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Home-field advantage:Should homeschool kids be able to participate in public-school activities?
World Magazine ^ | dec 6, 2003 | By Lynn Vincent

Posted on 11/29/2003 7:08:38 PM PST by RaceBannon

NATIONAL

Home-field advantage

EDUCATION: Should homeschool kids be able to participate in public-school activities? The issue divides even homeschoolers By Lynn Vincent

DANIEL RODRIGUEZ USED TO wrestle and play basketball. Now his friends play for Solanco High School while Daniel, an 11th-grader, watches from the sidelines. Daniel isn't injured. He's homeschooled. And the Pennsylvania public-school district where he lives bars homeschoolers from its sports programs.

Pennsylvania ninth-grader Ryan Crider is also homeschooled. But he made the Penn Manor Junior High football team in seventh grade after that district opened sports to homeschoolers. Now Ryan plans to try out for the varsity basketball squad as well.

Daniel and Ryan exist on two sides of an educational divide: whether homeschoolers should be able to participate in public-school activities. In some states, government schools have thrown open their doors to home-taught kids who want to take classes or to participate in activities like sports and music; others have slammed them shut. At issue are three main types of public-school offerings: academic or "curricular" (particularly advanced math and sciences); extracurricular (such as band or choir); and interscholastic (mostly competitive sports).

Laws in 16 states allow homeschoolers "equal access" to one or more of these types of activities (see chart). Six states bar home-educated students from participating in one or more types. Such prohibitions have usually arisen from litigation in which a private-school or homeschool family was denied equal access, then sued.

In 1998, for example, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower federal court ruling against Annie Swanson, a homeschooled Oklahoma seventh-grader who, with her parents, sued the Guthrie Independent School District to gain part-time enrollment in district music, science, and foreign-language classes. In 1996, a New York court ruled against a homeschool student who wanted to participate in interscholastic sports.

In states with neither legislation nor case law addressing equal access, the question is usually left up to individual school districts or private associations. According to the Home School Legal Defense Association, most states have private associations that hold sway over public-school interscholastic activities. Many such groups have by-laws that prohibit schools from allowing non-full-time students to participate. If a school violates those rules, an association can boot the school out of the league or make its teams forfeit games.

The debate over homeschool participation in public-school activities is more than a fight over laws and rules. Homeschool families themselves are philosophically divided. Those who favor equal access believe it is unfair to bar home-educated kids from public-school programs, since their tax dollars help foot the bill.

"Homeschool families pay millions of dollars a year in school taxes," said Tim Lambert of the Texas Home School Coalition (THSC). "They should not be denied the ability to voluntarily take advantage of the resources of a public school simply because they have made an alternative educational choice."

Homeschoolers who favor equal access also say mixing home-educated students with those in public schools tears down stereotypes. "I think one of the surprise benefits for both sides is that each becomes less 'suspicious' of the other," said Susan Richman of Pennsylvania Homeschoolers. "School folks realize that at least some homeschoolers are really nice, hardworking kids, ready to really give to a sports team, school orchestra, or drama production. The homeschoolers start realizing that not all [public] school kids are on drugs or pregnant.... Some barriers are broken down."

Parents who oppose equal access argue that entangling their students with government schools will invite increased government regulation of homeschooling overall.

"To participate in any government-sponsored program invites an authority that doesn't belong to [government]," said Susan Stewart, a California mom who homeschooled three children between 1981 and 2000. "As more private and home-educated students take part, more accountability for those students will be required.... The argument will then be that these regulations will only apply to those participating in government school activities. But ... our government doesn't work that way. Once the camel's nose is under the tent, he will continue on in."

Parents and groups opposed to equal access also worry that any marriage between homeschoolers and government could choke out innovation such as the homeschool sports and extracurricular clubs that have sprung up to fill the activities void. The 13-year-old National Christian Homeschool Basketball Championship tournament, for example, drew more than 200 teams from 25 states in 2003. The National Christian Forensics and Communications Association sponsors speech contests and debates nationally.

But some homeschoolers have no access to local programs that fit their child's gifts and interests. That was the case with the Lymans, a homeschool family in Amherst, Mass. Wid and Isabel Lyman homeschooled their son Daniel, now 20. Wid Jr., now a senior, is also homeschooled.

When Daniel reached high school, he wanted to play football. But in Amherst, what Mrs. Lyman calls a "quintessential New England liberal college town," there are few homeschoolers. With no opportunity to form a league of their own, the Lymans, "without enthusiasm," allowed Daniel to play on a local high-school football team. Daniel excelled, went on to play high-school lacrosse and ice hockey, and ultimately became the only student—homeschooled or not—to play every contact sport offered at the school.

On the downside, said Mrs. Lyman, he spent a lot of time mixing with teens brought up in an aggressively liberal academic environment: "Danny was smart and not easily intimidated.... He could hold his own, but certainly was very intrigued by public-school culture."

What Daniel really lacked, the Lymans realized, was camaraderie with young Christian men. That's why they chose a different route for their younger son, Wid. On a vacation several years ago, the Lymans passed through Bozeman, Mont., and liked the feel of the town. They later learned that Montana—a state that prohibits homeschool participation in public-school sports—has a vigorous homeschool sports community. Now, in an unusual arrangement, the Lymans organize their work schedules so that the family can spend winters in Montana, where Wid plays ice hockey for a privately run team and basketball for a homeschool league.

Though their younger son has flourished in Montana homeschool sports, Mrs. Lyman said the scarcity in Amherst of sports alternatives for Daniel has made her "a lot more sensitive to homeschoolers who have teen boys looking for outlets. If you live in a community where there aren't a lot of homeschool sports, you're kind of in a bind." Mrs. Lyman believes home educators must handle the issue on a case-by-case basis, according to the gifts and temperaments of their children.

Some state legislatures are considering bills that would remove school districts' case-by-case discretion. HB 214, a Texas bill that would have granted homeschoolers full equal access, died in the House after the Texas education department complained about its fiscal impact. The department's estimate was far too high, said THSC's Tim Lambert, adding that the legislature may reconsider HB 214 in an upcoming special session.

In Pennsylvania, a bill that would require public-school districts to allow homeschoolers to join in activities "including but not limited to clubs, musical ensembles, sports, and theatrical productions" passed the House and is now under consideration in the Senate education committee.

That means Daniel Rodriguez may yet get a chance to play Solanco High School basketball with his friends. "They think it's dumb that I can't [play]," Daniel said. "I hope it changes."

—with reporting by Bethany Toews


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts
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To: Conservateacher
Public school teachers are drawn from the botton quintile of the lowest-achieving college generation we have ever seen in this country.

You can't blame them for wanting to keep the kidss trapped in these miserable moron-factories- without their "teaching" jobs,most of them would be doing other things- things involving fries and special sauce, most likely.

Rhink I exaggerate? Go to your local High School and (if you can avoid being mugged in the hallways) ask a random selection of "students" a few basic questions about American History, Math, Science, or anything else you think they should know to be a citizen of a free Republic.

Rhe results will astound you. These kids know NOTHING at all. Their textbooks are crap, with large print, lots of color, and many pictures- suitable for bedtime reading for two-year-olds-(I expect DISNEY to take over all textbook publishing any day now. and they spend more time playing video games than they do on schoolwork. If they are athletes, they (as a rule) don't DO any schoolwork.

When you recover from your shock and dismay, try the same questions on a few randomly-delected homeschoolers.

We are heading for the situation outlined in Kornbluth's story "THE MARCHING MORONS", where 10% of the population provides the brainpower to keep the other 90% supplied with their welfare goodies and make-work jobs. Except that a LOT of that 10% will be immigrants, especially Asian immigrants, who take school seriously. Homeschoolers will be well-represented in the ruling class, though. See what I mean?

61 posted on 11/30/2003 7:53:23 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE ("It is terrible to contemplate how FEW politicians are hanged" G.K. Chesterton, `921)
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To: BOOTSTICK
"Absolutely no!, why represent a school on a sports team, when the athelete does'nt even attend the school????,"

Hmmm- you DO know that is "athlete", not "ATHELETE", "does'nt" you? Are is yoou a Publik Skool Teechur?

62 posted on 11/30/2003 7:59:05 AM PST by RANGERAIRBORNE ("It is terrible to contemplate how FEW politicians are hanged" G.K. Chesterton, `921)
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To: RaceBannon
The tax argument is not compelling. Taxes are just the opposite of a pay-as-you-go system. They don't determine eligibility. Taxes are not tuition. Granny in the big house down the street pays more taxes for schools than many of the families of students who attend the school.

Eligibility is determined by age and residency. But an additional factor is whether laws allow schools to receive funding for part-time students. If they don't, allowing homeschoolers to participate as unfunded students creates an unnecessary burden for the district.

63 posted on 11/30/2003 8:06:10 AM PST by Nebullis
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To: Zeroisanumber
Just what do you find objectionable about the Drama Club or local basketball team?

They would not exists were it not for the government forcing citizens to contribute money (i.e.: confiscation of property via property taxes) for the propagation of opinions through government indoctrination/daycare centers

64 posted on 11/30/2003 9:02:44 AM PST by ppaul
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To: bigcat00
They let us use school facilities and resources for group classes, plays, etc. It helped the school district (they got money every time a homeschooler set foot on school property) and the homeschoolers, and helped both sides understand each other.
 
How Civilized

65 posted on 11/30/2003 9:30:23 AM PST by TexasTransplant (There ain’t no rules around here! We’re trying to accomplish something. Thomas Edison)
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To: Gabz
Good for you! I, too, a teacher in my system, moved from another county where I lived to put my girls in the county where I teach, and in the area of the county with the school that I wanted for them. I also chose to home-school a few subjects. They both are on full scholarship to wonderful universities and are doing extremely well. My 18 year-old is in her first year of college, but is already a sophomore and will be considered a junior at the end of spring semester. Combining public and home resources DOES work. My area of Virginia is very good about letting parents do that. I'm much further west than you are, though, and it's good to hear good things about that area, too.
66 posted on 11/30/2003 9:37:29 AM PST by GummyIII (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: bigcat00
The reason private school kids can't participate in public school sports is probably the same reason public school kids usually can't go "team shopping" - administrators don't want to have a situation in which one school can recruit all the best athletes. I've heard complaints (don't know if they are true or not) about private schools trying to recruit football players from public schools. I assume the high tuition is a deterent to such recruitment in that case; it wouldn't be for a public school.

Then those schools need to be sure they can compete academically, too, attracting students for the academics. As I said earlier, in my school system, one can chose to move one's child to another school in the district if prepared to provide the transportation. There is simply no way a system can economically provide transportation from everywhere to everywhere in the system.

67 posted on 11/30/2003 9:42:30 AM PST by GummyIII (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: GummyIII
I had checked your profile page and seeing as you are a teacher in Virginia is why I was specific as to what district I was talking about.

As I said, our daughter is only in kindergarten, however she was very quickly placed in the advanced 1st reading class where she is getting among the highest grades in the class.

I guess in a way you can say we are doing home-schooling in some subjects, because of the numerous conversations we have had with both of her teachers who have been encouraging us to do further work with her at home. The teachers have gone so far as providing me examples of the types of reading, writing and math projects they would like to see her tackle.

Because of the nature of my husband's work we needed to stay in this region, but did not have to remain in Delaware and among other reasons, the schools here is why we chose Virginia.

There is program here, originally for pre-schoolers, but now much expanded, that is a joint effort between the Community College and the County school district. They hold a reading hour at the library every week and do monthly "field trips" based on a book they all read at home. It encourages family participation in learning projects and also works with the large spanish speaking community we have, helping parents learn English along with the children. So my daughter is actually learning Spanish, in sort of a reverse process.


As I write this she is in her room, not watching TV, but laying on her bed re-reading some stories she and I had read earlier today. I guess we're doing something right!

And it is obvious you did VERY right with your daughters.
68 posted on 11/30/2003 10:31:33 AM PST by Gabz (Smoke gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - swat'em!!!)
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To: bigcat00; GOPrincess
I understand the validity of the argument in favor of homeschoolers participating in public school activities on a "pick and choose" basis, but I suspect a lot of folks here would limit this participation at some point -- the only question is where to draw the line.

If, for example, a family decided to homeschool their children but wanted to "participate" in their local public school by sending their children to get free lunches there, I think most of us would agree that while there is nothing wrong with this on principle (i.e., the family does pay taxes, after all), there seems to be something not quite right about it.

I would also suggest that folks do some research on the Blair Hornstine case in New Jersey from the last school year. You might remember this as the case in which a student -- whose high school years were mostly spent being tutored at home as a result of some obscure (and some say, fraudulent) medical condition -- filed a lawsuit in Federal court to prohibit her school from recognizing "co-valedictorians." She had the highest GPA in her graduating class, but because her "medical condition" exempted her from some classes like physical education that factored into other students' averages, the school district wanted to recognize a "second" valedictorian who spent all his or her time in school.

The situation is not quite the same, but I think some of the underlying principles in the case would also come into play here.

69 posted on 11/30/2003 10:57:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("To freedom, Alberta, horses . . . and women!")
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To: tutstar
There are lots of kids in Gov't school who still need a hired tutor to get a good grade. Why should parents of GS kids have to hire a tutor when they're already paying taxes?

That's a legitimate point, but once you accept the practice of home-schooled children receiving tutoring at taxpayers' expense you've pretty much destroyed the notion of homeschooling as it was originally intended. Because in order for homeschooled kids to receive such assistance, they are going to have to meet some kind of criteria set forth by the very same public school system that their parents have rejected in the first place. Otherwise, there will be no way to tell the difference between someone who truly needs a tutor and someone who uses a "free" tutor to help raise their standardized test scores from a 97 average to a 99 average.

70 posted on 11/30/2003 11:03:45 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("To freedom, Alberta, horses . . . and women!")
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
People have been brainwashed into believing that children need other children their own age to be properly "socialized." That thinking is bunk. Children hanging around mature adults will mature. We home-schooled our children. Their friends were people form 10 yrs younger then them to 20 years older. They had fun and enjoyed all. They could converse with adults and with younger children. Your kids are lucky. I think people are going to catch on to this and in the future business managers will be giving extra consideration to applicants who have been home schooled.
71 posted on 11/30/2003 11:25:57 AM PST by Dan Evans
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To: RANGERAIRBORNE
The fact the kid is homeschooled reduces the funds the school receives, doesn't it? So the homeschooled kid is consuming resources that aren't paid for. I guess. This is the first I've heard of the problem, anyway.
72 posted on 11/30/2003 11:39:56 AM PST by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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To: Gabz
LOL...you remind me so much of myself when mine were little. I was very involved with their education when in public school. I didn't teach until they were in school, and chose teaching as a profession because it allowed me to be home when they were home, and knowledgable about what they were doing when in school. I worked as a computer systems analyst before then during hours when hubby was home (much to his chagrin, actually..sigh...he's no longer in the picture) so no babysitters or pre-school, ever. Sooooo...not all teachers are in the lower quartile (;-). And speaking of profile pages, I really need to update mine...argh.

You know, the one constant I've found as a teacher is that children who have parents involved with their education (public, private, home-schooled, or a combination) do well compared to those children who have parents that work all the time (or don't care). Your daughter will do well, I'm sure, first because YOU care, and then because she is capable. I have enjoyed talking with you!

73 posted on 11/30/2003 11:40:33 AM PST by GummyIII (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: gcruse
That depends on the system and how dependent they are on federal monies. My system isn't...it's over 80% funded by local funds, and the rest from grants and some state funds. We do have some Perkins money that is used for technology/vocational education (federal money..less than 1% of the overall funds)so that would be a consideration, for sure. It IS based on the number of students in those classes. However, if a home-schooler decided to take advantage of those classes, s/he would be counted in the tally, so that would definitely be an advantage for the school.
74 posted on 11/30/2003 11:43:41 AM PST by GummyIII (I'll try being nicer if you'll try being smarter.)
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To: RaceBannon
Contact sports bump!
75 posted on 11/30/2003 11:46:36 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Bubba_Leroy

Not the chart but a chart.

76 posted on 11/30/2003 11:54:44 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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To: Dan Evans
I have an article saved that was posted several yrs ago here that "Chick fil A" looks for homeschooled teens to hire. They have found them to be more reliable and better able to relate to customers of any age.

We are self employed and our son runs the business now, and our daughter is a manager of a SuperCuts Store.

Becky
78 posted on 11/30/2003 2:37:15 PM PST by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
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To: tutstar
It use to be a federal regulation, and that changed a few years ago. In California, they don't provide the services.
79 posted on 11/30/2003 3:00:19 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
Maybe there is hope for the world.

Thanks,

Dan Evans
80 posted on 11/30/2003 6:06:18 PM PST by Dan Evans
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