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Victor Davis Hanson: Get a Grip on the Border – It's time to stop illegal immigration.
The Mercury News [San Jose, CA] ^ | February 24, 2004 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 02/24/2004 9:18:41 AM PST by quidnunc

The Bush administration's proposed guest worker program might seem to be a good beginning — splitting the difference between open and closed borders, and between amnesty and deportation.

Vicente Fox, the president of Mexico, counts on the $12 billion in worker remittances sent his way — and he can either encourage or discourage millions more of his citizens to head north in lieu of needed radical reform at home.

But what about the hundreds of thousands of workers already here who either cannot or will not participate? Will illegal immigrants outside the program be stopped at the border, requiring more guards or an extensive wall? Or once here, are they now to be deported without their requisite papers?

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aliens; gop; immigrantlist; immigration; victordavishanson

1 posted on 02/24/2004 9:18:43 AM PST by quidnunc
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To: quidnunc
I'm glad to see Hanson speaking out on this issue. He has earned the right to, with his long experience in running a family farm and his recent compassionate book on the migrant experience.

A great man.
2 posted on 02/24/2004 9:33:56 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
I agree. Just wish the "Powers That Be" would listen to him. This illegal alien situation is serious in the extreme and it seems as if everyone is just ignoring it. I fear for my country.
3 posted on 02/24/2004 9:50:00 AM PST by ImpotentRage
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To: ImpotentRage
"This illegal alien situation is serious in the extreme and it seems as if everyone is just ignoring it. I fear for my country."

Yup. Me, too.
4 posted on 02/24/2004 9:59:54 AM PST by ought-six
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To: quidnunc
I agree with him except for the following:

"consider a one-time citizenship process for current residents who have been here for two or three decades"

If they've been here that long without attempting to achieve legal status they surely don't wish to be thought of as Americans. That should only be rewarded with a one-way ticket.
5 posted on 02/24/2004 10:42:32 AM PST by NewRomeTacitus
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To: gubamyster; HiJinx; madfly
ping
6 posted on 02/24/2004 1:41:46 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: *immigrant_list; A Navy Vet; Lion Den Dan; Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; madfly; B4Ranch; ..
ping
7 posted on 02/24/2004 1:50:31 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: quidnunc
Hope everyone saw Linda Vestor's "Breaking Point: the Terrorists Next Door". If not contact Fox News Channel and see when they will replay it.

We need to secure *both* our borders -- north and south!!

"Then we must enforce our border controls, consider a one-time citizenship process for current residents who have been here for two or three decades, apply stiff employer sanctions, deport all those who now break the law and return to social and cultural protocols that promote national unity through assimilation and integration."

8 posted on 02/24/2004 1:50:54 PM PST by Sunsong (John Kerry, who rose without a trace, with no accomplishments but his own advancement)
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To: ImpotentRage
Instead of arguing over piecemeal legislation in an election year, rolling amnesties or the return of bracero, we might as well bite the bullet and return to an immigration policy that worked well enough for some 200 years for people from all over the world. We can set a realistic figure for legal immigration from Mexico. Then we must enforce our border controls, consider a one-time citizenship process for current residents who have been here for two or three decades, apply stiff employer sanctions, deport all those who now break the law and return to social and cultural protocols that promote national unity through assimilation and integration.

The authors ideas, although laudable, are even more liberal than the Bush proposal.

Also, he repeats the mantra of stiff fines for illegal employers, yet leaves out the fact that it has indeed been tried and is still being tried with no effect on the border.(for reasons too lengthy to list in this post)

A otherwise good article.

9 posted on 02/24/2004 2:03:45 PM PST by Cold Heat (In politics stupidity is not a handicap. --Napoleon Bonapart)
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To: All
Posted on Mon, Feb. 23, 2004


Get a grip on the border
IT'S TIME TO STOP ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
By Victor Davis Hanson


The Bush administration's proposed guest worker program might seem to be a good beginning -- splitting the difference between open and closed borders, and between amnesty and deportation.

Vicente Fox, the president of Mexico, counts on the $12 billion in worker remittances sent his way -- and he can either encourage or discourage millions more of his citizens to head north in lieu of needed radical reform at home.

But what about the hundreds of thousands of workers already here who either cannot or will not participate? Will illegal immigrants outside the program be stopped at the border, requiring more guards or an extensive wall? Or once here, are they now to be deported without their requisite papers?

Escape from Mexico

The proposed solution also assumes that illegal immigration is fueled solely by too many jobs in the United States and too few workers. Yet thousands of other Mexicans come north as preteens, or when they are elderly or sick. The draw was not necessarily immediate employment, but understandable amelioration from the landscape of central Mexico where they cannot be sure of finding food, housing or health care.

The guest worker program also assumes that the traditional remedies of the free market for scarce workers -- mechanization and increased wages -- ceased to work around 1980; that it is hard to sleep or eat out or find a cut lawn in an Iowa or Maine where there are not tens of thousands of illegal workers; that the social experience of guest workers in Germany and France provides encouraging analogies for importing cheap labor; that Californians or Texans once did not do most of their own work before the influx of industrious aliens; and that it is economically beneficial and morally sound to use foreign workers when millions of Americans remain unemployed.

There is a life cycle for the typical teenage worker from Oaxaca, whose backbreaking labor is said to be essential for the economy. For a laborer of 18, it may be a good bargain for all involved -- but for too many people, these jobs turn out not to be entry-level or rite-of-passage, but remain dead-end. Tragedy then ensues when an aging, unskilled worker becomes ill, is injured or laid off and is the sole breadwinner of a large family. Only the public entitlement industry -- health, housing, education and maintenance subsidies -- can come to the rescue to provide some parity with Americans that his job or former job could not. His employer, in the meantime, looks for a younger, healthier and foreign successor. Thus the sad cycle continues.

Testing the melting pot

Illegal immigration cannot be looked at in a vacuum in an age of growing ethnic chauvinism that sees unassimilated and often exploited foreigners in the shadows as an oppressed constituency needing group, rather than individual, representation. Ethnic studies, separate college graduation ceremonies predicated on race, bilingual education, state-supplied interpreters and groups like La Raza (``The Race'') are all force-multipliers to massive illegal immigration, and thus present us with a litmus test of the viability of the melting pot itself.

Instead of arguing over piecemeal legislation in an election year, rolling amnesties or the return of bracero, we might as well bite the bullet and return to an immigration policy that worked well enough for some 200 years for people from all over the world. We can set a realistic figure for legal immigration from Mexico. Then we must enforce our border controls, consider a one-time citizenship process for current residents who have been here for two or three decades, apply stiff employer sanctions, deport all those who now break the law and return to social and cultural protocols that promote national unity through assimilation and integration.

Long-term gains

Under such difficult reform, we of the American Southwest might initially pay more for our food, hotel rooms and construction. Yet eventually we will save far more through reduced entitlements, the growing empowerment of our own entry-level workers (many of them recent and legal immigrants from Mexico), and the easing of social and legal problems associated with some 8 millioon to 12 million illegal residents.

More importantly, our laws would recover their sanctity. Without massive illegal immigration, Americans would rediscover their fondness for measured legal immigration. At a time of war, our borders would be more secure. And we all could regain solace, knowing that we are no longer overlords importing modern helots to do the jobs that we, in our affluence and leisure, now deem beneath us.

VICTOR DAVIS HANSON is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and the author of ``Mexifornia: A State of Becoming'' (Encounter, 2003). He wrote this for the Mercury News.



© 2004 Mercury News and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.
http://www.mercurynews.com
10 posted on 02/24/2004 3:44:36 PM PST by Brian Allen ("He who dares not offend cannot be honest." - Thomas Paine)
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To: Sunsong
Hope everyone saw Linda Vestor's "Breaking Point: the Terrorists Next Door".

I did. The saddest person on that show was the Canadian who had been a former immigration officer in Canada. He said there is no hope for Canada to change the immigration law because the immigrants have taken over the vote, and they all vote for the Liberal party. He more or less was kissing his country good-by.

The same thing will happen here in America, but you're called "hysterical" if you try to talk about it.

11 posted on 02/24/2004 4:06:02 PM PST by swampfox98 (Beyond 2004 - Chaos! 200 million illegals waiting in the wings)
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To: swampfox98
That was an excellent program by Vestor. One of the Canadians said that Usama bin Laden could get into Canada pretty easily, too. That was chilling.

I keep hearing Canadians right here on Free Republic talking about how they don't really need to defend themselves, because who would ever attack them? Seems to me there's a awfully scary mind set up there: "If we're all really *nice* to the terrorists (or other countries), they will be *nice* to us.

Sounds just like the French, doesn't it?

12 posted on 02/24/2004 4:19:40 PM PST by Sunsong (John Kerry, who rose without a trace, with no accomplishments but his own advancement)
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To: swampfox98
no hope for Canada to change the immigration law because the immigrants have taken over the vote, and they all vote for the Liberal party

The same thing is happening in California, and even most of the conservative politicians go along with it. Lifetime Californians are heading for higher ground because of it.

13 posted on 02/24/2004 6:07:18 PM PST by janetgreen
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To: Sunsong; All
Covers the show well:

Breaking Point: 'The Terrorists Next Door'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1084000/posts?page=1
14 posted on 02/25/2004 12:43:12 AM PST by JustPiper (The fly cannot be driven away by getting angry at it)
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To: MamaDearest; Pro-Bush; FITZ; moehoward; Nea Wood; Joe Hadenuf; sangoo; appalachian_dweller; ...
Ping!
15 posted on 02/25/2004 12:45:03 AM PST by JustPiper (The fly cannot be driven away by getting angry at it)
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To: janetgreen
Something horrible is happing to America, as the people we elect to uphold the Constitution and security of our country have sold us out. Anyone who tries to tell the truth is hated and becomes the enemy.

I keep reading about January 2005 when North and South America will become united into one country. I think our politicians are aware this might happen, and have been promised a position in the new government if they don't make waves.

I am voting Republican in 2004, and I hope it is for the last time. I was hoping conservatives would unite and fight what is happening but as the old saying goes, I think I'm just whistlin' Dixie.

16 posted on 02/25/2004 2:37:03 PM PST by swampfox98 (Beyond 2004 - Chaos! 200 million illegals waiting in the wings)
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To: swampfox98
Maybe I am whistling Dixie also. My suggestion is this as it looks like the NWO is going to be forced down our throats.

As it stands we have city, county, state and the federal government. Next, we will have the new one world order government. Talk about reinventing the wheel. Maybe, we should be focusing on getting rid of one of these governments, namely the feds, as they have sold us out. Why do we need them especially since our constitution wil mean nothing. In other words, we need to turn the tables on those SOBs that sold us out.
17 posted on 02/25/2004 8:20:52 PM PST by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: JustPiper
Thank you for the ping JustPiper. I've just ordered Victor's book Mexifornia. He, Mark Steyn and Ann Coulter are among my very favorite writers!
18 posted on 02/26/2004 2:17:56 AM PST by lainde (Heads up...We're coming and we've got tongue blades!!)
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To: gubamyster
Thanks for the ping. BUMP!!
19 posted on 02/26/2004 10:50:14 AM PST by Brownie74
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