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1 posted on 11/25/2003 1:09:09 AM PST by kattracks
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Has Rush been on his game since he came back? I haven't been able to listen.
2 posted on 11/25/2003 1:11:47 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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BTW his comment that right and wrong, are right and wrong no matter what he does, is the right comment to make. His actions don't determine what right and wrong are. He should continue with his commentary and let his listeners vote with their on/off switches.
3 posted on 11/25/2003 1:13:52 AM PST by DoughtyOne
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Rush didn't sound rattled to me. He took it in stride. And he cut the caller off, as he has always done when a caller uses false pretenses to get on the air.
4 posted on 11/25/2003 1:14:30 AM PST by gitmo (Stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty. -GWB)
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No, Rush's actions do not change what right and wrong are. Purchasing illegal drugs is wrong. I have also heard him say (since he came back) that people addicted to drugs should be treated medically, and not jailed. I believe this is a public change in attitude and a sign of growth.

One thing Rush hasn't done yet, that I would like to see him do one day, is apologize. What he did was wrong and he should say so. Right now, he can't do that. He is still in the middle of the legal part of this mess. When it is all behind him, it would be appropriate and would put this matter to rest, once and for all.

I have listened to him and I think he is back in great form. One thing I have noticed is that he doesn't have a tendency to go on *rants* the way he used to. He is calmer and more thoughful. Most importantly he is back on message .. talking about the things we want (and need) to hear about. Everyone makes mistakes and what is most important is learning from them. If you read this, it's good to have you back, Rush.

13 posted on 11/25/2003 3:00:55 AM PST by CometBaby
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The caller "Mike from Miami" had made an innocent comment about a congressional vote and then suddenly blurted, "How do you equate hypocrisy and addiction, pillhead?"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
36 posted on 11/25/2003 4:02:00 AM PST by jaime1959
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Is fraud right or wrong? Why is lying about sex bad but lying to get pills ok?
46 posted on 11/25/2003 4:34:08 AM PST by yoswif
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Not only do his statements make him a hypocrite, but his defenders on this site are right there with him.
I note they are the first to jump on someone for using hemp, as long as they are not conservative "entertainers".
I have listened to Rush since the third month, after he went national, still broadcasting out of ABC-NY, and had less than 100 stations. I have enjoyed listening to him, until the past few years.

He is an "entertainer". He reads something, lets others know about it in an "entertaining" way, and allows a few people to get on the air, with their comments. Because his message was broadcast in, what had previously been, a vacuum, his growth was predictable and exponential. He was in the right place, at the right time, thanks to Roger & Co. Now he has become so revered, that his faults are willingly overlooked, by the faithful, and are perfectly acceptable to the WOD supporters, on this site. That is also hypocritical.

He is now demanding special treatment. He has hired a good attorney, so he can hopefully escape any legal troubles. He probably will, because he is Rush.

I expect a real flaming here, from the robots, but IMO, Rush is NOT ALWAYS RIGHT! He is not the salvation of conservatives. He was/is a man, who decided to take massive amounts of drugs, illegally.

Hmmmm, that is what the guys smoking hemp do, isn't it? Shouldn't they be praised, and their behavior overlooked, as well, Dane? Oh yeah, that's different, it's not Rush, and its not oxycontin!
48 posted on 11/25/2003 4:35:42 AM PST by pageonetoo (In God I trust, not the g'umt! and certainly not the Dims or Redims!)
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For the prime example of limbaugh's hypocrisy forget his addiction.

Look no farther than the double standard he applies when passing judgement on democrat big govt socialism vs republican big govt socialism.

Regards

J.R.
51 posted on 11/25/2003 4:44:17 AM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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They don't call him the (pill) 'head ditto' for nothing.
60 posted on 11/25/2003 4:52:38 AM PST by RWG
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The Dems arsenal: Call an opponent a racist, a hypocrite, or both.
79 posted on 11/25/2003 5:06:50 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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Yeah. It's an overly low degree of self-criticism. That's what hypocrit means from it's word formation roots. Clearly Rush suffered from it, in addictions such self-criticism becomes completely shunted out, impossible. Therefore by root-meaning any addict is a hypocrit.

In popluar use, in it's modern politiczed meaning? No. He's no hypocrit, for the reasons he gave and more. In that meaning "hypocrit" means a person who "Tells othersbut not himself to do one thing, but then, himself, does another opposite, or against what was the loud telling."

So, in the sense of the drug USE, the "pill popping", as the caller poked out .. Rush is NO hypocrit, in that modern sense of the word, for there is evidence he was, himself, attempting to moderate and/or eliminate his addiction and abuse of the drug.

Then yes, he is a hypocrit, too. In the sense that he HAS called for the antithetical to Liberty fines and jail time for users of non-government approved drugs. Banned drugs. Yet now, he cowers before the Prosecutors, running from that very rod he called to be swung against others.

We are adults, we are supposed to be free. We CAN and MUST be allowed to make our decisions regading drugs, and there simply no Federal charter, no charter of authority for the Feds to ban adults from using drugs. Sure there might be some amount of Federal Interstate commerce regulation far shorter of a ban, and excise taxes of punishing levels to boot. But not a ban.

We can best deal with addictions if the addicts can come forward for treatment free of the fear -- which makes them hide, makes them secret, makes them practical hypocrits, even -- of the fear of criminality, of arrest, of jail.

And in that regard, YES. Rush is continuing to be a hypocrit.

Let him speak for Liberty! Against the Federal HYPOCRISY of the drug bans -- some banned, others not -- yet all should be allowed in some non-overreaching regulated fashion.

Let him speak for Liberty! Against the odious "money laundering" regulations that even in these Terror War Days are far too ruining of Liberty and Respect.

Liberty! Speak for Liberty!

96 posted on 11/25/2003 5:22:20 AM PST by bvw
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Rush certainly nailed it with his right and wrong comment, and I'm glad he's standing his ground.

However, I do hope at some point his addiction will better enable him to understand nicotine addiction. While he may have been one of the lucky few who was able to quit smoking with little effort, there are millions who are not so fortunate. For most people, cigarettes are as addictive as heroin. Understand that and it will certainly influence your opinion on smoking issues.

Let's hope he is that honest.
100 posted on 11/25/2003 5:30:03 AM PST by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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I'm glad to hear that Rush isn't letting the Liberals shut him down on the drug issue. I don't think anyone can honestly deny that Rush Limbaugh is now an expert on drug addiction. Rush experienced drug addiction, and should serve as a poster boy for the devastating effects of drugs on a (formerly) solid citizen.

This is a good example of why drugs should never be legalized!

103 posted on 11/25/2003 5:34:11 AM PST by Destructor
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Do as I say and not as I do.... No hypocrisy here!
125 posted on 11/25/2003 6:12:32 AM PST by ocean
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Saying one thing and doing another is the quintessential definition of hypocrisy !

"Right and wrong" my foot !
142 posted on 11/25/2003 7:32:17 AM PST by jimt
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Now its 15 million listeners? What happened to the missing 5 million?

I think it is telling that all CNN stories about rush have come from miami. (despite the fact that the case in Palm Beach is 90 miles away) I believe the maid's lawyer is officed in miami.

The seminar callers are back. They will just install a longer transmission delay.
144 posted on 11/25/2003 7:42:39 AM PST by longtermmemmory
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"Whatever I did I did, but it doesn't change what right and wrong are."

OK Rush, now report to the penitentiary to serve your time and you can talk about it from there without being a hypocrite.

145 posted on 11/25/2003 7:42:46 AM PST by Protagoras (Putting goverment in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children)
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What Rush says is true....but with a caveat...and that is imo can a hypocrite be an honest appraiser of what right and wrong ...at least in the area of 'his' hypocricy...?

We get back to the issue...that even Rush had with Clinton...and that is "does character count?"
149 posted on 11/25/2003 7:49:41 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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My personal feelings about Rush are evolving. Initially I was sympathetic to him from the perspective of empathizing with his horrible struggle against his powerful addiction. But then I began to understand the deeper and long-term implications of his dilema.

Rush has meaning to all of us on a much greater level than that of just a personal acquaintenence. We have granted Rush a priviledged and powerful position in our lives and in our political discourse. "I am nothing without you my audience," Rush says. Well it is true, but I don't know if he really believes it.

Each of us has invested a great deal of our own credibility in the credibility of Rush. Is there any of us who has not had to answer to friends and family who don't like Rush, and are enjoying his trials? The long held hope of liberals to undermine Rush and his listeners was handed a powerful victory by none other than "Ole Rushbo."

No matter how correct the message...it will always be filtered through the image and credibility of the messenger. Rush has squandered and diluted his effectivness as a messenger of important cultural and political issues. It is denial to suggest otherwise. Would you also want to argue that Michael Jackson is destined to be a revered pop cultural icon in light of his "addiction." Will his "image" and therefor his message not undergo a radical evolution? Why should or would it be any different for Rush?

I have been one of Rushs' most loyal listeners for years. But I now listen to him with a different attitude. I don't Trust him. I filter and contrast everything he says through the reality that he has broken faith. I used to believe that he was fully dedicated to Family, God, Country, and his audience. I now know that he served another master. He was not being honest and he certainly wasn't focused on his responsibilities.

It is not a stretch to compare Rushs' addiction to pills and lack of focus on his duties to that of Clinton. The thing that angered me most about Clinton was knowing that his selfish-pigish personal addiction (to sex) would trump his responsibility to uphold the standard of Commander and Chief. Rush is no different than Clinton in that regard...he let his personal self centered gratification trump all that he professed to stand for...God, Family, Country, Career. All his virtuous pontificating was no more than a necessary inconvenience, while he secretly schemed and dreamed about what was really important to him...swallowing more pills.

Folks, addicts use and abuse people. There is no room in an addicts life for true balance. All energy is expended in the quest for that which feeds the addiction. The sincere words of an addict ring hollow because behind them lay only thoughts about their true love...feeding the demon.

"Rushbo", "Jacko", and "Bubba" have more in common than they would like to believe. While they will continue to commamnd the allegiance of their most loyal followers...they will court ridicule if they don't modify their message to fit the reality of their lifestyle.

"Bubba Clinton"..."Family values...that's what I'm all about"

"Jacko"..."We must protect and care for all the children of the world"

"RushBo"..."Self reliance and rugged individualism...that's what made America great...Don't look to others...pull yourself up by your bootstraps."

None of these guys should have the liberty to portray themselves as anything other than what they are...deeply flawed and dishonest individuals appealing to the masses through some unique talent or position, while being primarily focused on and enslaved by their own personal demons.

In my opinion the only thing Rush has been truly honest about was when he would say...."Doing my job with half my brain tied behind my back.
176 posted on 11/25/2003 9:16:10 AM PST by awgie2
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Limbaugh returned to the air last week after five weeks of drug detox in Arizona, only to learn that new reports claimed he may have illegally laundered more than $300,000 to pay for his drugs.

Here it is again... The press going on about Rush "laundering" money. Money laundering is a very simple thing... Taking money that was gained illegally, and making it appear to have come from legal sources. How is it that when you take money that is legally obtained and do something illegal with it, that could possibly be money laundering... Unless you (really, "the elite media") are just trying to smear someone.

Mark

191 posted on 11/25/2003 10:46:24 PM PST by MarkL (Dammit Vermile!!!! I can't take any more of these close games! Chiefs 10-1!!! Woooo Hoooo!!!)
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