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[The Man]

This sounds like historical revisionism to me.

[Radix]

That is quite the post.

 

 

"Once the Arabs had acquired an empire, a coherent religion was required in order to hold that empire together and legitimize their rule."

 

" Islam is an invention for the purpose of providing a religious justification for Arab Imperialism. The Conquest is the reason and explanation for Islam, not the other way around."

 

"Once the Arabs had acquired an empire, a coherent religion was required in order to hold that empire together and legitimize their rule."

 

We don't know about the Myth of Mecca because we are afraid to. We, Americans and Westerners and participants of civilization, have been intimidated and frightened into examining the historical truth regarding Islam. Dare to criticize Islam and some crazed ayatollah will issue a fatwah calling for your death.

 

The words must be read thoughtfully and critically, and the wisdom they contain extracted with reflection, not reflexively.

 

 

 

 

[polemikos]

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[Cicero]

Interesting. But I'm hesitant to jump right in and accept what it says, because all this sounds suspiciously like Scientific Bible Criticism which, under the pretence of scientific study of the Bible, was really an ideological movement intended to undermine Christianity and Judaism. (As an article in Culture Wars pointed out, Scientific Bible criticism began in Germany around 1870 when Bismark, who wanted to discredit Christianity, funded a university chair for a professor whose theories he found very helpful to the "modernization" of Germany.)

If there's any truth in these theories, they should certainly be pursued. But don't count on Muslims to be persuaded by them.

[RLK]

Islam is a form of aggressive madness. How much of it is formed from an original hoax is questionable, but worth considering. The followers of that madness and/or hoax are dangerous.

[LibWhacker]

Let's face it . . . Islam began in the year 666 AD.

[RonWebb]

I guess I'm missing the point of this. Are you implying that Islam is not a valid religion because some of its traditions (allegedly) aren't historically accurate?

Christ wasn't born on Christmas Day either, and many of the principles of Christianity weren't codified until several hundred years after his death. Does this invalidate Christianity?

[mtbopfuyn]

Um, it's not the only made up religion.

[VoiceOfBruck]

I hope that dedicated Islamic scholars will appear on the scene to create such a salvatory synergy

Ha ha, me too!

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP

[cincysux]

I like how Wheeler thinks, I read an article he wrote shortly after 9-11 about nuking mecca that made a lot of sense. I thought I saved it on my computer, but can't find it. I searched newsmax archives and couldn't find it there either, do you have a link to it possibly ? I see your posts on LGF all the time, I like how you think too.

[lainde]

bttt

[SF South Park Republican]

Great post. I have been reading Ibn Rawandi and the other revisionists, and find it all fascinating. Apparently a major work is Patricia Crone and Michael Cook's Hagarism which proposes the theory that Islam arose initially as a Jewish messianic movement consisting of both Jews and Arabs aimed at reclaiming Jerusalem with the caliph Umar as the Messiah. The book is out of print, but I am trying to track it down through public libraries.

As long as we are on the subject of far-out theories on the origins of the monothestic religions, here's another one -

The Lebanese Christian scholar Kamal Salibi has proposed that early Israelite history took place not in Palestine but in the mountains of southwestern Saudi Arabia. His major piece of evidence is that place names in Saudi Arabia preserve the names hundreds of locations from the Hebrew scriptures, and when you map out geographical directions in the Bible from one place to another they fit perfectly with these Saudi places. If you map these same directions out on the map of present day Israel and Palestine, they don't fit at all.

Salibi contends that the exile was of the Israelite elite from southwestern Saudi Arabia to Babylon. Later these exiled Jews were allowed to resettle in Palestine where they imposed place names from their ancient Arabian history upon places in Palestine. Thus we get things in the post-exile literature like, "Rejoice, new Jerusalem", the new Jerusalem being the one established in Palestine.
Salibi's main work is "The Bible Came From Arabia". Unfortunately, it is out of print. Rumor has it that the Saudis and Israelis bought up all available copies. Obviously, it is not in the interest of either of them that the Jewish homeland be located in Saudi Arabia. Amazon has two used copies available at $100, and maybe you can find it in libraries.

[Mortimer Snavely]

'As Al-Rawandi puts it:

"The claims of Islam do not depend on historical origins, but on an inner knowledge of God, the accompaniment and reward of piety. What makes Islam true is the spiritual life of Moslems, not religious history but religious experience."'

This sounds like something some of the mental patients I work with would say.

[southland]

ping

[jmq]

MECCA------Ground Zero

[SunkenCiv]

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