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Bring it on, Cheeseheads!
Philly.com ^ | Jan. 05, 2004 | WILLIAM BUNCH

Posted on 01/08/2004 8:12:25 AM PST by wisconsinconservative

Bring it on, Cheeseheads!

We love Brett, hate the Packers

By WILLIAM BUNCH bunchw@phillynews.com

AP

The always dangerous Brett Favre

LOVE the man. Hate the town.

OK, let's drop the atty-tude for about 10 seconds, and give some props to Green Bay Packers' QB Brett Favre. All of America - yes, even us - loves the spunk of this future Hall of Famer and his Hollywood-ready saga.

It was Favre - in case you've been living in a spider hole outside of Mosul recently - who took the field 24 hours after learning that his mentor father had died of a heart attack, and had the game of his life, launching an improbable playoff drive that seems guided by a higher power.

And so, truth be told, we spent the last week praying that we'd be sitting here last night writing a hater's guide to Dallas (Michael Irvin, Jerry Jones, Lee Harvey Oswald) or Seattle (Microsoft and Starbucks - too easy!) - anybody but Green Bay.

But then we remembered something else from Green Bay, that "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." And in the National Football League, to win on Sunday is to hate.

And so we hate Green Bay.

Vince Lombardi would have wanted it that way.

It's not like it's hard to find reasons.

It's too small

Let's be honest here. Green Bay is the nation's 69th-largest TV market, and we were stunned to learn it was even that large.

Green Bay, Wis., doesn't deserve a professional sports franchise any more than our own beloved neighborhood of Frankford or Pottsville or Pottstown or wherever the heck that place is that Gov. Rendell was trying to get the 1925 NFL title restored when he was supposed to be passing the state budget.

So why do 70,000 cheese-headed folks - 70 percent of the town (don't call it a city - pul-leeez) - show up at Lambeau Field on any given Sunday? Why has pro football succeeded here and failed in places with a few more folks, like, say, Los Angeles?

It's not because

the people are made of

hearty midwestern stock. It's because THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ELSE TO DO THERE!!!

Well, actually, there's one other thing to do in Green Bay - drink. Under the heading of "Entertainment," the Green Bay Press-Gazette's Web site doesn't have "Nightlife" but there's a massive section for "Taverns" - as if there's a difference between the Buck Stop Inn and the creatively named Watering Hole Tavern.

You're certainly better off drinking than eating. The "Restaurant" section lists all nine of Green Bay's Taco Bells under the heading "ethnic."

Splinter-free!

Indeed, there's only one other thing besides football that Green Bay is famous for. We'll give you a hint: It's still manufactured here by the Quilted Northern division of Georgia-Pacific, whose slogan is: "We Make the Things That Make You Feel at Home."

That's a polite way of saying: "We Make Toilet Paper!"

Yes, Green Bay actually bills itself as "the toilet paper capital of the world," although for some reason Green Bay's Web site is called titletown.org and not worldtoiletpapercapital.org.

I guess we should be grateful, since Green Bay claims that Quilted Northern made the first TP that was "splinter free." But then the Packers won't be needing Quilted Northern after they get wiped by the Eagles at the Linc this Sunday.

No Warren Buffets here

There's a sucker born every minute - in Green Bay. Somehow, civic leaders duped citizens into owning the team without reaping any benefits. A total of 4,748,910 shares is owned by 111,507 stockholders - none of whom receives any dividend on the initial investment despite the millions of dollars of TV cash that's pumped into the franchise every year.

And you thought Sun Microsystems was a bad investment!

Reggie, what happened?

But then there's something about wind chills of minus-40 that can make people act a little loopy. Consider all-time NFL sack leader Reggie White, who was beloved during his seven seasons with the Eagles for his ferocity on the field as well as his godliness off field.

Then he goes and signs a $17 million deal with the Packers, and the next you know he's standing before the Wisconsin Legislature blasting gays for comparing their plight to that of blacks and adding: "We allow rampant sin, including homosexuality and lying, and because it has run rampant in our nation, our nation is in the condition it is today."

White was promptly dropped as pitchman for Campbell's - which probably spared him from a career-threatening injury like those suffered by every other Chunky Soup endorser.

Holier than thou

The funny thing is that if White wanted to find "rampant sin," he needed only to look down the row of lockers at the Packers' All-Star tight end, Mark Chmura. The ultra-conservative Chmura refused to go to Bill Clinton's White House with his Super Bowl winning squad in 1997 and said later of the Monica Lewinsky affair: "I look like a genius now. I knew it all along."

But in 2000, Chmura - who was 31 at the time - didn't look like much of a genius when he was charged with raping his family's 17-year-old babysitter in a bathroom at a hot-tub-soaked party after Waukesha Catholic Memorial High School's spring prom.

Chmura was acquitted but conceded his "immature" behavior was "something a married man shouldn't do."

We knew it all along.

Frozen tundra, hah!

Most of the Green Bay football myth is exactly that - myth. Take Lambeau Field's legendary "frozen tundra," a clever turn-of-phrase phrase made famous by - you guessed it - a Philadelphian, legendary NFL Films' voice John Facenda.

It turns out that not only is the playing field at Lambeau not tundra (duh), it's not even frozen! Alleged tough guy Lombardi had electric heating coils installed underneath so players like pretty boy Paul Hornung wouldn't get hurt. And the Packers practice indoors for most of the season.

What a bunch of wimps.

St. Vince

Even Lombardi himself wasn't really all that. Yeah, yeah, five NFL titles, never had a losing season, rest stop on the New Jersey Turnpike. But as you might guess for someone who thought winning was "the only thing," there were times when expediency won out - a cheating scandal when he was assistant coach at Army, and when he welcomed back prodigal son Hornung after the Packers star was suspended in 1963 for betting on Green Bay. (Ask Pete Rose what he thinks of that.)

And he did have losing seasons on the playing field of life, where his total devotion to football caused him to ignore his wife's growing drinking problem and to rarely be there for his kids.

So if you're scared about facing the vaunted "Pack" on Sunday, just remember the biggest loss of Lombardi's coaching career. It came in 1960.

At Franklin Field, in the NFL championship game.

17-13, Eagles.

Godspeed, Brett Favre. And good luck... next year.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: brettfavre; cheeseheads; eagles; frozentundra; greenbaypackers; packers; vincelombardi
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To: LouD
Typical Philly. It's easy to be tough when they're surrounded by 60,000 other morons who feel the same way.
 
If all those little south Philly greaseballs who populate Iggles games were real men, they'd come up to Lambeau and attempt to beat people for wearing the colors of the opposing team.
 
Several things that are escaping you-
 
One, most of the Eagles Season Ticket holders are from South Jersey, Delaware County, Bucks County, or Montgomery County, not South Philadelphia, as you said.
Two, "greaseball" is a racial slur against people of Italian decent.  It's the equivelent of "Polack" or "Bucket head" and reveals bigotry.
Three, why would a "real man" go to an opposing team's stadium and take exception to fans wearing their colors in their own stadium?  The issue is with opposing fans wearing their colors in OUR Stadium.
 
I'm currious as to how you know so much about people who go to Eagles games since you've obviously never been to one, or you'd have known that the majority of fans aren't from South Philadelphia, just by the traffic patterns before and after the game?
 
 
 

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

41 posted on 01/08/2004 8:58:23 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory! Fly Eagles Fly, Score a Touchdown One Two Three!)
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To: cyncooper
Not you too.....Cheese earrings???
42 posted on 01/08/2004 9:00:41 AM PST by Dog (Bin Laden turns up dead or captured in '04!!)
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To: wisconsinconservative
Packres and Favre BUMP *giggle*
43 posted on 01/08/2004 9:03:12 AM PST by rabidralph (All your debate are belong to us.)
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To: HungarianGypsy
We talked about the great food in Wisconsin and some of the odd things Wisconsin people do.

Great food.....BRATWURST?

Odd Things they do there....like wear a block of Cheddar on their head??

44 posted on 01/08/2004 9:03:36 AM PST by Dog (Bin Laden turns up dead or captured in '04!!)
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To: Dog
It's true, I'm a cheesehead...I'm afraid we'll be opponents this Sunday, though I have to miss at least the first half for a meeting.

(used to live in Wisconsin, plus we grew up in Michigan as Packers fans)

45 posted on 01/08/2004 9:03:57 AM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: EyesWideOpen

Double Eagles??

46 posted on 01/08/2004 9:05:26 AM PST by TheRightGuy (ERROR CODE 018974523: Random Tagline Compiler Failure)
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To: Solson
I was surprised to know the Beagles are an NFL franchise. I thought they were a travelling prison team.
 
Aside from Correll Buckhalter, who's likely one missed meeting away from Free Agency, who on the Eagles has character issues?  Or are you just making things up?
 
I know your guy Najeh is an upstanding pillar of virture in the Green Bay Community.
 
 

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

47 posted on 01/08/2004 9:05:33 AM PST by End Times Sentinel (Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory! Fly Eagles Fly, Score a Touchdown One Two Three!)
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To: KillTime
Anyway, there are more GB fans than those who live in GB: all of Wis and much of the Midwest are fans, as well as thousands of us displaced Cheeseheads all over the US.

Absolutely! They also have those Milwaukee ticket holders from when they used to play a few games there who now have specific games they can attend. My dad used to have Milwaukee season tickets (yes, he sold them when we all scattered).

48 posted on 01/08/2004 9:08:51 AM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: HungarianGypsy
and some of the odd things Wisconsin people do.

Oh, tell!

:)

49 posted on 01/08/2004 9:11:32 AM PST by cyncooper ("The evil is in plain sight")
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To: wisconsinconservative
What is it they say about people who can only feel good about themselves by tearing down others?

NFL Championships won by Philadelphia - 3

NFL Championships won by Green Bay - 12

Can you say trophy envy?

50 posted on 01/08/2004 9:13:27 AM PST by trad_anglican
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To: Dog
Aw, Doggie--those chickenhawks from Philly and their Phans are just gangsta wannabes.

Let me know when you get a team.

51 posted on 01/08/2004 9:18:01 AM PST by Catspaw
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To: RabidBartender
Yes Philly is the A hole capitol of the world. I am a skins fan and I like Brett so I am pulling for the Packers. Eagles tend to CHOKE when they get too far in the playoffs. ( Have to say that I miss the days of Buddy Ryan though )..But another point is I went to Philly one evening for dinner came out of restaurant and realized that someone had hit my car while I was inside..No info left or nothing..City of Brotherly Love my A%$
52 posted on 01/08/2004 9:28:46 AM PST by Independentamerican (Independent Freshman at the University of MD)
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To: wisconsinconservative
"... 17-13, Eagles."

Where's the Barf Alert?

31-17, Packers.

53 posted on 01/08/2004 9:30:00 AM PST by The KG9 Kid (Semper Fi)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Two, "greaseball" is a racial slur against people of Italian decent. It's the equivelent of "Polack" or "Bucket head" and reveals bigotry.

Reveals bigotry, huh? Well, since my own ethnicity is 100% Italian, you would be hard-pressed to make the case that I'm bigoted towards Italians. No, it's the gold chain/leather jacket/bad attitude ethnic stereotype which I saw demonstrated by way too many of my paisans, during the two years I lived in Philadelphia that I speak disparingly of.

most of the Eagles Season Ticket holders are from South Jersey, Delaware County, Bucks County, or Montgomery County, not South Philadelphia

Granted, the Eagles draw from a larger area than just South Philly, just as it is ridiculous to claim, as the author does, that 70% of the crowd at Lambeau comes from Green Bay - But the South Philly persona was what I saw at the games I attended there.

54 posted on 01/08/2004 9:30:04 AM PST by LouD
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To: LouD
I personally have never been to Philly but my kids went to a Phillies game this summer with their aunt and they mentioned how rude the home fans were. This coming from a 9 & 11 year old.

55 posted on 01/08/2004 9:38:21 AM PST by wisconsinconservative ("The penalty good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.")
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To: Owl_Eagle
The issue is with opposing fans wearing their colors in OUR Stadium.

If I buy a ticket, I should be able to wear whatever the hell I want, and cheer for whoever I want, without being attacked by the other teams fans.

Ultimately, even football is just a damned game; Are you saying you condone assaults against people for the offense of supporting a rival team? Maybe football isn't really the right sport for you - Have you considered moving to Englad and becoming a soccer fan?

56 posted on 01/08/2004 9:38:27 AM PST by LouD
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To: LouD
I believe strongly in giving crap to people that show up in the wrong jersey (and yes the jersey of the visiting team is almost always the wrong jersey, unless the home team is Arizona or San Diego or somebody like that), but it should never go past pg-13 and you should be able to shake hands at the end and wish them a safe trip home.
57 posted on 01/08/2004 9:43:24 AM PST by discostu (and the tenor sax is blowing its nose)
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To: Ol' Sparky
Guaranteed...if they allow Green to run for 192, the Eagles will lose.
58 posted on 01/08/2004 9:45:09 AM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: Owl_Eagle
You're right. Only their fans have the character issues. :)
59 posted on 01/08/2004 9:46:51 AM PST by Solson (Our work is the presentation of our capabilities. - Von Goethe)
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To: discostu
it should never go past pg-13 and you should be able to shake hands at the end and wish them a safe trip home

Absolutely right; Of course you can joke around, but many Eagles fans, like many Yankees fans, are just thugs.

60 posted on 01/08/2004 9:48:43 AM PST by LouD
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