Immigration Reform Considered After Ridge Hints at Amnesty

Fox ^ | 12-26-04 | Peter Brownfeld

[JustPiper]

WASHINGTON

[JustPiper]

Ping!

[JustPiper]

Bless you Dana, the commitment for the write-in is growing

[JustPiper]

Well, its time to instill something in our youth here, let them do it! How about the youth organizations? How about prison inmates? How about wage minimum and not a penny less?

[JustPiper]

Lets rewrite a New Preamble!

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

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[AlBondigas]

I'm not in favor of amnesty.
Reagan made a mistake & it shouldn't be repeated.
I believe GW is proposing a return to the Bracero program (specific workers for a specific time frame & w/ no other family members incl).
I'm for that.

[riri]

They want to resurrect feudalism, and they have lots of prospective serfs to do it with. If they open the borders, they figure they can just overwhelm us, and our votes will be irrelevant

Exactly my thoughts. I have left the country before and to be quite honest I don't particularly enjoy foreign companies. But I am starting to see the writing on the wall.

In my most pessimistic moments, this is what I see. I see a drastically weakened US. I see a war, probably with China, in which at the end the US basically does not win. I see the world clamoring for a splitting up of our large, threatening nation which (according to the rest of the bizzaro world) has been the cause of so much strife and suffering. I see the United States split. A large part of the SW returning to Mexico or an Atzlan or whatever you want to call it. Perhaps, China would take a large chunk of the Pacific North West. Etc.

I see a new UN resolution or charter that outlines legislation that this threatening country can never restore it's old borders.

And I see a two-tiered world of serfs and UN socialist, UNESCO, feed the children elitest types.

[JustPiper]

Doom and Gloom riri ;(

[douglas1]

TAHOE is really a national treasure it is so beautiful but they have their problems up there too. SPARKS has their problems as well little pockets of ghettos or barrios or whatever you want to call them, these people NEVER make things better. you cant stop the plague .

[Quix]

CLOSE THE BORDERS.
CLOSE THE BORDERS.
CLOSE THE BORDERS.
CLOSE THE BORDERS.
CLOSE THE BORDERS.
CLOSE THE BORDERS.
CLOSE THE BORDERS.

Which word is so difficult to understand?

[JustPiper]

Close (to DC)

[riri]

Doom and Gloom

I know, I said it was my most pessimistic version of possible events. Who knows what will happen for sure.

[Quix]

I see.

The only letter they might understand is C from Commie? maybe an "o"

[superloser]

We are not alone.

[txdoda]

Looks like you misread my comments in this regard. Try re-reading them.>>>>>>>

apologies you way, as I did misread your comment.

but I'm still against any 'legalization'.........;o)

[JustPiper]

It is all a guise for amnesty...period

[douglas1]

I dont believe you.

[AlBondigas]

specifics ? What don't you believe ?

[NormalGuy]

Amnesty loses him votes Really?

How many precincts have you worked knocking on every door? On what basis do you say that? How many votes did Pat Buchanan get? (not counting Jewish grandmothers in Palm Beach).

In 2000, 100% of Hispanics voted for Bush in my 7 precincts and 100% in local 2001 elections (with the exception of one 3d generation Hispanic lady on aid). This was because Bush and the pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-capital punishment Hispanic voters found the local conservative canidates (and me the local face of the Republican party) friendly.

In Nov 2002 my wife and 2 daughters were the only Hispanics to vote Republican... only 1% of my Hispanic voters. This was because mean spirited Republican JimRyan out Tancredo'd all your idols and wanted to abort innocent Hispanic life ... namely pushing for capital punishment for a Hispanic innocent of the crimes of which he was accused... innocent both in fact (Brian Dugan did it). And innocent in the eyes of the court system and constitution.

But you are correct on one account. There are relatively few Hispanic voters. They have an extremely low turnout. They don't like what the Dems say. And they don't like the mean spirited way the Republicans say it. So they have nobody to vote for.

To Karl Rove, the short term benefit in appearing compassionate and not mean spirited is in getting the vote of the PTA moms for whom mean spirited determines which way their swing vote will swing. PTA moms have a much higher voter turnout than racist bigots. But just like racist bigots, their vote is controlled by emotion rather than logic. It is interesting how those two groups suffer the same sin of emotion over logic.

Long term, it is obviously the strategy of Karl Rove, and me, and MOST conservative and libertarian Republicans (who did not vote for Buchanan) to get the largest pro-life, pro-family, pro-gun, pro-capital punishment demographic group in the nation to vote Republican.

The Pilgrims had no immigration papers. They just came. My ancestors had no immigration papers. They just stepped off the boat in Chesapeake Bay and walked until they found some vacant land in Pennsylvania. My wife walked accross the bridge with no immigration papers. What's the difference?

[unspun]

The Pilgrims had no immigration papers. They just came. My ancestors had no immigration papers. They just stepped off the boat in Chesapeake Bay and walked until they found some vacant land in Pennsylvania. My wife walked accross the bridge with no immigration papers. What's the difference?

Without referring to your family, FRiend N: The difference, or rather, the point, is that in the United States of America, we are a nation ruled by law, among which are foundationally important laws of citizenship. Rome maintained order until their strong policy of citizenship was nearly overcome by the excessive immigration caused by their lust for free labor (Spartacus' slave revolt). If we have illegal immigration as the norm due to our lust for cheap labor, we also degrade ourselves as well as our illegitimate "tolerables" and threaten our rule of law and of course... our security.

I had a very good history professor at Judson Col. (Richard Clossman) who used to teach and warn about the virture of treating one another in love (based in the truth) vs. "toleration." Love in a culture seeks what is best, based upon virtuous acceptance of truth and the standards of behavior based upon truth. To treat an illegal as if he were a citizen is a violation of the standards of truth, which while "tolerating" the illegal, does what is unloving to our nation, that is the corruption of standards based upon truth. Many Hispanics are in agreement with this, because of their respect for law, citizenship, as well as truth and love, as you've pointed out.

Sometimes love must be tough --because truth is intolerant of untruth. Eh?

Happy New Year to all! (And citizenship justice for all!) Go Packers, beat the Eagles.

[unspun]

BTW the pilgrim Separatists successfully and equitably negotiated with the natives based upon what standards those natives had. Well really there was only one native who had any claim to the land upon which they settled. He was a Christian who welcomed them and saved their lives ("Squanto"). So should we all demonstrate charity to well-behaved newcomers. I agree with that!