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The Confederate battle flag continues to be a symbol of regional pride
freelancestar ^ | 2/10/2004 | BUFFY RIPLEY

Posted on 02/10/2004 6:16:00 AM PST by stainlessbanner

IS THE Confederate battle flag a symbol of hate? Although there are certain connotations that have been improperly associated with the Confederate flag, there are still many people within the American population who display it to show pride in their heritage.

Heritage, not hate.

The Confederate States of America was a compilation of southern states that seceded from the United States of America. Following the formation of this new government, the grievances between the North and South produced hostility and warfare.

Our differences divided us as a nation. Yet during that period, there arose a certain Southern solidarity that people cannot forget.

A liberal federal judge has banned the display of Confederate flags in cemeteries near our area. Could he, not the Southerners who revere the flag, be the prejudiced one?

Only two days out of 365 in a year are people allowed to fly the Confederate battle flag in Point Lookout in Maryland. There have been many appeals, but the judge concluded that it "could" cause hateful uprisings and counter-actions to prevent the flag from flying.

So much for those who died during the Civil War bravely fighting for the South. 3,300 Confederate soldiers died at Point Lookout Cemetery, and the flag would commemorate their lives and their deaths.

Although many people do not understand or agree with what the Confederate States of America stood for, these men gave their lives and had the courage to stand up for what they believed in.

In fact, Confederates fought for the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution--states' rights, no taxation without fair representation and freedom from oppressive government.

They weren't fighting for hate. They weren't fighting to destroy a race.

They were fighting to preserve the government that they had chosen--the Confederate States of America--the government that allowed them to preserve their own way of life.

Fact: The overwhelming majority of Southerners never owned slaves. Slavery as an institution was fading, and making way for more pragmatic agricultural practices, including the use of immigrant labor.

Too many people today do not agree with what Southern soldiers stood for, often basing their opinion on faulty history or willful ignorance. That doesn't mean that we should respect the soldiers from Dixie any less.

Ignorance has turned the South's past into a history of hate. I have grown up in the South. I am not racist. I consider myself to be an open-minded person.

I do have Dixie Pride, though.

I grew up in a Civil War town that has a Confederate Cemetery in the middle of it. There's even a store called "Lee's Outpost."

Yes, there are people who live in Fredericksburg who consider the Confederate flag as a symbol of hatred and racism. However, they do not know what it is truly about.

The war between the states was a time when brother fought against brother. It was a time when people didn't have the choice to be passive.

Ultimately, regardless of one's feelings about the flag, banning the Confederate flag is unconstitutional under the Bill of Rights. Flying the flag is considered a form of speech--and if it is legal to burn an American flag, it should be legal without question to fly the Confederate one.

I do own a Confederate flag. I'm a Southerner, proud of my heritage, and I take pride in the fact that my ancestors rose to the occasion and fought for their form of government.

They did not give their lives to protect slavery in the South. They did not die to keep African-Americans from sharing the same liberties and freedoms that they were blessed with. They believed they were fighting for their families, homes and states against an oppressive government in the North.

The book "The South Was Right" provides many facts to support this.

In the end, it almost doesn't matter why they fought. We claim to be a nation that believes in freedom of speech, where everyone can have their own beliefs and not be looked down on for it.

Are we or aren't we?

What makes this country great is that we have the right to make up our own minds about things. People are asked if they believe in freedom of speech. They reply, "Yes, of course I believe in freedom of speech."

Yet when they don't agree with the speech, sometimes they contradict themselves.

As a nation with millions of citizens, we will never agree on any principles or ideas as a whole--except for the fact that freedom cannot be replaced, and rights cannot be sacrificed.

So why should the Confederate flag be an exception? Free speech applies to everyone, and Southerners have great reasons to be proud of their past.

BUFFY RIPLEY is a sophomore at Virginia Commonwealth University.


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Go Buffy!
1 posted on 02/10/2004 6:16:01 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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2 posted on 02/10/2004 6:21:33 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner
Dixie Bump!
3 posted on 02/10/2004 6:22:47 AM PST by TomServo ("Why does the most evil man in the world live in a Stuckeys?")
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To: stainlessbanner
They did not give their lives to protect slavery in the South. They did not die to keep African-Americans from sharing the same liberties and freedoms that they were blessed with. They believed they were fighting for their families, homes and states against an oppressive government in the North.

BUMP! 'That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.'

4 posted on 02/10/2004 6:33:30 AM PST by 4CJ (||) Support free speech and stop CFR - visit www.ArmorforCongress.com (||)
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To: stainlessbanner
"Dixie Pride" is something that most Northernors won't understand, but we in the South, rich & poor alike all understand about Pride in our Southern Heritage as well as Pride for America. On the other hand alot of Northernors don't even have pride in the U.S. much less anything else.
5 posted on 02/10/2004 6:45:43 AM PST by HELLRAISER II (Give us another tax break Mr. President)
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To: stainlessbanner
The main trouble I have is one of historical accuracy, because the flag I most often see flying is the Confederate Naval Ensign. The official Battle Flag of Gen. Lee's Army of Northern Virginia was a red square one with thirteen white stars arrayed on a blue Cross of St. Andrew..But the official flag of the Confederacy is the one referred to as the "Stars and Bars", (the one sans the Cross of St. Andrew). And I don't believe there would be that much controversy if folks displayed the official flag--due to the ignorance of the American public.
6 posted on 02/10/2004 6:48:12 AM PST by meandog ("Do unto others before they do unto you!")
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To: meandog
Dog,

The Confederate Naval Jack (the rectangular version of the ANV's square battle flag) was also used by the Army of Tennessee. I believe it was mostly AOT veterans who formed the original incarnation of the Ku Klux Klan, so they chose to use their old battle standard to represent the new organization. That particular association is still causing problems, despite the hate groups choosing new symbols because they have no connection with the CSA.

FReegards,
Reb
7 posted on 02/10/2004 7:02:54 AM PST by RebelBanker (Deo Vindice)
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To: stainlessbanner
Poor kid. Swallowed the party line, hook, line and sinker.

Sure, he's got a free speech right to fly the Confederate flag. He can wear a KKK pointy white hat while he's at it, and swear 'til he's blue in the face that the Klan is just misunderstood. And other people have a free speech right to tell him how much they hate him for being such a putz.

And I've got a free speech right to tell him that the Civil War was about slavery, pure and simple. The so-called "state's rights" is code for the right to own slaves.



9 posted on 02/10/2004 8:13:14 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: stainlessbanner
They did not give their lives to protect slavery in the South. They did not die to keep African-Americans from sharing the same liberties and freedoms that they were blessed with. They believed they were fighting for their families, homes and states against an oppressive government in the North.

Everyone loves to revise history. Was the civil war solely about slavery? Of course not. Was it solely about "families, homes and states against an oppressive government in the North?" Of course not. It was a combination of both.

Southerners were not the pure, innocent victims of Northern Aggression that many claim to be, while the North has hands that are just as dirty in the whole thing.

Is the Confederate Battle Flag a "symbol of regional pride?" Sure, to some. To others, it is a symbol of racial oppression. To deny that fact is to put one's head firmly in the sand.

10 posted on 02/10/2004 8:44:40 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: CobaltBlue
I'll be flying my battle flag and the Stars & bars during the month of April. We will also be putting out about 300 battle flags on Confederate graves in the area. If narrow- minded believers of revisionist history don't like it they can go North.


DEO VENDICE
11 posted on 02/10/2004 8:49:26 AM PST by antisocial (Texas SCV)
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To: CobaltBlue
and swear 'til he's blue in the face that the Klan is just misunderstood.

Oddly, he would also be correct in that. When histories associate Forrest with the Klan in order to tarnish or trash him, they neglect to mention that the KKK with which he was associated was not the terrorist organization which made headlines through the 20th C.

12 posted on 02/10/2004 8:52:28 AM PST by Gianni
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To: CobaltBlue
"And I've got a free speech right to tell him that the Civil War was about slavery, pure and simple. The so-called "state's rights" is code for the right to own slaves."

Cobalt, You, sir, could use a serious history lesson. Might I suggest you do not attempt to glean your information from government approved history books. The issue of slavery was Lincoln's propoganda, and was an attempt to weaken the south by causing uproar from within. Lincoln stated in several speeches that the white race was superior and that he could care less about the issue of slavery. In fact, he profited from the sale of his father-in-law's slaves fully two years after the end of the "War of Northern Aggression". Before you fire back with a flame post, please check out these facts.
13 posted on 02/10/2004 9:01:02 AM PST by Dixie Pirate
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To: stainlessbanner
Everybody gets this wrong

It is not the Confederate Battle Flag!. It is the Confederate Navy Flag. The Confederate Battle Flag is square and the diagonal blue strips are dark navy blue.

Just a point of correction.

14 posted on 02/10/2004 9:06:17 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Modernman
Here's a little trivia for you:

It has been said that prior to the War of Northern Aggression, the South was a land of slavery and oppression to the Black race. Slavery was undeniably a bad institution. However, the number of Free Blacks living alongside their white counterparts were roughly three times in number in the South than in the North.

If statistics be the bearer of any testimony, let it be that the Southern accepted his Free Black neighbor living among them more readily than did their Northern countrymen.

Here are those Free Black population numbers:

Population of the North: est. 31.4 million
Free Blacks of the North: est. 225,967
Population percentage: 0.72% free Blacks in the North

Population of the South: est. 12.3 million
Free Blacks of the South: est. 262,003
Population percentage: 2.13% free Blacks in the South

(from "Best Little Stories from the Civil War" - C. Brian Kelly - Pp 74 & 75)

There were 2.96 times more free Blacks in the South than the North prior to the War of Northern Agression.
15 posted on 02/10/2004 9:08:29 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: TonyRo76
Very good, that is the C Battle Flag! The Ones hug on walls and on stickers in truck windows is the C Navy Flag.
16 posted on 02/10/2004 9:09:30 AM PST by D Rider
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To: Dixie Pirate
I have no intention of flaming you. The South seceded from the Union over the issue of slavery. That information wasn't gleaned from text books, but from my own study of history. You see, I actually took the time to read the various Articles of Secession, and every state explained why it was seceding. The first seven seceded before Lincoln was even sworn in as President. They wanted to maintain slavery, pure and simple.

Your beloved Confederate flag is stained with ooze from the charnel house in my eyes.
17 posted on 02/10/2004 9:16:58 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: azhenfud
There were 2.96 times more free Blacks in the South than the North prior to the War of Northern Agression.

As a percentage, that's true, but not as a number (you quoted 225K free blacks in the North versus 262K in the South).

Certainly, it makes sense that there were more free blacks in the South, since the vast majority of blacks at the time lived in the South.

let it be that the Southern accepted his Free Black neighbor living among them more readily than did their Northern countrymen.

If that was the case, why were there about the same number of free blacks in the North as there were in the South? Since it is logical to assume that the free blacks in ths North moved there from the South, it would seem that the migration of blacks was from the South to the North, thereby going against your claim that Southerners got along well with free blacks.

18 posted on 02/10/2004 9:24:38 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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To: CobaltBlue
The so-called "state's rights" is code for the right to own slaves.

Unfortunately, to some people it was/is.

However, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. As you know, states rights is an approach set up in the Bill of Rights to limit the power of the central government.

When the central government tries to impose its laws on states and individuals in areas that are the purview of the states, then states rights can be used to stop it. Consider federal laws on the possession of guns near schools. It is not a federal issue, so the courts threw it out. "Under the theories that the Government presents...we are hard pressed to posit any activity by an individual that Congress is without power to regulate."

On the other hand, if you want an all powerful central government, then states rights is an obstacle that has to be overcome and demonized.

19 posted on 02/10/2004 9:25:53 AM PST by rustbucket
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To: Dixie Pirate
Might I suggest you do not attempt to glean your information from government approved history books.

A claim that slavery was not the most important factor in causing the civil war flies in the face of history. All you have to do is look at the pressure exerted by Northern Abolitionists on their government to end the institution. Look at the various compromises that the North and South tried to hobble together when it came to new slave versus free states. Slavery was the one insurmountable problem in the relationship between North and South.

20 posted on 02/10/2004 9:27:55 AM PST by Modernman ("When you want to fool the world, tell the truth." -Otto von Bismarck)
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