Posted on 12/17/2003 6:09:59 PM PST by Momaw Nadon
PITTSBURGH A researcher backed by cable televisions Sci Fi Channel sued NASA for the release of records she contends the agency has of a UFO that reportedly crash landed and was recovered by government workers in southwestern Pennsylvania in 1965.
The lawsuit was filed Dec. 9 in U.S. District Court in Washington on behalf of Leslie Kean, a San Rafael, Calif., investigative reporter backed by the cable channel and a group called the Coalition for Freedom of Information.
Our lawsuit is aimed at getting NASA to tell the public what it knew and when it knew it, said Ed Rothschild, a lobbyist the Sci Fi Channel hired from the Washington firm PodestaMattoon, who is also identified as CFIs executive director. Former President Clintons one-time chief of staff John Podesta is backing the Sci Fi Channels efforts, and his brother, Anthony, is a principal in the lobbying firm hired by the channel.
Bob Jacobs, a NASA spokesman, said he was unaware of the lawsuit and could not comment.
The filing marked the 38th anniversary of the Kecksburg UFO incident, which occurred in the unincorporated hamlet about 30 miles southeast of Pittsburgh.
Witnesses described a fireball in the evening sky, and a metallic, acorn-shaped object about 12 to 15 feet high and 8 to 12 feet in diameter that landed in the woods, according to news media accounts in the Tribune-Review of Greensburg and other outlets at the time.
Military personnel quickly surrounded the site, removed the object, threatened residents who tried to inquire about it, and left later calling the object a meteor, according to news accounts.
James Romansky, 57, of Derry Township, was then a 19-year-old volunteer firefighter. He told the Associated Press that he was among those who drove to the landing site.
Now, Im prepared for a smashed-up airplane ... and Im thinking, What in the hell is this? Im looking for wings, propellers, motors, a fuselage but theres none of that, Romansky said. Theres no rivet marks on it, no weld marks on it, no windows, no doors no possible way of getting in and out of this thing that I seen.
There was writing on it, but not writing that you or I could understand. I always referred to it as something like the ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. There was dots and dashes and circles, Romansky said.
The cable network announced in June that it was backing the effort to research the Kecksburg incident in promoting a documentary, Out of the Blue, which examined various UFO reports.
This should have been done a long time ago, Romansky said. The United States government has given us a snow job for the last God knows when. I cant understand it for the life of me. They cant come out and say its nothing because I was 10, 20 feet away from it.
Sci Fi Channel officials said theyre looking for an explanation of what occurred. Theyre also looking for viewers.
A November 2002 documentary on the suspected 1947 UFO crash in Roswell, N.M., was the highest-rated special in the networks 11-year history. It was seen by nearly 2.4 million people, or about 2 1/2times Sci Fis usual prime-time audience.
The lawsuit contends NASA has thwarted Keans efforts to retrieve official files on the incident by sending her irrelevant information or nothing in response to Freedom of Information Act requests.
Great point. Traveling at a rate of speed that would take you around the earth at the equator seven times in one second, it would take you about three years to reach the nearest star. Not to sound like Carl Segan, but there are billions of stars in our galaxy alone and then there are billions of galaxies observable in the universe. It sure seems like god went through a lot of trouble just to put life on this one little dust mote located at the very edge of one unremarkable little galaxy out of all those billions. Personally, I would frankly be astounded if the universe isn't teeming with life. I don't know if any of them are dropping in on us or not but there sure are allot of credible people who have seen allot of unexplainable things. This includes both my parents who came rushing into the house one night when I was about 9 and turned on the TV just in time to hear the local news caster reporting in a condescending tone of voice, "Well, this must be the night for people to see flying saucers. It must be a full moon." What they both reported seeing while driving south on I75 just north of Detroit was a very large circular object with counter rotating colorful bands of light moving just faster than the traffic. When it got to be what seemed like about half a mile ahead of them, it suddenly moved of at a tangent to the freeway at what my father called "an impossible rate of acceleration. They said it did this without making any decernable sound above the noise of the freeway. My father was college educated and was a First Class Quartermaster in the Navy during World War Two. Trust me, he was not given to flights of fancy. My mother noted that the drivers in the cars around them were all seeing the same thing. While I have not seen any UFOs myself, let alone any little green men. I remember clearly that night to this very day. I have rarely seen my parents so shaken. Just something for the "Alone in the universe" crowd to chew on.
I don't see any evidence to support the idea that this UFO was a spaceship from another world. My guess is that the Air Force realized the Russians had whiffed one, tracked this sucker as it fell and quickly recovered it for study, allowing the "alien UFO" legend to grow to divert media attention from the fact that we had a top-secret Soviet spacecraft in our possession.
You're making a huge assumption-that we know all there is to know about physics.
I think 10,000 years from now, we might very well have discovered a way to travel interstellar distances quickly
Why couldn't other, much older, civilizations have already made the same discovery?I'm not saying I'm convinced ETs have visited the earth, I'm just saying that it is in the realm of possibility
This bears repeating because this is exactly what happened....
Why is it so difficult to believe that there are other children of G-d living on planets currently unknown to us? Perhaps we are destined to someday bring them the Word. Perhaps they already have received the Word. Most likely there are civilizations so distant that we can never know of their existence and they can never know of ours.
Like I said above, its an awfully big universe.
I agree with Kirkwood though that the vast distances and the limitations imposed by the laws of physics will probably prevent us from ever visiting or being visited by beings from another planet. It is possible, however, that we might someday contact someone else out there and learn to communicate (though the lag time of years to decades between responses would make a conversation really difficult).
No.
"G-d"
What is that supposed to be? Not spelling God is some form of pseudo respect?
For who?
I think God'd find more respect in someone showing some humilty by learning the truth instead of trying to excuse the complete incompetence of conspiracy theorists and their vanity with an arrogant & brutally shallow representation of reason.
You'd think some would've done the math after spending decades camping outside of ahem...area 51 only to have the US Military go public and admit it was the home of the F-117 Stealth Fighter all throughout it's workup and eventual deployment.
Talk about embarassing [what? Did they make up the stealth fighter to cover up the Roswell bodies? ~grin~].
Time to grow up. Get saved, submit yourself to the truth and learn God's ways. Stop chasing your tail people, it's just sad.
Forgetting most of the above sentence for a moment, just look at the phrase "intelligent life" - - that is purely a human notion. But of course, "notion" is a human notion.
I believe that there are other "beings" in existence (let's pretend that "existence" is not solely a human notion for a minute), but these beings would not share any part of our (human) reality. It is quite enough to wonder that our human reality overlaps the realities of other life forms here on our own planet, although this is probably explained by the fact that all the "nature" that we understand is concentrated in the ecology of a single planet, Earth. So our human reality overlaps (that is, we share some aspects in our respective realities) with, for example, insects and plants. Our development occured together, over (at least) millions of years.
But (again) the odds that we humans would possible share any aspect of our reality with "beings" on another planet are (pardon the pun) astronomical. If there are "beings" on other planets, we will never cross paths, even if we were to in some way pass through each other. There are countless realities, and we have ours here on earth, alone. Our "laws of physics" are ours alone. We humans percieve such things as "gravity" and "pain" and "light" and "sound".... These are things that exist in OUR reality.
Look, I love science fiction and I even belonged to the science fiction book club as a teen. I read everything Heinlein ever wrote. But there comes a time when thinking goes deeper than the things in front of your face. When you finally realize that EVERY thought in your head, and EVERY thing that you see, hear, and touch is perceived in a strictly human context, it gets clear that our reality is ours alone.
Regards,
LH
oh yes they can and they will
I guess you're unaware of all of the historical and philosophical evidence for the one supposed fairy tell, right?
I agree. Especially as to why somewhat decent Americans vote for Democrats. That must be an alien conspiracy.
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