Posted on 01/12/2016 1:07:36 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
It appears that the bromance between Ted Cruz and Donald Trump is probably over for good. I mean, it was one thing to see Donald Trump openly attacking Cruz for days on end. We've seen that before, and never before had Cruz taken the bait. It appears that this method of dealing with Trump has finally reached its end in the Cruz campaign.
(CRUZ): >>>I will say that it's more than a little strange to see Donald relying on as authoritative a liberal, left-wing, judicial activist Harvard Law professor who is a huge Hillary supporter (Ed. note - Laurence Tribe). It starts to make you think, "Gosh, why are some of Hillary's strongest supporters backing Trump?" You know, the last couple of elections the Democrats have gotten the nominee they wanted to run against in the general election. It seems the Hillary folks are very eager to support Donald Trump and the attacks that are being tossed my direction.<<<
Welcome to the party, Ted Cruz. Better late than never to call Trump what he is.
I, for one, am glad that the prominent conservative personalities who have been pretending Trump is a conservative and talking about him positively to bolster their ratings, will finally have to choose between their wallet and their ideology (and credibility) in this battle between Trump and Cruz. It's been a long time coming.
Had Cruz been born in 1921 under the identical birth circumstances that he was born into in 1970, than he would not even have been a US citizen. The Cable Act, passed in 1922, allowed a US citizen woman, married to a foreign national and who gives birth in a foreign country, to transmit US citizenship onto the newborn child for the first time.
Article II, Section I clause 5, was ratified in 1791 with the rest of the constitution, long before the Cable Act.. Article I has not been modified by any subsequent amendment. Accordingly, the original intent and meaning of Article II stands absent any such constitutional amendment.
The purpose of Article II, Section I clause 5 was to prevent undue foreign influence on the office of the presidency, PARTICULARLY thru a father owing allegiance to a foreign sovereignty. The framers took their definition for NBC from Emmerich De Vattel Law of Nations, the 212th paragraph of which was quoted in its entirety in the 1814 Venus Merchantman SCOTUS decision. The Law of Nations is referred to in Article I of the constitution. That definition referred to an NBC as being born of two citizen parents and born on the soil of the nation. That definition was cited in the 1868 case of Minor vs Hapersett, and Wong Kim Ark vs US. De Vattel has been cited and accepted in dozens of SCOTUS and federal lower court rulings. The framers were patriarchs who believed that the citizenship of the children followed the citizenship of the father.
The authors of the 14th amendment, Senators Howard Jacob and Rep. Bingham also defined an NBC in similar terms.
Obama is the very embodiment and personification of the REASON that the framers put those protections into the constitution. By ignoring it, we have opened ourselves to the anti American and unconstitutional tyranny that Obama poses to our constitutional republic.
Ted Cruz is head and shoulders the best candidate in the race. He is a patriot who loves this country and its people. He is intellectually and philosophically superior to ANYONE else in the race. As much as I admire him, He CANNOT be considered a natural born citizen, as he is a citizen by statute. He was born with THREE countries (The US, Canada, and Cuba thru his father) having a legitimate claim on his allegiance from birth, whether he wanted it or not. I believe in the constitution and the rule of law, NOT in the cult of personality. We should not yield to the same dark impulses of expediency and delusion that gave us the tyrannical sociopathic usurper demagogue Obama.
Which you can find in the law of Nations, or, if you dispute that, we can turn to Blackstone's commentary on BCW and still find Cruz ineligible.
Not trying to spark an arguement here Trader. I understand people people holding firm to Cruz being the white knight of conservatism.
I'm 50 years old now and done with getting lied to. If Cruz ends up as president, he'll likely do a good job. Trump is just better on immigration and I believe he'd do a better job on trade and the economy.
Really? You haven't seen all of the articles by "sundance" promoting Trump and trashing Cruz posted on this forum for the past 6 months?
I hardly ever watch TV news, but what I’ve seen they are biased for Trump. And Megyn Kelly deliberately threw their debate to Trump.
>> perhaps “Conservatories and Libertarians”, might want to thank Trump for changing the national political paradigm so far in their direction that a “President Cruz” is now a distinct possibility.
Quite a few of us here already feel that way, Johnnie.
I am a Cruz supporter, but I greatly appreciate what Mr. Trump is doing for the cause.
And... should DT win the nomination, you damn straight I’d pull the lever for him. With gusto.
I mean, like the Rats can claim any lock on ethics, but it does speak of Trump`s character, and gives them something to start with. Also says much about his attitude, he admits to committing a serious crime? Either not very smart, or shows he`s comfortable with the idea of buying and selling influence to the highest bidder, a bit too comfortable. The Banking oligarchs would probably find that 'interesting' as well.
So you admit, you won’t go by the Constitution?
It's bad form to use the word "literally" when you say something that is literally untrue.
Stuffed animals Ted may have see the latest poll news out of Iowa. A snippet:
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“The new survey found that only 46% of likely Iowa Republican caucus-goers realize that Cruz was born outside the US. (More Iowa Republicans believe Cruz was born in the US than President Barack Obama.)
But just 32% of GOP caucus-goers said that someone born outside the US should be allowed to serve as president, while 47% think such a person should not be able to serve as president.” -end snip-
http://uk.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-ted-cruz-canadian-birther-iowa-poll-2016-1?r=US&IR=T
Push all his buttons Ted.
Trump meltdown in 5,4,3...
Oh Please. Stay on topic or keep drinking Koolaid. What he said is accurate.
You appear to be entirely irrational, so I suspect that I could give a reply to you in complete gibberish and you will just hallucinate in a reply.
You, a Trump accolade, are laying claim to the conservative mantel with a dictate to insult Cruz’s supporters?
I must say, those of us sitting in the conservative camp don’t see Trump as a conservative, and in response to your statement about Cruz’s comments about “left wing propaganda,” Trump has relished in insulting “a large chunk” of the base and the Left is gaga over him.
Stating that it's an open legal question whether Cruz qualifies as an NBC is an open legal issue is just a fact. It doesn't make him a Trump supporter. Cruz is being dishonest about this by saying it's "settled law". He's too smart a lawyer to believe that.
On the contrary, it looks like Ted got his buttons pushed.
Reagan Democrats were conservatives. There are no conservatives in the Democrat party today.
Nope, even though you just repeat yourself, it's not accurate. Ironically, Cruz himself is depending on the opinion of a single article written by 2 incompetent Harvard dudes who are every bit as leftwing as Lawrence, his own professor.
Can’t respond to the content, so you simply dismiss the messenger. Right.
Was the quote attributed to Cruz not accurate?
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