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How Bush could lose it
OC Register ^ | 1/25/04 | John Hood

Posted on 01/25/2004 10:34:04 AM PST by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/14/2004 10:06:37 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

President George W. Bush blew it Tuesday night. He delivered a State of the Union address that downplayed his most promising - and potentially revolutionary - domestic-policy initiatives. Earlier drafts had reportedly contained a lengthy exposition of his vision of an "ownership society," expanded and strengthened by tax changes and Social Security reform.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2004; bush; couldloseit; electionpresident; gwb2004; reform; socialsecurity
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To: Starwind
Darn, so nothing is sure except death and taxes. But as the saying goes at least death doesn't get worse each time the congress is in session
81 posted on 01/25/2004 12:26:31 PM PST by PersonalLiberties (Between Life and the Pursuit of Happiness You Need Liberty www.personalliberties.com)
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To: Starwind
Bonds are not CDS. Get your "investment" vehicles straight.
82 posted on 01/25/2004 12:27:29 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: contessa machiaveli
but people do care about the loss of good paying jobs in the US, and none of the candidates have articulated how best to reverse the trend. the prez would be unbeatable if he had a plan (penalize corporations that offshore jobs and setup offices in bermuda, etc).

I'm sorry, contessa, but the problem is not "corporations"; it's the federal and state governments and the burdensome regulations, taxes, and bureaucracy that they have imposed on American corporations, raising the cost of doing business here.

You're not going to "penalize" corporations that have subsidiaries in other countries when they move jobs to those subsidiaries. That would be a further burden to the cost of doing business.

83 posted on 01/25/2004 12:31:00 PM PST by sinkspur (Adopt a shelter dog or cat! You'll save one life, and maybe two!)
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To: sinkspur; David
Bonds are not CDS. Get your "investment" vehicles straight.

David addressed investments. You narrowed it to CD's arguing they are a "sure thing". They are not. They are callable. Both CD's and Bonds are usually callable. Their ability to earn interest is not a sure thing.

If the Treasury can and will redeem Bonds, what makes you think banks and corps won't as well to get lower interest rates?

You need to read the fine print.

84 posted on 01/25/2004 12:35:55 PM PST by Starwind (The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the only true good news)
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To: sinkspur
Fellow Pubs..Be cautious of those who try and stir up your own party...they work for the opposition.

Here in California the crazies tried to part the vote for the recall between Arnold and Tom.......

Many ultra conservatives fell for it. Some not so ultra....but in the end a comprimise was made to get the ship going in the right direction....

I ASSURE YOU...DO NOT SIT AT HOME IN FUNDAMENTAL PROTEST...The opposition will win and it aint GWB....Don't wait to prove that fact!

You want to see real Amnesty...just let a DIM in that office!
85 posted on 01/25/2004 12:38:56 PM PST by Republic Rocker
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To: contessa machiaveli
""but people do care about the loss of good paying jobs in the US, and none of the candidates have articulated how best to reverse the trend"'

That is because in a free society you cant.
88 posted on 01/25/2004 12:48:29 PM PST by lsmith1990
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To: notorious vrc
"McClintock Supporter"

AKA loser
89 posted on 01/25/2004 12:49:25 PM PST by lsmith1990
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To: janetgreen
Most of my friends to continue to support the President because he has lowered the unemployment rate even in the face of an unprecendented attack on our nation, spectacular bursting of bubbles in the stock market, and historic reforms in corporate governance including arrests and convictions of corporate bosses.

He has humanely proposed dealing with illegal immigration, realizing that the nation needs continues labor and social security funding while future privatization will hopefully be implemented.

He has successfully defended this nation even with the most open borders in the world and in the face of 8 years of inaction and chaos at the federal level.

He has maintained his conservative positions on most moral issues of the day and has made progress on reforming health care, eventually privatizing major portions of it.

He has continued to push privatiiton of social security, which Chile has already successfully done...in short he has been a spectacular president in the face of a peculiar kind of criticism from the right and a more perverse attacks from the the Left.

90 posted on 01/25/2004 12:51:04 PM PST by eleni121 (Preempt and Prevent)
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To: sinkspur
i'm willing to spend more on US made goods and i'm willing to cut the profits a bit on my investments. i want a country which will have a growing middle class....anyone who has children doesn't want the US to become the home of haves and have nots. the middle class IS the united states. the president is allowing a permanent underclass to take up residence here and while it's great for us who have gardeners and people who clean our homes, i'm beginning to feel very queasy about where we're headed. this is not going to affect the boomers, but it will affect my daughter.
91 posted on 01/25/2004 12:57:12 PM PST by contessa machiaveli
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To: Old Sarge
The rumble from The Right can turn into a thunderstorm. The Left enjoys the monolithic support of all its factions; the Right is a dysfunctional family, who will cut and run at the first cross-eyed look across the table.

Well said. And they don't call it the stupid party for nothing. The basic truth is that a vote for someone else or a non-vote is a vote for a Liberal Marxist.

You're damned if you do and damned if you don't, but a little less damned if you don't, IMO.

92 posted on 01/25/2004 1:00:19 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (Right-leaning... it has a nice ring to it.)
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To: contessa machiaveli
THe same people who say that anyone who does not want the US to fight or "rebuild" countries all over this world is unpatriotic. will also say your post of America First is too nationalistic. Go figure
93 posted on 01/25/2004 1:02:25 PM PST by PersonalLiberties (Between Life and the Pursuit of Happiness You Need Liberty www.personalliberties.com)
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To: MEG33
He has already lost my vote and my support.

I would rather put Demos in and then try again next cycle with a new batch of Republicans.


94 posted on 01/25/2004 1:03:14 PM PST by 13foxtrot
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To: jla; Landru; FBD; sultan88
"It is difficult to overstate the extent to which the limited-government, free-market faction of their coalition - including mainstream Reagan Republicans, old-style balanced-budget moderates and small-l libertarians - have been dismayed by Bush's dismal record on federal spending and entitlements. Non-defense discretionary spending under Bush and a Republican Congress soared by nearly 19 percent in two years, a rate not seen in decades and one making Bill Clinton look like Calvin Coolidge."

That's been my point all along, my FRiend...Rove thinks we got nowhere else to go but many anti-BigGuv'ment folks are saying "what's the use of working so hard fer Dubyuh when he's stabbin' us in the back this way?"

FReegards...MUD

95 posted on 01/25/2004 1:06:01 PM PST by Mudboy Slim (RE-IMPEACH Osama bil Clinton!!)
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To: lsmith1990
i don't understand the point you're making "in a free society......".

that being said i'll vote for the prez because the alternative is worse, but i'm ignoring the pleas for donations this year. i'd prefer to save the money.

96 posted on 01/25/2004 1:06:03 PM PST by contessa machiaveli
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To: eleni121
You write with high regard for our President. You see success, I see creeping socialism, and I will never agree with that. Bush's successes in governing have been overshadowed by his liberal policies. I would like to see a real conservative in office, but I'm not sure that one exists. This saddens me.
97 posted on 01/25/2004 1:06:50 PM PST by janetgreen (WANTED: A President who will enforce existing immigration & border laws.)
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To: 13foxtrot
.............BUSH/CHENEY 04 FOR THE SAKE OF THE NATION.......

98 posted on 01/25/2004 1:07:56 PM PST by MEG33
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To: 13foxtrot
"He has already lost my vote and my support.

I would rather put Demos in and then try again next cycle with a new batch of Republicans."

Two responses to this:

you dont take terrorism seriously

there wont be another batch of Republicans who can win in 2008. If you beleive history, the election of 2004 will be historic. Every 36 years since 1860, there has been a political shift in the country. The winner in 2004, will likely have the White House for possibly decades.
99 posted on 01/25/2004 1:09:39 PM PST by lsmith1990
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To: Ranger Drew
I am already losing my liberties and a Republican is President.

So, what can't you do now that you could do before? Fly without being searched? What else?

100 posted on 01/25/2004 1:10:29 PM PST by Dec31,1999 (Right-leaning... it has a nice ring to it.)
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