those four judicial democrats to rule that way, and with near- perfect timing for the 2004 presidential election. Add to that the follow-up action by the greenhorn Mayor of San Francisco, another Democrat apparently under the thumb of the Bush machine, to change the law of California on his own hook and issue thousands of “marriage” licenses to a parade of homosexuals from around the known universe.

The first thing of interest in the Lexington and Concord of this war is the absence of one word and the universal use of another. In a cultural war, it is words, not soldiers, who are killed and wounded in action. About 99.4 percent of this press coverage uses the word “gay” to describe these “marriages,” rather than homosexual. Homosexual is the accurate word, but gay has such a pleasant, Cole-Porterish implication, that it is substituted. So the word homosexual has been captured and is being held in a prisoner of war camp for the duration.

The word that is universally used is “discrimination.” This is the technique of the Big Lie. Say something long enough and loud enough, and people will begin to believe it, even if they would realize that it is false with only a few moments of reflection. The meaning of discrimination, which is absolutely essential to the life of the nation, as it is to the life of all citizens, is the subject of this column.

The popular press meaning (a false one) of the word “discrimination,” is: something unfair done to some identified group, which the government ought to correct. Both parts of this are assumptions in the mind of the person using the word – that the actions are unfair, and that the government is obligated to act. The actual meaning of “discrimination” from the Oxford English Dictionary is: perceiving, noting or making a distinction or difference between things; a distinction (made with the mind or in action).

Far from being a philosophical wrong, discrimination is essential to public and private life. Allow me to prove that point first, and then we can apply that concept to the issue of homosexual marriage ....

Please let me know if you want ON or OFF my General Interest ping list!. . .don't be shy.

[Aeronaut]

Billybob, as a Minnesota resident I have to correct you. It wouldnt be “Doris Does Duluth,” It would be "Dennis does Duluth." (I'm still waiting for the marriage parade to start up there.)

[mondonico]

bump for later

[FUMETTI]

I gag when I hear gays call their relationships "committed." Yeah, they should be committed...to Bellevue. Seriously, just because someone thinks they love someone of the same sex beyond family/friendship to include sexual contact, it no longer is love but in fact a perverse lust masquerading as love. Committed? Friends of the same sex can be committed to doing whatever they can to keep their friendship strong, but I don't think gay "marriage" will ever be totally accepted because, as the article says and what I have already maintained, it is not marriage at all and never will be. You can paint a rock gold but it essense it will never be anything more than a painted rock and not a gold nugget. Thus, gay "marriages" are nothing more than legalized jokes.

[Old Professer]

I don't care how good you can ride or what you paid for those boots and the hat, just get down off my pig.

[Sonny M]

You are the parents of a teenaged son. He shows up with a girlfriend who has a half dozen visible body piercings and possibly others not visible. She cheerfully notes that her movie credits include a low-budget release, “Doris Does Duluth.” Do you discourage that relationship?

I ditch my son and try and pick up the girl.

[King Prout]

Outstanding.

My thoughts on the issue: get government at all levels entirely out of the marriage business. bane the government from ever defining marriage in any way, shape or form - allow that power to revert to the People in the form of cultural tradition and religion.

Limit the government to issuing "Union" licenses - to ALL applicants. The license bears only on joint-property and inheritances.

Illustration:
Dick and Jane want to get hitched.
They go to their local courthouse and fill out an appication fro Union.
The JOP mumbles his arcane legalistic gobbledygook.
Poof - Dick and Jane are Unified.
As Dick and Jane are ardent Christians, they head down to the First Baptist Pentacostal Church of Christ to be *married*.
The preacher mumbles his arcane theological mumbojumbo.
POOF! Dick and Jane are now MARRIED.

meanwhile, across town...

Tom and Harry want to get hitched.
They go to their local courthouse and fill out an appication for Union.
The JOP mumbles his arcane legalistic gobbledygook.
Poof - Tom and Harry are Unified.
As Tom and Harry are ardent neopagans, they head down to the Grand Rebirth Universal House of Gaia to be *married*.
The priestess mumbles his arcane theological mumbojumbo.
POOF! Tom and Harry are now MARRIED.

Legal parity - to the extent and ONLY to the extent the government has any legitimate interest - is thus established.

Neither pair is denied the "right" to call themselves "married" - but neither side can use the government as a sledgehammer to force the OTHER pair to bow down and honor something they find repugnant.

[Rebellans]

Excellent article! This should be sent to every journalist and talking head in the nation.

[MissAmericanPie]

Homosexuals should be in prison, not running around in leather collars half nude in parades. Society has a right to determine what is preverse and illegal. Society has a right and a duty to promote it's own health and wellbeing.

Homosexuality was a crime in most states before activist judges got in on the act, as was abortion. For decades now we have endured judicial and federal social engineering to our detriment and harm. Congress better get off it's rear and begin to impeach or there will be another of a long list of reasons not to vote Republican.

[Fun Bob]

Kerry is being hateful and divisive!!

miserable failure miserable failure miserable failure miserable failure miserable failure

[P.O.E.]

"Discrimination" is another word ruined by the left (along with "gay", "compassion", etc.)

Used to be a good thing to be a person of discriminating tastes. Now it means you're a bigot because you disagree with me.

[Happy2BMe]

GAY MARRIAGE Unlawful - New Paltz, New York Police Chief's Summons (Actual Summons Pics)

D.A.: I'll arrest same-sex wedders - Says homosexuals committing frauds

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The War For The Soul Of America

QUEERLY BELOVED New York AG: Same-sex marriage illegal

Mayor facing charges for same-sex weddings>
Mayor Jason West

Another city backs same-sex marriage

Same-sex marriage comes to N.Y. town

Action filed to remove S.F. mayor, AG

Bush announces support for marriage amendment

Arnold: Terminate same-sex marriage

'Anarchy is breaking loose across America'

Same-sex wedding officiant 'arrested'

Faulty forms to void same-sex marriages?

Judges allow same-sex marriages to continue

Judge delays same-sex marriage ruling

Schwarzenegger urged to arrest S.F. mayor

Same-sex weddings proceed unhindered

Lawsuit challenges homosexual 'marriages'

San Francisco officials marry same-sex couple

San Francisco mayor defies 'gay'-marriage ban

60% of polled Americans: No homosexual marriage

It's 'gay' marriage in Massachusetts

Poll: Massachusetts opposes 'gay' marriage

'Gay' marriage ruling's consequences 'dire'

'Gay' marriage ban struck down in Massachusetts

Bush to block 'gay' marriage - Vatican also launches campaign to battle 'civil unions'

Poll suggests backlash on 'gay' issues

Court strikes down Texas sodomy law

Supreme Court hears 'right to sodomy' case

High court to give 'gays' their own 'Roe'?

[ATOMIC_PUNK]

Is this discrimination?

You are parents of a teen aged daughter. She shows up with a boyfriend who has hair down past his shoulders, is a college dropout, has no job and no apparent inclination to get one. Do you discourage her from possibly marrying that person?

Is this discrimination?

You are the parents of a teen aged son. He shows up with a girlfriend who has a half dozen visible body piercings and possibly others not visible. She cheerfully notes that her movie credits include a low-budget release, “Doris Does Duluth.” Do you discourage that relationship?

Being a Parent it would be obvious to me that if either on of these scenarios happened that as a parent i didn't do my job as well as i could have!

I have a Question ! There are two different candy bars one has white chocolate the other has dark chocolate if i prefer white chocolate over dark and choose to eat that candy bar over the dark one is that discrimination ?

Discrimination is about choices all choices weather it be people or products they are choices you as a person make we ALL discriminate everyday over many issues but government and the so called Leaders want to take those choices you make everyday away from you by using discrimination as a divisive and separating word!