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Giuliani: Bush's dream ticket
Scotland On Sunday ^ | 29 Feb 2004 | BEN MCCONVILLE IN NEW YORK

Posted on 02/29/2004 10:24:29 AM PST by aculeus

US PRESIDENT George Bush is ready to pull off the biggest shock of this year’s election campaign by naming Rudy Giuliani as his running mate at the Republican convention in Manhattan in September.

Giuliani remains the most popular politician in the US and speculation is mounting that Bush will announce the former New York mayor as his vice presidential candidate as the country marks the third anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

The Republican party has already carried out canvassing of voters to assess how much support Giuliani has across the country and, according to reports, received high levels of public support.

The public has not forgotten Giuliani’s stoic leadership in the dark days after 9/11, when his words and actions became a beacon for the American people.

Analysts believe Bush, who lags behind Democratic frontrunner Senator John Kerry in opinion polls, would benefit from tapping into Giuliani’s popularity.

Dozens of polls since 2001 have shown Giuliani to be the most popular politician in the US, even though he has not held public office since Michael Bloomberg took over the post of mayor of New York in 2002.

Leading commentator Al Neuharth, the man who created USA Today, said Bush would do what his father did not - namely dump his vice president, currently Dick Cheney.

Neuharth said the ideal time for the announcement would be at the Republican convention in September, commemorating 9/11 at Ground Zero.

Bringing Giuliani on board would be a massive boost for Bush, who is lining up to run as a ‘war President’, concentrating on the war on terror rather than the war in Iraq.

Neuharth said: "No one stirs us more on anti-terrorism than Giuliani, for his handling of the aftermath of the attacks on the World Trade Center while he was mayor of New York City.

"Bush and his political signal callers actually have tested Giuliani nationwide, during the 2002 mid-term elections and since. They like what they saw.

"Bush’s popularity has slipped sharply, and the election will be much closer than many thought a few months ago. The Bush administration will be under fire, particularly on Iraq."

He said losing Cheney and possibly defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld, could help protect Bush from criticism over Iraq. "They clearly were the hawks who helped Bush decide to go after Saddam Hussein," Neuharth said.

Republican activists expressed their admiration for Giuliani and said he could prove a major boost at the polls.

Jerry Roe, a Michigan historian and former state Republican Party executive director, said: "Let’s put it this way, I’d love to see Giuliani as vice president. I think Cheney’s health could be a factor. And then add up all the negatives on the Halliburton thing."

Bob Tennant, a Republican activist and associate editor of the Delcot Times, said many in the party would like to see Giuliani run.

He said: "You let your mind go numb, dream, and you could convince yourself it could possibly be true. "Giuliani is perhaps the guy the Republican National Committee secretly wishes could run for the Oval Office.

"He’s the Republican no Democrat could say anything negative about. He saved New York City. Twice. Once before 9/11, and once after."

Under the headline "NYers want Rudy back on duty", a poll in the New York Post last September revealed that 62% of voters across New York state wanted him to return to public service either as governor, senator or a return to mayor.

The poll showed he would beat Hillary Clinton in a race for senator of New York by 57% to 40%. There is also significant support for Giuliani as a Republican presidential candidate.

Cheney, has come under fire for his links to the firm Halliburton. He was its chief executive for five years and the firm was awarded multibillion dollar contracts for the reconstruction of Iraq.

Cheney is also in a poor state of health and, at the age of 63, has had four heart attacks. For the past three years a device in his chest has ensured his heart pumps normally.

In the White House he has an influential - some believe decisive - say on the strategic issues of the day, from long-term energy policy to invading Iraq.

But his leading role in foreign policy has left his fingerprints all over the hyping of intelligence about Iraqi weapons.

He visited the CIA several times before the war, and his chief of staff, Lewis ‘Scooter’ Libby, tried to persuade Colin Powell, the secretary of state, to ‘sex up’ the case against Saddam Hussein by sending him memos bursting with unsubstantiated claims.

Hardly a week passes without a new investigation into Halliburton’s operations in Iraq, from overcharging $61m for fuel deliveries to billing the government for thousands of soldiers who did not exist.

National Journal, the ultimate Washington insider’s magazine, this week put Cheney’s picture on its cover with the title: "Just the Ticket? Does having Dick Cheney as his running mate help or hurt George W Bush in 2004?"

A Time/CNN poll this month found that only 43% of Americans thought Cheney should be on the Republican election ticket.

Republican sources said that if Cheney considered himself to be a liability he would step down as vice president.

Bill Frist, the party leader in the Senate and a former doctor, has been suggested as a possible replacement. But Giuliani has the charisma, the finances and the backers within the Republican party.

He has so far declined to say whether he wants to return to public office, but has appeared to have been quietly canvassing support.

Since leaving the mayor’s office he has headed his own security consulting firm and has appeared as a regular pundit on cable news channels such of Fox News.

Barring a convenient capture of Osama bin Laden in October, Giuliani is Bush’s best hope of capturing a popular tide ahead of elections on November 2.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: New York
KEYWORDS: 2004; bushcheney2004; cheney; giuliani; gwb2004; rncconvention; rudy; rumor; veep
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To: aculeus
Mr. Giuliani did a great job as mayor of New York, but i don't think he's right for president or vice president. It's interesting that this article discounts Mr. Cheney because of health, but in 2000, Giuliani pulled out of a Senate race because of health, but Cheney was running for VP.
21 posted on 02/29/2004 10:49:33 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.yadvashem.org)
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To: aculeus
Gosh, what a lot of crap this is.

Giuliani would be a terrible addition to the Bush ticket, as anyone who is familiar with his pre-9/11 performance as mayor of New York would tell you. Yes, he was a very effective mayor -- but only because he was leading a city that was totally comfortable with the idea of living in a Marxist police state.

Hell -- if Giuliani were added to the Bush ticket, I would end up voting for a third party candidate in November.

22 posted on 02/29/2004 10:50:34 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: aculeus
Just MHO, but I believe there is a "plot" (tin foil hat time) to try to get Bush to dump Cheney.

People reason Cheney has baggage, i.e. Halliburton, gay daughter, health issues, etc., but if Bush were to drop Cheney it would be admitting, in a sense, that all the negative talk about Cheney, and Bush indirectly, were true.

I think Bush/Cheney will be the ticket. As far as the 2008 election, if the issue is to have an incumbent VP run, then midway through the 2004 term, Cheney could resign for health reasons and a replacement could be named.

Personally, I think Cheney is an asset!
23 posted on 02/29/2004 10:51:43 AM PST by dawn53
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To: PLK
Whatever the scenario for 2004, I do NOT want to see Dick Cheney on the GOP ticket. Cheney's got to go!
24 posted on 02/29/2004 10:53:21 AM PST by BrucefromMtVernon
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To: jocon307
Rudy cannot be added to the Bush ticket as a "successor" candidate for 2008, for a number of reasons even aside from his political views. Consider the following:

1. The U.S. has never elected a bald president since the dawn of the "television era" in politics.

2. This country will never elect a candidate with a speech impediment to the White House, either.

3. This country will never elect a New Yorker of Italian descent to the White House.

In fact, Giuliani stacks up so miserably in all these areas that any political strategist who even thinks of him as a winning candidate is out of his mind.

25 posted on 02/29/2004 10:54:15 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Alberta -- the TRUE North strong and free.)
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To: aculeus
This is a Left-Wing trap. Sure, Rudy Giuliani would be a very attractive candidate: he would draw in a lot of "moderates", and he could even help GWB squeak out a victory in New York. Granted, that's a long shot at best, but he could force the Democrats to spend so much more time and money defending New York that they will be unable to go after any of the "Red" states the President won in 2000 (and, in the process, offset the popular vote differential by which the Democrats claimed to have "won" in 2000).

The downside, the "trap" part, is that by "dumping" Dick Cheney the President will be tacitly agreeing with the Vice President's critics who have branded him a "corporate crook" and the "evil genius" behind the "failed and unnecessary" war in Iraq. Plus the DNC, with the assistance of the Moby's of the world, would remind Republicans and conservatives of Mr. Giuliani's presumed "social liberal" tendencies. Many on the Right could be inclined to stay home. In the end, win or lose, the Left would get at least part of what they want by "nailing" the evil Cheney. Besides, anyone who saw Dick Cheney systematically demolish Joe Lieberman in their debate will know that he is someone who could make a John Edwards or Hillary look like the rank amateurs they are (as opposed to a Rudy, who would probably end up agreeing with a "progressive" Democrat, as often as not).

26 posted on 02/29/2004 10:54:40 AM PST by pawdoggie
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To: aculeus
Why do the Liberals fear Cheney so? Why are they so desperate that he be replaced?



Get your minds right, conservatives!

27 posted on 02/29/2004 10:55:30 AM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
Ditto.

He is not electable in 2008 and that should be enough reason for him to go.

Nothing against Cheney. That is just the way it is.

I love the idea of maybe picking up New York in the election.
28 posted on 02/29/2004 10:55:46 AM PST by MAKOTHEDOG
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
The liberals don't want Cheney on the ticket because of how weak it will make somebody who's not ready for time prime (ala Edwards) or scenile & nuts (ala Bob Graham) will appear. They also hope that if they can get Bush to dump Cheney they they can trump Bush as somebody nobody, not even Dick Cheney, can trust.
29 posted on 02/29/2004 10:55:57 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: MAKOTHEDOG
Voters don't vote for VPs & Giuliani - of anybody - is absolutely THE WORST POSSIBLE VP CANDIDATE. Rule #1 in picking a VP is to find somebody who's willing to stand away from the limelight & due the diligence required behind closed doors & away from the public. Cheney fits this role as well & responsibly as any who've ever served in the office. Giuliani could NEVER take 2nd seat to anybody and would constantly plague the administrations with 2nd opinions and other juxtapositions that would drive the White House press secretary crazy on a daily basis.
30 posted on 02/29/2004 10:58:00 AM PST by Steven W.
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To: aculeus; Landru; Mudboy Slim; FBD; iceskater; jla; xyz123
If this happened then I would even consider bolting the GOP in November.
31 posted on 02/29/2004 11:00:09 AM PST by sultan88 ("I went down Virginia, seeking shelter from the storm...")
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To: Steven W.
probably true about guiliani. I am looking at 2008 and I just feel that the republicans need to be positioned well for that election. I feel you need to have a strong incumbant vp ( although Gore proved me wrong there ). I think there are others besides guiliani who could fill the bill.

32 posted on 02/29/2004 11:01:38 AM PST by MAKOTHEDOG
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To: BrucefromMtVernon
I understand all these frightened liberals out to get rid of Cheney.

But what in the world is your problem with him?

33 posted on 02/29/2004 11:06:34 AM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: MAKOTHEDOG
This article will give the hardcore conservatives heartburn. I doubt Bush will dump Cheney, but i do think a Bush/rudy or Bush/McCain ticket will be a landscape altering event. Bush may need this if Kerry pick Bayh or Breaux as veep.

Cheney maybe the favorite of the hardcore conservatives, but if Bush is losing the independents, he is toast. There are just not enough conservatives to help in swing states like PA, Ohio, Iowa, Minnesota, Michigan if the independents in these states going against Bush. If Bush loses Ohio and fail to pickup PA, it will be a very long hill climb for him this fall.

The real dream ticket for the independents will be Bush/Powell follow by Bush/Rudy then Bush/McCain. Still think a Bush/McCain play is possible and wow, that sure will get the media going ga ga..
34 posted on 02/29/2004 11:15:49 AM PST by FRgal4u
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To: dawn53
Just MHO, but I believe there is a "plot" (tin foil hat time) to try to get Bush to dump Cheney.

The Dems and their henchmen in the liberal media have been trying to trick Bush into dumping Condi, Rummy, Colin, and Cheney since the start of this administration. Dumping Cheney - or any of the others - would be tantamount to an admission of wrongdoing and bad leadership. The Dems would ride it all the way to victory in the election. I don't think President Bush will fall into this trap. (Remember when all of Washington was calling for Condi's resignation - because it's hard to paint Bush as a bigot when he relies on and deeply respects the talents of a beautiful, brainy black woman - Bush's response was to pull Condi closer, figuratively speaking)

35 posted on 02/29/2004 11:15:50 AM PST by Spotsy (Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: aculeus
Unless Bush does a last minute flipflop, which would really piss off his conservative base, or unless Cheney gets seriously ill and can't go on, it will remain the GOP team of Bush Cheney this November. And that's a winning ticket in my book.
36 posted on 02/29/2004 11:25:27 AM PST by Reagan Man (The choice is clear. Reelect BUSH-CHENEY in 2004)
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To: Hand em their arse
We like Rudy here in the south too.....he showed true leadership and just plain guts during and after Sept. 11th....and sometimes guts is enough.And hell, as VP he doesn't dictate policy anyway.


37 posted on 02/29/2004 11:31:27 AM PST by Gringo1 (All contents of this post may be contrived,made-up,or just plain not true at all.)
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To: aculeus
Gads! They're still trying to get rid of Cheney. One test of how effective Cheney is as an Anti-Dem is the amount of time they spend trying to convince Republicans that anybody would be better than Cheney for the VP slot.
38 posted on 02/29/2004 11:33:15 AM PST by livius
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To: aculeus
No no no..

We need to save Rudy for the NY Senate in 2006! He's the only one who can save us from Hitlary!

Rudy could beat her in a landslide and secure her to the sidelines in the 2008 Presidential campaign!

Bush needs to keep Cheney or go with Rice if Cheney decides not to run.

Could you see Condi Rice at Edwards in a debate? That would be a hoot!!
39 posted on 02/29/2004 11:35:42 AM PST by TonyWpi (Support a National Holiday for Mary Jo Kopechne's Birthday!!)
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To: Hand em their arse
"Rudy is way to liberal"--Guess what, it's a whole new day out there. Remember Arnold? Conservatives have to think "win" instead of stay the course. Listen to Rush--Win first and then go for ideals.Conservative ideals under a demonrat admistration fall short. Rudy can knock off bubbas wench that is really the whole ballgame, the restcan be debated.
40 posted on 02/29/2004 11:40:40 AM PST by rodguy911
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