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Posted on 01/20/2004 4:01:54 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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To: CWOJackson
but it's very difficult to rationally discuss the pro's and con's of his guest worker program when you're constantly responding to the IT'S AMNESTY crowd.
I think the average "Bushbot" would be far more critical of the President if it weren't for that element,
Ah, the "you first" gambit. Why should you care what anyone else says about anything? If you've got something to say, say it. I'm with some posters on some threads, against them on others. Why should it be otherwise? but it's very difficult to rationally discuss the pro's and con's of his guest worker program when you're constantly responding to the IT'S AMNESTY crowd.
Ah, the "facts schmacts" gambit.
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posted on
01/20/2004 10:55:37 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
To: Joe Hadenuf
"Yes Jackson, this seems to be the current trend."
Naw Joe, you've been on the same trend for almost four years now. Nothing current about it.
To: ArneFufkin
we have a fantastic leaderYou're entitled to your opinion. Will you do me the honor of allowing me to be entitled to mine?
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posted on
01/20/2004 10:56:15 PM PST
by
Lazamataz
(New York City has always been, and always will be, America's switchblade.)
To: Sabertooth
Of course, why have reasoned discussion when it's so much easier to simply make up whatever you want. That's demonstrated day in and day our by the malcontents.
To: Ophiucus
**What's his health status?**
I've been thinking that he could die any day. Alcoholism isn't kind to the body.
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posted on
01/20/2004 10:57:28 PM PST
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: Lazamataz
Well, over the last 35 years most Dems, not all, were just like Clinton. Tying the hands of the CIA, FBI and NSA and cutting their budgets. Gutting the military, making rules in Congress limiting our ability to gather intelligence, etc.
If it wasn't for Reagan, we wouldn't have the military we have now since they are using the systems he fought for like the Bradley Fighting Vehicle and the Apache helicopter, both programs the liberals wanted to end during testing because the test weren't always perfect. But that's why we test, change, adapt.
Now we have massive new ideas and abilities like simply strapping on a $350 GPS device to existing bombs that can now be more precise. And other ideas that came from the first Gulf War...many which barely survived under Clinton. At least he didn't totally gut the programs but he did kill off too many divisions and Naval vessels. Bush 41 did also, but not at that rate.
But even then, it comes down to it's usage and I'll never trust a Democrat to use our military might to defend us since they have a long record of not doing so after WWII. It was the Democratic politicians that screwed up Vietnam and didn't allow our military a victory that was easily at hand.
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posted on
01/20/2004 10:57:51 PM PST
by
Fledermaus
(Democrats are just not capable of defending our nation's security. It's that simple!)
To: BigSkyFreeper
How about that other Democrat war, the Vietnam war?They did about as well as the Republican.
3,287
posted on
01/20/2004 10:58:13 PM PST
by
Lazamataz
(New York City has always been, and always will be, America's switchblade.)
To: Lazamataz
I believe that either party would rise to the challenge of national defense, frankly. I think it is hyperbole to claim that a Dem in the WH would result in us losing the WoT. The Dems did satisfactorily during WWII, and I believe WWI as well. A more relevent example of current Democratic wartime leadership would be Vietnam or Kosovo. Comparing contemporary Democrats to those of the WWII or WWI era is about as fitting as comparing them to Confederates.
Its a question of desire and resolve. Most Democrats have neither when it comes to fighting terrorism, to say nothing of potentially dire threats like North Korea or Iran. The very thought of Dean, Kerry or Clark trying to negotiate with Kim Jong Il makes me shudder.
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posted on
01/20/2004 10:58:57 PM PST
by
Steel Wolf
("Inveniemus viam aut faciemus" - We will either find a way or make one.)
To: Lazamataz
"You're entitled to your opinion. Will you do me the honor of allowing me to be entitled to mine?" Who is your leader, Laz? Other than FDR, as you've already proscribed.
To: ArneFufkin
"Anti-Bush bile. Anti-Bush bile. Anti-Bush bile. Anti-Bush bile. Anti-Bush bile."
Hey that's what FR is all about. Ya know some look through their live through rose colored glasses and some see it though a different set. Glass is full or not so full...Please don't confuse those who want a debate on the MEXICAN issue to those who don't contribute here.
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posted on
01/20/2004 10:59:49 PM PST
by
endthematrix
(To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
To: Fledermaus
It was the Democratic politicians that screwed up Vietnam and didn't allow our military a victory that was easily at hand.I disagree that Vietnam was any more winnable under a Republican.
I disagree that Gulf War 1 & 2 (and Afghanistan) were any more loseable under a Democrat.
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posted on
01/20/2004 11:00:38 PM PST
by
Lazamataz
(New York City has always been, and always will be, America's switchblade.)
To: Steel Wolf
The very thought of Carter handing over satchels of greenbacks to some NorKorCom, by which he got his Nobel Peace Prize, makes me retch.
To: ArneFufkin
Get your head out of your ass.Why do you insist on consitently breaking the rules? I'm not going to defend bullies, but if others can't handle a few simple WORDS posted, then don't cry for me Argentina.
It doesn't seem to bother you since you are very outspoken and very rude...some would say a bully.
And now it's "poor women" who are intimidated? That's the most disrespectful thing I've ever heard in my life. Geez, tighten up your Depends.
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posted on
01/20/2004 11:01:34 PM PST
by
Fledermaus
(Democrats are just not capable of defending our nation's security. It's that simple!)
To: A Citizen Reporter
Who is your leader, Laz?c) None of the above.
Nobody will make me vote for a liberal, so y'all might as well stop.
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posted on
01/20/2004 11:02:04 PM PST
by
Lazamataz
(New York City has always been, and always will be, America's switchblade.)
To: CWOJackson
Naw Joe, you've been on the same trend for almost four years now. Nothing current about it.Just me huh Jackson??
Lift your head and face the facts. Look at the polls, listen to the talk shows. Read these threads.
No Jackson, it's not just Joe. President Bush decided to throw high voltage cables into sea of chaos by suggesting amnesty for *millions* that have broken our laws.
Quit attacking people for speaking their minds. It's very distasteful.
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posted on
01/20/2004 11:02:07 PM PST
by
Joe Hadenuf
(I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
To: ArneFufkin
End of rant. Except the jerkoffs ruined the State of The Union Speech thread tonight with their anti Mexican poison. Eff them all.
You know, antivenin is supposed to neutralize poison, not overpower it. Just curious: are those of us in the majority of Americans who oppose the Bush Amnesty all anti-Mexican?
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posted on
01/20/2004 11:02:43 PM PST
by
Sabertooth
(Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deport Themselves - http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1058591/posts)
To: CWOJackson
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To: Steel Wolf
I think Clinton in Somalia sums it up! I can imagine of a nightmare of a Gore/Taliban ceasefire in Tehran in 2001.
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posted on
01/20/2004 11:04:35 PM PST
by
endthematrix
(To enter my lane you must use your turn signal!)
To: Joe Hadenuf
Just you? No way. You and a hand full of other very vocal malcontents who have been grinding their axes for almost four years now.
To: ArneFufkin
Except the jerkoffs ruined the State of The Union Speech thread tonight with their anti Mexican poison Curious, How many Mexicans are there in Minn. Don't get me wrong I'm married to a Mexican lady, but I would think that we here in calif have a few more than you guys in Minn
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