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To: LyricalReckoner
This exemplifies the problem inherent in any philosophical system rooted in mysticism -- that means religion.

I know a fundamentalist Christian -- a Bible person -- that would execute all homosexuals, that drove his entire family to leave and shun him, that maxes out credit cards without paying (probably uses identify theft), that lives on garbage -- all the result of his incredible belief in ... mysticism.

They can be monsters.

7 posted on 12/17/2003 2:09:45 PM PST by thinktwice (America is truly blessed ... with George W. Bush as President..)
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To: thinktwice
This exemplifies the problem inherent in any philosophical system rooted in mysticism -- that means religion.

Rolls eyes.

Tell it to those French Rationalists who instituted the reighn of terror. Or those atheist communists who killed something like 100 million people. Or Ted Bundy, for that matter.

The problem it "exemplifies" is that people often do horrible things for any number of reasons.

9 posted on 12/17/2003 2:13:22 PM PST by r9etb
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To: thinktwice
Non mystics can be monsters also...i.e. the communist regimes all over the world. There are bad apples in every group,but speaking as a Christian, I don't know anyone who eats garbage,who hates enough to execute,or who has driven their family away. I do know people who are loving and charitable and who care about each other.I think you paint with a pretty broad brush.
25 posted on 12/17/2003 3:06:08 PM PST by copwife
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To: thinktwice
Non mystics can be monsters also...i.e. the communist regimes all over the world. There are bad apples in every group,but speaking as a Christian, I don't know anyone who eats garbage,who hates enough to execute,or who has driven their family away. I do know people who are loving and charitable and who care about each other.I think you paint with a pretty broad brush.
26 posted on 12/17/2003 3:06:23 PM PST by copwife
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To: thinktwice
what a bizarre person you know.

of course your definition of religion is "From hunger."

for Christian biblicalists (Fundamentalists if you will), religion means "visiting the sick, and the widows, and avoiding the stains of sin." nothing more. nothing less.

Jim Henderson
33 posted on 12/17/2003 4:07:40 PM PST by truthserum (Senior Counsel, The American Center for Law and Justice, Inc.)
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To: thinktwice
Your post shows poor logic.

You talk about one person you know, then conclude, "they can be monsters." As if it's all of "them."

And your assumption that this person is a Christian is shakey, assuming all of what you say about him is true.

43 posted on 12/17/2003 5:07:19 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: thinktwice
This exemplifies the problem inherent in any philosophical system rooted in mysticism -- that means religion.

Careful there, ace. Christianity and Judaism are rooted in history.

True, some people abuse religion. But then, some people abuse atheism (think Stalin and Pol Pot). Their abuse doesn't change the facts.

Shalom.

55 posted on 12/18/2003 6:02:49 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: thinktwice
I know a fundamentalist Christian -- a Bible person -- that would execute all homosexuals, that drove his entire family to leave and shun him, that maxes out credit cards without paying (probably uses identify theft), that lives on garbage -- all the result of his incredible belief in ... mysticism.

Nonsense, notwithstanding your misunderstanding of what a Christian is, the person you described is not a Christian. He's insane, and so are you if you think anyone is buying this garbage.

104 posted on 12/19/2003 8:55:46 AM PST by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: thinktwice
I know a fundamentalist Christian -- a Bible person -- that would execute all homosexuals, that drove his entire family to leave and shun him, that maxes out credit cards without paying (probably uses identify theft), that lives on garbage -- all the result of his incredible belief in ... mysticism.

Either you are incredibly ignorant and have not studied both religions, or just want to misinform. The muslim is actually trying to follow and be a good muslim, the Christian is not.

130 posted on 12/21/2003 8:30:37 PM PST by Lady Heron
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To: thinktwice
They can be monsters.

It's a good link Joseph Stalin, Adolph Hitler, Mao Ze Dung, Fidel Castro, Saddam Hussein, Hafez alAssad, Papa Doc Duvalier, Benito Mussilini, and Pol Pot did not have the problem inherent in any philosophical system rooted in mysticism -- that means religion.

That is such a relief. We better watch out for that fundamentalist Christian you know. He could be dangerous.

137 posted on 12/22/2003 9:51:15 AM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: thinktwice
Yeah, thank...Darwin...for kind, gentle rational souls like Stalin, Mao, Hitler, Pol Pot, Castro...etc.
144 posted on 12/22/2003 1:06:37 PM PST by Walkin Man
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