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Denying Evolution Is Denying Biology
NY Times ^ | 2/2/04

Posted on 02/02/2004 5:58:33 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

I have always been amazed at the ability of the Christian right to bully educators into diluting the teaching of evolution and promoting so-called creation science in public school classrooms. I suspect that part of the reason for this is a misappreciation of the importance of evolution by the general public.

Evolution is not an isolated concept that can be expediently omitted from a high-school biology syllabus. Rather, it is the single unifying concept of modern biology. It unites all areas of biology, from ecology to physiology to biochemistry and beyond. Without it, students are denied a framework to understand how these different areas are related and interdependent.

Can you imagine asking a physics teacher to cover everything except Newton's laws?

Maybe soon a small group of reactionaries will persuade a school board to teach students that apples do not fall to earth because of gravity, but because of some mystical phenomenon that can neither be studied nor understood. ALBERT E. PRICE

New Haven, Jan. 30, 2004

The writer is a research fellow, department of cell biology, Yale University School of Medicine.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: crevolist; education; evolution
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To: Stellar Dendrite
im not saying darwin is a communist, he himself questioned his theory, and renounced it on his deathbed.....it was adopted by the marxists for disinformational purposes.

You're right about the ACLU, but alas, wrong in everything else. The "deathbed renuciation" is even laughted at by a creationist website (Answers in Genesis): Arguments we think creationists should NOT use.

As for Stalin, you couldn't be more wrong: Stalin decreed that genetics and evolution were bogus, and the "theory" of Lamarckism, propounded by Trofim Denisovich Lysenko would be official soviet doctrine.

A well-known creationist website (Institute for Creation Research) publishes this article:
DARWIN'S INFLUENCE ON RUTHLESS LAISSEZ FAIRE CAPITALISM.

41 posted on 02/02/2004 7:47:44 AM PST by PatrickHenry
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection; Dataman
Be sure not to miss the writer's followup:

Chanting Dogma Is Chanting Truth — If I Chant It!

Dan
42 posted on 02/02/2004 7:47:56 AM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: Always Right
"For instance, I don't see why someone has to believe in evolution to cure cancer."

The underlying mechanics are common to both.

43 posted on 02/02/2004 7:49:46 AM PST by spunkets
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To: stanz
The title says it all. You cannot study biology without accepting evolution as its one unifying tenet.

Why do you have to believe man evolved from ape to study biology? There have been many great accomplishments in Biology by deeply religious people who believed in devine intervention. I really don't see why it is absolutely neccessary to accept every aspect of evolution to study biology. In fact, it is detrimental to science to insist that everyone believes and views the world in the exact same way.

44 posted on 02/02/2004 7:53:24 AM PST by Always Right
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Knowing and understanding the underlying mechanics leads to understanding both cancer and evolution. The underlying mechanics precludes the possibility of Creationism.
45 posted on 02/02/2004 7:54:48 AM PST by spunkets
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To: spunkets
The underlying mechanics are common to both.

Maybe, but I can understand the workings of genetics and other Biology principles without blanketly accepting evolution. Believing in evolution is not that critical, but requiring that belief to study biology eliminates many great minds from the field. Just because genetics or whatever is a mechanic of evolution, doesn't mean you must accept evolution to study genetics. The arguement decreeing Evolution as THE unifying principle is a political rather than scientific statement.

46 posted on 02/02/2004 7:59:16 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Stellar Dendrite
evolution is a communist propaganda theory.

You signed up just to post this? Interesting that the Soviets executed people for teaching Darwin.

47 posted on 02/02/2004 8:02:54 AM PST by js1138
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To: Always Right
Why do you have to believe man evolved from ape to study biology?

Um, you don't. Man didn't "evolve from ape." In fact, had you taken the time to click on patrickhenry's link a few posts above, you'd have learned that even your most strident creationist bedfellows have implored folks like you to stop using this inane "argument."

By the way... we're still waiting for your list of " Some of the greatest biologist [sic] and scientist[sic][who] don't believe in evolution." You have two tacts you can take... a list of pre-Darwin scientists like Newton or current Patriot University grads.
48 posted on 02/02/2004 8:04:36 AM PST by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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To: Shryke
Are you stating that evolutionary theory is responsible for our personal and social "decline"?

I am stating that it is a factor. Think of the view of the constitution as a 'living' document that 'evolves' over time. That would be one example, ther are many more that should be easily observable by anyone looking for them.

What's this mean? We should never advocate change/growth? Sometimes?

It means we are abandoning absolute principles in favor of 'evolving' standards: that we no longer accept unchanging truth as self evident, but that we now believe that what is true today need not be true tomorrow (morally, ethically, legally, politically). This is the end result of accepting evolution as a valid fact and expanding it to encompass all of our life (whether we wish to aknowlege we have done so or not).

49 posted on 02/02/2004 8:05:25 AM PST by templar
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To: Always Right
I think most of the bullying going on in the Biology circle is by the evolutionists.

Off of the top of my head, I've only read about such "bullying" in biology when it comes from a couple of "scientists" who happen to be, for lack of a better term, crackpots. Even if they weren't crackpots, the number of them actually complaining ads up to statistical irrelevance (2? 4? Out of thousands?). If I am incorrect, please quote some numbers? And then, ofcourse, please discuss which alternatescientific theory the bullies are quashing.

50 posted on 02/02/2004 8:05:41 AM PST by Shryke
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To: PatrickHenry
These may be useful......bump.
51 posted on 02/02/2004 8:05:46 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: whattajoke
" Some of the greatest biologist [sic] and scientist[sic][who] don't believe in evolution."

I know there was this guy name Einstein who believed in devine intervention. Maybe you have heard of him...

52 posted on 02/02/2004 8:08:05 AM PST by Always Right
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
Denying Evolution Is Denying Biology

Denying GLOBAL WARMING is denying biology.

Denying that capitalism is evil is denying economics.

Denying that Islam is the religion of peace is denying history.

Denying that homosexuality is an inherited DNA trait is denying genetics.

Denying that Reagan was stupid and that the 80's were the worst decade ever is denying history.

Denying that the USA is the root of all problems in the world is denying multiculturalism and diversity.

(and other BS they teach kids in college.)

53 posted on 02/02/2004 8:09:42 AM PST by gg188
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To: ThinkPlease
People rarely doubt their mechanic, nor do they doubt their doctor, or a police detective when they make determinations based on available evidence.

No doubt you came to this conclusion through logical scientific methods.

Since I've been studying in a scientific field for the past 12 years, yes, I have.

LOL! I should just "rest my case" here, but I can't resist yammering on (in print) at least a bit more.

When my mechanic told me my left front wheel bearing was near failure and he needed $450 to replace it I did question it, and did nothing; then, at least. Being an engineer, I know nothing about science, but a bit about things that go vroom-vroom. Nine months later the wheel bearing did fail - the right front. I replaced it myself for $150. Thirteen months later the left became "iffy" and I replaced that one too - $120 this time (the extra $30 the first time around was for tools).

When my daughter was prescribed anti seizure medication I was "bold" enough to question at length this vaunted "man of science". Without going into lengthy detail, there were many factors that contraindicated a need for this medication. I literally cornered him with his own assessment and information until his only suggestion was that "we could try the medication and discontinue it if it doesn't have the desired effect". Frankly, anyone who doesn't educate themselves and use their doctors as consultants in order to decide on their own treatment is acting foolishly IMO. Read "It's Not About The Bike" by Lance Armstrong if you would like to know more about the potential difference in results.

As for the police, I have never heard of a case where someone was arrested or convicted and then later found to be innocent and I'm sure you haven't either, so I guess you have me there.

But, hey, what do I know? You have been studying in the field of science for the past 12 years. I'm sure you know what is best, for you and for me. Silly of me to question - lets forget the whole thing.

(your screen name goes here for the sake of irony)

54 posted on 02/02/2004 8:11:28 AM PST by 70times7 (An open mind is a cesspool of thought)
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To: Always Right
The problem is that both creationist and evolutionist accept micro evolution because it is provable.The evolutionist then make the faith leap to macro evolution which has not been proven by history or experiment.I accept evolution as a editing process but it does not involve creation.
55 posted on 02/02/2004 8:11:29 AM PST by Blessed
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To: Blessed
Why not?
56 posted on 02/02/2004 8:14:51 AM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection (www.whatyoucrave.com)
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To: Blessed
lots of micro events add up to macro events.
57 posted on 02/02/2004 8:14:57 AM PST by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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To: templar
It means we are abandoning absolute principles in favor of 'evolving' standards: that we no longer accept unchanging truth as self evident, but that we now believe that what is true today need not be true tomorrow (morally, ethically, legally, politically).

Interesting. From what I can gather, it appears to me that you feel our current understanding of the universe, society, and ethics is right on the money. There is no need to progress. We've achieved enlightenment. Is this correct?

58 posted on 02/02/2004 8:15:13 AM PST by Shryke
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To: Always Right
There are no great minds that can know and understand physics and the mechanism of genetics, accept Creationism and at the same time dismiss evolution as a commie plot. Profession of Creationism from a scientist is proof of a debiliating cognitive dissonance.
59 posted on 02/02/2004 8:15:58 AM PST by spunkets
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To: Always Right
Albert Einstein, a physicist, never expressed contempt for evolutionary theory, ever.

But I think you miss the point; Believing in God and accepting science are certainly NOT exclusive! The majority of biologists in the world today, I'm quite sure, believe in a deity of some sort.
60 posted on 02/02/2004 8:16:48 AM PST by whattajoke (Neutiquam erro.)
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