Town Refuses to Ask Citizens If Library Porn Should Be Filtered Out - Please Help Us!

Plan2Succeed.org ^ | 22 Dec 2003 | Plan2Succeed.org

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Town Refuses to Ask Citizens If Library Porn Should Be Filtered Out; Plan2Succeed.org Seeking Pro Bono Counsel.

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Something is wrong when a small group of people called a Library Board of Trustees determines that a public library must continue to allow access to pornography despite admittedly being outside the library's mission, the Township Committee claims it is powerless to stop the Board, and the citizens have no say.

[plan2succeed.org]

Everyone, Motherbear is exactly right:

To: Prime Choice

Recently when at the library, I was given a pass to a computer by mistake. I realized someone had walked away from the computer when I saw that he was downloading and copying porn. The guy came back (maybe all of fifteen years old), and I very loudly asked the librarian if it was legal for minors to download porn. She refused to answer me, but I embarrassed the heck out of the kid in front of lots of other people. hehe

Liberals don't care about anything that destroys the traditional society. He could have been eleven and I'm sure she wouldn't have cared.

390 posted on 01/03/2004 1:00:04 AM EST by Motherbear

This is part of the problem in libraries and why the wishes of the citizens need to be followed, not the ALA. The citizens should decide if this type of thing should not happen in their own public library, not the ALA. We have read of a case where a 6 year old boy was viewing porn in a public library and a janitor told him not to. The library management then reprimanded the janitor!!

The whole reason we started this thread was that our library refuses to listen to the citizens and chooses to follow the ALA, and our township committee refuses to put a question on the ballot asking the citizens whether or not they want filters. We don't want filters in, we want the library to find out what all the citizens want, then implement that, instead of following the ALA whose interest it is to sexualize our children and expose our citizens to potential dangers. That is why we are asking all of you for help. The issue is not censorship, not privacy, it's how to get the town to do what the citizens want instead of what a union of porn-pushing librarians want. Please learn more at www.plan2succeed.org then help us. Thank you.

[TigersEye]

...our township committee refuses to put a question on the ballot asking the citizens whether or not they want filters.

There's your problem not the ALA. Have you no elections? Have you no ballot referendum process? Who appoints the township committee members? Vote them out.

[Lancey Howard]

This is the age of the internet. The information age. There are resources available at the fingertips that go light-years beyond anything that any library could ever hope to make available.

Libraries are obsolete.

If the libraries want to stay afloat (for now) with a clientelle of perverts and homeless who can feel free to spray the place whenever they want, then so what? I sure wouldn't let my kids go to a local library that lets creeps sit there and view porn, but then my kids have no need for a library anyway.

Hopefully, as funding for libraries dries up, they will close down one by one.

[milan]

Give me an example of someone changing the lives of others by using the public library. A concrete example.

[milan]

After you give me an example, then please explain how filtering porn from library computers would hinder what they have done.

[plan2succeed.org]

TigersEye: You said:

There's your problem not the ALA. Have you no elections? Have you no ballot referendum process? Who appoints the township committee members? Vote them out.

You are correct. We need to educate the public so they vote for new Town Committee members who will then appoint Library Board of Trustee members that have not been co-opted by the ALA or will at a minimum will allow a public question that they are right now blocking. (So much for democracy, huh?) Here is what we said previously in post 148:

Posted by plan2succeed.org to Theodore R. On News/Activism 12/31/2003 11:13:07 AM EST #148 of 405

Theodore R. is exactly correct. We get what we vote for. But we can't blame people who grew up not having porn in public libraries from knowing that libraries now serve porn on silver platters. Our mission is to educate people about this problem.

Now that is one possible solution. Another is to sue the Township to force them to act as they should where a library admits it is acting outside of its mission. There may be more approaches. Anyone have any ideas on how to get a town to run itself by and for the people, not by and for the ALA's efforts to sexualize our children??

[plan2succeed.org]

Motherbear, you said:

To: plan2succeed.org

"The issue is not censorship, not privacy, it's how to get the town to do what the citizens want instead of what a union of porn-pushing librarians want. Please learn more at www.plan2succeed.org then help us. Thank you."

DITTO! We homeschool, now, but before we did, I was absolutely shocked at what was in the local middle school library. Some of the worst offending books had glowing recommendations on the back jacket from....you guessed it....the ALA!

Most parents are just clueless regarding the liberal organized effort to corrupt their kids.

406 posted on 01/03/2004 4:32:05 PM EST by Motherbear

Sadly, Motherbear, again you are correct. One of our members actually had to leave public school because his kindergartener was given a pornographic book to read. The librarian picked the book out for her as it was the fourth day of school. The library was in a school for K and 1 only. He reported the book to the principal who said the book was worse than he had reported and had it removed. When he asked why a pornographic book was given to his child, the principal said the librararian give it since it was on an ALA list of approved books for kindergarteners! We have since found out the ALA intentionally places pornographic books on its lists for children in what we guess is a sort of affirmative action program for children who have been deprived of pornography there whole lives. We are hoping that eventually we can sue to Township for having to take the child out of public school to prevent the sexualization of the child by the public school librarian. PARENTS, EVEN IN YOUR OWN PUBLIC SCHOOLS THE ALA PRODUCES LISTS OF PORNOGRAPHIC BOOKS FOR YOUR OWN CHILDREN TO READ!!

Here is an article we have on our web site (New York Post - City's Ed. Boobs) and here are our comments that appear there:

"Embarrassed [New York City] Department of Education officials yanked an eye-popping book from 371 middle and high schools because it contains sexually graphic material - including crude street language - that somehow landed on the recommended reading list for students." "[T]he sexual primer was mistakenly put on the list of suggested classroom library books and was delivered to schools." "Parents were outraged." How could this have happened? Could the ALA have recommended the pornographic book to the school in a "Top 10" list? You be the judge: ALA | Quick Picks for Reluctant Young Adult Readers. Why are librarians pushing pornography on children? That we don't know. Is it a crime in and of itself?

BY THE WAY, DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY THE ALA PUSHES PORNOGRAPHY ON OUR CHILDREN? They say its a child's First Amendment rights. They also say its a parent's place to protect a child, not a librarians. They also say they cannot be held responsible for what's on the Internet. All these are convenient excuses or cover stories. Does anyone know the real reason? Can someone ask "Jimmy from Brooklyn" to see if he might know? Thank you.

[plan2succeed.org]

All:

Check out this URL: http://www.protectkids.com/donnaricehughes/article_tgn.htm. It includes this:

"Congress said if you're going to take taxpayer dollars for your computer and Internet access then you're going to have to implement technological tools such as filtering in order to prevent, as best you can, illegal materials from coming in through that Internet connection and getting into the hands of kids," she said.

[TigersEye]

If you consider the books in this list you linked to, ALA | Quick Picks for Reluctant Young Adult Readers, to be pornographic then I guess The Simpsons is pornographic. There were three or four that Amazon.com didn't have so I could find nothing on then but the rest looked pretty tame for teenagers.

[plan2succeed.org]

TigersEye: Our opinion, plan2succeed.org, that is, does not matter. The article was about how the book was viewed as pornographic by the New York City school system and was pulled from almost 400 libraries. We have not read the book ourselves, but we don't have to. We are not complaining about its contents. We are merely showing how the New York City school system found it to be porn, pulled it from almost 400 school children's libraries, and the ALA had the book on its "Top 10" list for "Reluctant Young Readers." We guess the ALA figures if you give porn to reluctant children, they will read it.

Why do librarians push porn on children? Why won't our town listen to its citizens instead of the ALA. This issue applies all over the USA, not just our town, and that is why we bring it to everyone's attention. If we help even one children from being sexualized by librarians, we will have saved at least that one child. But we want our message to get out so we can save more children, perhaps clearing all libraries of this type of porn. Please tell us where you disagree with this goal or why you believe it is unattainable. Besides, I sense you have not yet read the US v. ALA case which says it's perfectly legal to filter computers to protect children. Thanks for posting again. Please continue.

[milan]

He was a high school dropout and formed his theories while daydreaming.

Actually, he had a Ph.D which he earned from college! He formed his theories while working on that Ph.D. and later. Where the hell do you get your information?

I am still waiting on you to give me an example of how someones worthwhile research was hindered by filtering porn at the library.

[ought-six]

"You say your against censorship. Does this mean that you would put a TV set in a childs room turned to a porn station ? Because if you turn it off, your practicing censorship."

First off, I am unaware of any porn stations on commercial, network TV, and I doubt very seriously there are any. If some of the premium or pay-per-view channels have porn, then the kids' parents should not have purchased that package in the first place. In your scenario the fault lies with the parents, for being irresponsible, and not with a producer or network that offers a product that many folks (perhaps not you) may enjoy.

[ought-six]

See my reply to VWRC_minion.

[milan]

The more I think about this the funnier it is. Einstein dropped out of high school for 2 reasons; to join his family in Milan, and because high school was too easy for him. You talk about ordinary people as if Einstein is included. Einstein not only had a Ph.D. in physics but he taught at several universities. Formed his theories while daydreaming? He formed his theory of relativity 10 years after he had his Ph.D. in 1915. I am familiar with the quote "imagination is more important than knowledge", but notice he didn't say "devoid of knowledge". I assure you, he didn't meander to the public library to do his research.

[Always Right]

See my reply to VWRC_minion.

You don't make your point very well. You seem perfectly OK with the fact that porn is not freely available over the airwaves. Do you have a problem with the same sort of sensibility about making porn at the public library so kids can't so easily get it? If you think porn must be easily and freely available at the library, why aren't you fighting to get porn on network TV....

[VRWC_minion]

First off, I am unaware of any porn stations on commercial, network TV, and I doubt very seriously there are any. If some of the premium or pay-per-view channels have porn, then the kids' parents should not have purchased that package in the first place. In your scenario the fault lies with the parents, for being irresponsible, and not with a producer or network that offers a product that many folks (perhaps not you) may enjoy.

You didn't answer the question. Would you leave a TV set on in a childs room with porn broadcasting ? If you say yes then you are advocating censorship.

[TigersEye]

I am still waiting on you to give me an example of how someones worthwhile research was hindered by filtering porn at the library.

I didn't make that argument so you can keep right on waiting.

[milan]

Ahhhh. Looks like you have no facts to base your arguements on.