Posted on 02/27/2004 3:40:31 AM PST by ejdrapes
A FEW years ago, Mel Gibson got himself into an argument after uttering a series of crude remarks that were hostile to homosexuals. Now he has made a film that principally appeals to the gay Christian sado-masochistic community: a niche market that hasn't been sufficiently exploited. If you like seeing handsome young men stripped and tied up and flayed with whips, The Passion Of The Christ is the movie for you. Some people used to go to Ben-Hur deliberately late, and just watch the chariot race while skipping the boring quasi-Biblical stuff. Alas, that isn't possible with this film. Along with the protracted torture comes a simple-minded but nonetheless bigoted version of the more questionable bits of the Gospels. It's boring all right - much of the film is excruciatingly tedious - but it also manages to be extraordinarily nasty. Gibson claims that the Holy Ghost spoke through him in the directing of this movie, and that everything in it is from the Bible. I very much doubt the first claim, and I can safely say that the second one is false. The Bible does not have an encounter between Jesus and a sort of Satanic succubus figure in the Garden of Gethsemane. The Bible does not have a raven pecking out the eye of one of the crucified thieves. The Bible does not have Judas pursued to his suicide by a horde of supernatural and sinister devil-children. Moreover, whatever the Bible may say, the Roman authorities in Jerusalem were not minor officials in a Jewish empire, compelled to obey the orders of a gang of bloodthirsty rabbis. It was Rome that was boss. Indeed, Pontius Pilate was later recalled by the Emperor Tiberius for the extreme brutality with which he treated the Jewish inhabitants (and you had to be quite cruel to get Tiberius to raise his eyebrows). YET Gibson is evidently obsessed with the Jewish question, and it shows in his film. It also shows when he's off-screen. Invited by Peggy Noonan - a sympathetic conservative interviewer - in Reader's Digest to say what he thought of the Holocaust, Gibson replied with extreme cold-ness that a lot of people were killed in the Second World War and no doubt some of them were Jews. Shit happens, in other words. He doesn't seem to grasp the point that the war was started by a political party which believed in a Jewish world conspiracy. He doesn't go as far as his father, who says that the Holocaust story is "mostly fiction" and that there were more Jews at the end of the war than there were at the beginning, but he does say that his old man has "never told me a lie". And he does say that he bases his film on the visions of the Crucifixion experienced by a 19th-century German nun, Anne-Catherine Emmerich, who believed that the Jews used the blood of Christian children in their Passover rituals. (In case you have forgotten, the setting of the film is the Jewish Passover.) Yesterday, as the movie opened, a Pentecostal church in Denver, Colorado, put up a big sign on its marquee saying: "Jews Killed The Lord Jesus." Nice going. In order to keep up this relentless propaganda pressure, Gibson employs the cheap technique of the horror movie director. Just as you think things can't get any worse, he shoves in a gruesome surprise. The flogging scene stops, and you think: "Well, that's over." And then the sadistic guards pick up a new kind of flagellating instrument, and start again. The nails go through the limbs, one by one, and then, for an extra touch, the cross is raised, turned over and dropped face-down with its victim attached, so that the nails can be flattened down on the other side. The vulg-arity and sensationalism of this would be bad enough if there wasn't a continual accompaniment of jeering, taunting Jews who want more of the same. The same cynical tactic has been applied to the marketing of the movie. Gibson is well known to be a member of a Catholic extremist group that rejects the Pope's teachings and denounces the Second Vatican Council (which, among other things, dropped the charge that all Jews were Christ-killers). He went to some trouble to spread alarm in the Jewish community, which rightly suspected that the film might revive the old religious paranoia. HE showed the film at the Vatican, and then claimed that the Pope had endorsed it - a claim that the Vatican has flatly denied, but then every little helps. Then he ran a series of screenings for right-wing fundamentalists only, and refused to show any tapes to anyone who wasn't a religious nut. (It took me ages to get around the ban and get hold of a pirated copy, and I was writing for the Hollywood issue of Vanity Fair.) Having secured a huge amount of free publicity in this way, and some very lucrative advance block bookings from Christian fundamentalist groups, Gibson now talks self-pityingly about how he has risked his fortune and his career, but doesn't care if he "never works again" because he's done it all for Jesus. The clear message I get from that is that he'll be boycotted by sinister Hollywood Jews. So it's a win-win for him: big box office or celebrity martyrdom. With any luck, a bit of both. How perfectly nauseating. In a widely publicised concession, Gibson said that he'd removed the scene where the Jewish mob cries out that it wants the blood of Jesus to descend on the heads of its children's children. This very questionable episode - it is mentioned in only one of the four gospels - has in fact not been cut. Only the English subtitle has gone. (The film is spoken in Aramaic and Latin, though Roman soldiers actually spoke a dialect of Greek.) So when the film is later shown, in Russia and Poland, say, or Egypt and Syria, there will be a ready-made propaganda vehicle for those who fancy a bit of torture and murder, with a heavy dose of Jew-baiting thrown in. Gibson knows very well that this will happen, and he'll be raking it in from exactly those foreign rights to the film. So my advice is this. Do not go. Leave it to the sickoes who like this sort of thing, and don't fill the pockets of the sicko who made it.I DETEST THIS FILM ..WITH A PASSION
Then you're obviously not listening. Cardinals, bishops and evangelicals are saying it every time I turn around. Here's just one example...one of many:
Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder and Dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, left, and Pastor Ted Haggard, president of the National Association of Evangelical Christians, get together to discuss Mel Gibson (news)'s film 'The Passion of the Christ,' during a news conference held at the Museum of Tolerance, in Los Angeles, Tuesday, Feb. 24, 2004. The film officially opens in 2,800 theaters Wednesday. (AP Photo/Stefano Paltera)
I agree and understand that. However, who lead Jesus to the Roman authorities?
I think he is saying that since only the English subtitle was removed, not the spoken lines, the subtitles is more jew baiter friendly countries will be there. Only America will get the less jew baiter friendly version. That, I think, is his point.
HE showed the film at the Vatican, and then claimed that the Pope had endorsed it - a claim that the Vatican has flatly denied, but then every little [bit] helps.
God help him.
Well, not exactly. But he is very hostile toward religion and religious people. He doesn't understand them. How can you sacrifice like that? Indeed how can you love like that?
By his lights you can't. Therefore there must be some evil hidden motive.
Only once?
How many other truths are only mentioned once in the Bible?
What a moronic statement.
Tell us more!
Don't you see? If it were repeated over and over like DNC talking points, THEN it would be true.
Gosh, It's a good thing Hitchens confines himself to reviewing the movie's content instead of bashing Mel personally, dismissing the veracity of the Gospel accounts, or bringing in irrelevant material. < /sarcasm >
Christians are among the strongest supporters the Jews have. The Left, who are the true anti-semites and who have been posing as protectors of the Jews ever since it became convenient once Hitler broke his pact with Uncle Joe, know this, and rather than lose their status as "protectors of Jews", they're waging this massive propaganda campaign. That's -all- this is about.I'm not talking about FR anti-semitism. I agree that there are few like that here. Though there are a few. I've read them.The anti-semite Christians are such a miniscule fraction of the population these days, you'd have to dig deep to find one. Like I said, I haven't seen a single poster like that here. The only expressions of hostility towards Jews that I've seen on this board has been a -response- to the incredible bigotry and hostility that parts of the Jewish community are displaying towards -them-, and quite frankly, I find that much to be completely understandable. In no case have I seen overreaction.
But that's not the point. They are out there, they exist. I certainly have met a fair amount of them.
And I have seen churches with the sign up "The Jews Killed Jesus".
Are you denying that the idea is still alive and well?
I do agree with you that Conservative Christians are the strongest supporters of the state of Israel outside of the Jews themselves. And I do agree with you that the worst anti-semites (besides the Arabs) are the left-wingers of the western world, including many Jews themselves. And I've said as much over and over here in FR. I am a very strong conservative who has been defending the Christian faith against the idiot attacks of the judicial left and the education-establishment left and the media-left... but on this single issue, the idea that "the Jews killed Jesus"... I just think it's time to put it to bed. Forever. We have the power to do that. We don't have the power to influence Arabs or Commies... they are pretty much beyond our reach.
But to those in our own ranks who believe "the Jews killed Jesus"... it's not good for our group and it's not good for the individual who holds that belief and it should by openly and loudly denounced, by us. Now. During this time of controversy over the film.
By the way, to the person who said I will not see the film. I will see the film. This weekend.
And notice: there is at least one person in this thread who claims I "don't have a clue" when I say the lesson to be learned from the crucifixion is not anti-semitism. So without calling names, I call your proposition into question: that FR is totally pristine on this subject.
do you know why you don't hear ME condemning the statement? because I DON"T KNOW ANYONE THAT BELIEVES THAT THE JEWS SHOULD BE BLAMED FOR KILLING JESUS. honestly. i grew up in a largely catholic community attended catholic schools, as do my children today, and NO ONE BELIEVES that. our belief, and that of the Church is that Christ died for all of us. so you are asking me to condemn something that is too ridiculous to even contemplate.
i had this discussion, with respect to anti-semitism and this movie with a good friend and Jewish colleague yesterday. and i think he thinks the same way. one thing you need to understand is that people are coming at this from different directions. i understand that Jews are going to see all of this differently than i, because we all see things through the prism of our own experience. i ask you not to judge me, or other Christians, for not making this statement you seek from us. NOT because we don't believe it, but because in our realm of experience it doesn't seem NECESSARY. do you understand what i am trying to say?
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