Regarding Freeper Obit. TrappedInLiberalHell and Depression

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[joesbucks]

The problems of depression and despair.

[Chad Fairbanks]

I'm sorry you had to go through that. (And I mean that)

[stands2reason]

I think everyone on this thread gets yours and Dane's point.

[stands2reason]

If only all those people in the world who have commited suicide known it was selfish, they'd have never done it!!

Get real. You understand nothing about depression.

A clue: THEY KNOW IT'S SELFISH. THEY DON'T NEED YOU TO TELL THEM.

[Beenthere1]

I have been a long-time lurker, and at one time or another I thought to post, but for one thing or another I never did. However, after reading some of the posts on this thread, I believe that I should write this. May be it would help someone.

I believe in personal responsibility and self-reliance. So whenever I would hear about depression or a depressed person, my first thought was that they weren't trying, trying the wrong, thing, etc.

My sister-in-law was (still is) depressed. She is a very smart and ambituous person, with an extremely sweet personality. It is hard to imagine a better person. She tried different therapists. She was also diagnosed various medications, dosages, and combinations of medications. She even changed her job. However, she kept getting worse.

The whole time, I thought it was her fault.

Sometime after we (my wife and I) moved in with her and her parents (my in-laws), she took a quick turn for the worse. Shortly thereafter she attempted suicide. Thankfully, my wife and her parents were home, and after a lengthy medical hospital stay, followed by a psychiatric hospital stay, she was allowed to return home.

For all of the people who claim that suicide is a selfish act, I believe that you must never have been around a person like my sister-in-law. She was not thinking at all. She could not reason. And you could not have a conversation with her at all.

My in-laws were retired and my wife stopped working, so they tried to talk to her and help around the clock. When I would come home from work, I would relieve the others, and I would try with all of my might to get her to read something, get a hobby, think differently, reason with her, etc. Nothing worked, she wanted to commit suicide again, so we had to watch her around the clock. She even said that it would be better for us if she died. In my mind, there is no way she could have made any sort of selfish decision, for the simple reason that she could not reason. There was no logic or coherence in her thoughts. We tried mightily, and when we thought we had made some progress, we notice that she would go back to her old ways. This was the hardest part. As soon as we thought she was coming out, we realized she never left.

For all of you who have suffered or suffer through this, I feel for you, and I wish you the best. We had no idea what to do, where to get information, what was the best treatment, etc.

I too have suffered from depression, but not as bad as her. It was getting worse, so a short time ago, I took the plunge and started receiving treatment. At my worst, I learned a little bit how your mind loses it. From everything I read, I "knew" what I needed to do, but I could not do it or follow through. I could only imagine, how much worse it must have been for her. I have thought about suicide, but thankfully, I think of my wife, parents and sisters, and I quickly change my mind. If i did it, it would truly be selfish because I can still reason. However, as I mentioned earlier, my sister-in-law could not reason at all. It has now been close to one year, and little by little she has been making great progress. She is almost like when I originally met her.

For the wife of Chris, I offer my condolences, and I wish you the best. From all of the nice things I been hearing about Chris the last couple of days, I sure looks like he was a wonderful person, and he will be missed. Sorry for the long rant.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I don't disagree. (Maybe someone here knows precisely what the situation was with TILH, but I surely don't...and I think it's presumptuous of Freepers like Dane to comment on that without more information.) Sometimes, it is that - in the case of a friend of mine whose father shot himself over money he owed the IRS...I am not certain how it works, but I believe he must have left his widow with a very big problem to deal with. Yes, that was selfish.

[Conservative til I die]

Frankly, I am not interested in the personal lives of any person I post to on the internet.

[Senator Pardek]

...are FReepers more inclined toward depression, obsessive-compulsive behaviors, addictions, etc. than the society at large?

By some of the posts on this thread, it appears that Freepers are more inclined to being insensitive "holier-than-thou" blowhard ghouls.

[Clara Lou]

Frankly, I am not interested in the personal lives of any person I post to on the internet.
Good policy.

[Sandy]

I disagree with Suicide and never excuse it.

And I disagree with Cancer and never excuse it.

[Larry Lucido]

PS: Good obsess. Not boil-the-pet-rabbit obsess

Don't knock boiled rabbit until you've tried it.

[stands2reason]

Dane was using a strawman "Freepers think suicide is noble thing" and every post on this thread Dane kept thrashing that strawman around like he's Stone Cold Steve Martin. He also used the fallact of "false dichotomy"--either suicide is a noble act or the act of a selfish coward.

I doubt she was under the false impression that her husband's suicide was a noble act----I seriously doubt Mrs. Chris "needed to hear" that her husband was a coward.

Hey I can accept cold and logical, but Dane was cold and illogical.
You can't expect me to go against my own screenname, can you?

[stands2reason]

Like they're made out of lead.

[ladyinred]

Clara Lou, are you speaking about the kind of depression that you need medication for due to a chemical imbalance? I have several friends right now who have that and are taking medication. They are all feeling much better.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Very well said. From what I've seen on this thread, there seem to be two types of people: Those who feel sorry for those left behind and feel for Chris, and then there are those who feel for those left behind, and are angry at Chris for hurting them... I don't think either position is invalid...

Then, there are some who couldn't give a s**t less either way...

[Clara Lou]

I disagree with Suicide and never excuse it.
What I want to know is this: Who asked this person to excuse anyone? God's excusing is all that should interest anyone. Pretty presumptuous, I'd say.

[Ladysmith]

At the time of my "dead" legs, I was deep into the clinical depression but in major denial over it. So I didn't have any of the meds yet to straighten the brain out. As a note, I had next to no energy at all, it just seemed that the weakness in my legs whenever I walked was the most taxing. The way I see it, the signals to my legs were out of whack and wasn't telling the legs to function the way I needed them to. So they were heavy and almost like dead weights. Slow, weak plodding along as I had to mentally work each step and make sure the foot and leg were stable before taking the next step with the other foot. Once the meds started to get into the system, my strength VERY slowly returned.

However, your concern about diabetes is one I also have. The circulation in my legs improves when on low-carb diets, making them stronger and warmer. I also deal with lymphedema in my legs which is also a circulatory problem and makes my legs weak. But this weakness is quite different from the weakness from the clinical depression. Diabetes is scary stuff - All these Christmas snacks aren't doing me any good right now. Let's get the sugar out of our systems and see how we both feel.

[Chad Fairbanks]

I am not commenting on any of his other posts, but only the one he posted directly to the widow. THere was nothing wrong with what he posted in that particular post. There wasn't even any "strawman argument" in that particular post. None at all.

I don't condemn or defend any of his other posts, but the one he posted to the widow was not as bad as people make it out to be.

[RaceBannon]

Depends on the sickness. Paul's admonition to drink a little wine for Timothy's stomach was most likely something to cause Timothy to not drink unclean water, not to imbibe in alchohol.

Also, the commands in Exodus to go without the camp to make a bowel movement, and then bury it, told to the Israelis, is also a human effort to avoid disease.

Neither of these events are something that you cvan do to yourself, they are things that happen from without, first, then affect you within.

Emotional problems start from within, first, then grow within.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Also, in the post I was speaking of, I see nowhere in which he told her that her husband was a coward - selfish, yes, a coward, no....

[Clara Lou]

are you speaking about the kind of depression that you need medication for due to a chemical imbalance?
I sure am. Medication worked for me, and very quickly.