Posted on 07/23/2015 7:49:56 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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President Barack Obama makes his first trip as president to Kenya this weekend. Kenya is of course where president Obama’s father was born. President Obama was not born there; he was born in Hawaii. He released his birth certificate to prove that, and Hawaiian officials have confirmed it.
Despite that, there have been many in this country who have thought that President Obama was born in Kenya, and was therefore ineligible to be president....
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An official from the Hawaii Health Department quickly contradicted that:
"We don't destroy vital records," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo said. "That's our whole job, to maintain and retain vital records."
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
And no, CNN never explained how a piece of paper which had been “discarded” years before could suddenly reappear.
We have always been at war with Eastasia. There have always been two birth certificates.
Here's something else the MSM never explained. If the released long form is legit, the most probable explanation for the Health Department's failure to release copies to the media is that Obama refused to consent. If that was the case, it would have put Health Department Director Chiyome Fukino in an impossible situation. It would have been illegal for her to release any of Obama's documents without his consent, and it would have been political dynamite for her to state that Obama had directly refused to provide that consent. That might explain her ridiculous press statement, in which she said that she had seen "the original vital records" without specifying which documents she had seen, and without explaining why she had not released them.
“Here’s something else the MSM never explained. If the released long form is legit, the most probable explanation for the Health Department’s failure to release copies to the media is that Obama refused to consent. If that was the case, it would have put Health Department Director Chiyome Fukino in an impossible situation. It would have been illegal for her to release any of Obama’s documents without his consent, and it would have been political dynamite for her to state that Obama had directly refused to provide that consent. That might explain her ridiculous press statement, in which she said that she had seen “the original vital records” without specifying which documents she had seen, and without explaining why she had not released them.”
When Obama held his April 27, 2011 news conference to announce the release of the long form birth certificate, each member of the Washington Press Corps who attended the news conference received a press packet that contained photocopies of both the short form Certification of Live Birth and the long form Certificate of Live Birth and also in the press packet were copies of the correspondence about the birth certificate between the White House and Hawaii’s Department of Health.
From the Huffington Post:
“Last Friday, the president himself wrote Loretta J. Fuddy, the director of health at the State of Hawaii, requesting “two certified copies of my original certificate of live birth.” Fuddy complied. Shortly thereafter, the president’s counsel, Judith Corley of the firm Perkins Coie, flew to Hawaii to pick up two copies of the form. The trip was not taxpayer funded but, rather, paid out of the president’s personal account. Corley returned on Tuesday at roughly 4 p.m. with the copies. The White House announced a “morning gaggle” for reporters shortly thereafter. One aide explained that they did not want to “hold” on to the documents for release on a later date.
Many members of the press confessed to being “stunned” as it became clear what was about to be discussed. White House press assistants handed out a six-page stapled packet of photocopies showing the new and old birth certificates as well as the White House’s legal correspondence with Hawaii’s Department of Health.
And yet it was the press that played a large role in forcing the administration’s hand. CNN’s Ed Henry had pressed White House Press Secretary Jay Carney on the issue just one day earlier, despite the fact that his own network had done a thorough investigation debunking the claims of the conspiracy theorists.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/27/obama-birth-certificate-r_n_854248.html
Savannah Guthrie of NBC News and Scott Applewhite, a photographer for the Associated Press took photos of the long form copy that was released to Obama. Guthrie used her cell phone camera to take a picture.
http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2011/04/white_house_releases_obama_bir.html
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/42779923/ns/politics-white_house/t/obama-releases-detailed-us-birth-certificate/#.VbPBkH-COrU
That is excellent analysis. If one thing in all this is crystal clear, it is that Obama didn’t want to release ANYTHING. The hue and cry had to reach a certain pitch, if you recall, before he would even release the flimsy COLB. After that it took years, and eventually Trump’s loud public ridicule, to elicit the pathetic cut and paste job they passed off as a LFBC.
Apart from other issues, it is obvious the LFBC is a fake from the ‘home address’ listed. It is a residence at which Stanley Ann did not live either before or after the birth. Iow, it is false info.
The only reason a false address would be used on such a document is that a real/legitimate address was not available. Meaning that, since SAD did not reside in HI at that time, and so had no HI address, an address at which she was not living had to be utilized.
This explains the reference to “the original vital records.” The ‘original vital records’ were the ‘handwritten/something written down’ registration of birth which had been machinated, almost certainly by Madelyn Dunham, to provide her foreign born grandson with US citizenship. She had to use her own address for the registration, since SAD had at that time no HI address of her own.
It is an obvious fraud, perpetrated on an uninformed public by a far left media and a corrupt political class. The truth will eventually come out. For what, by then, it will be worth. Our foreign born ruler has wrecked the US as ONLY an America-hating foreigner could. Shame on him, and on all his defenders and enablers.
There was no good reason for anyone to have to guess which "original" form Fukino was referring to in 2008.
There was also no good reason (in 2008) to require America to trust the word of one Hawaii Health Department worker as to whether or not Obama was born in Hawaii, without the release of the corroborating document that she claimed to have seen. Yet that was exactly what Fukino did, and exactly what Obama permitted to happen.
Had Obama ordered that a copy of his long form be released to the media in 2007 or 2008, it would have been instantly released. He decided NOT to order the release of the long form. Now, why would he make that choice?
In 2010, Army Lieutenant Colonel Dr. Terry Lakin refused to deploy to Afghanistan unless Obama produced a valid copy of his long form. Lakin's court-martial received plenty of publicity. For a few minutes and a few dollars, Obama could have saved a dedicated flight surgeon from prosecution. Obama could have at least started the process of resolving persistent questions about his legitimacy to hold office. Yet once again, Obama decided NOT to order the release of the form.
And yet it was the press that played a large role in forcing the administration’s hand.
You give credit where almost none is due. By 2011 Obama was worried that the issue might affect his 2012 campaign.
A press worthy of the name would have tried to force Obama's hand in 2007. When Obama's computer-generated short form was released in 2008, the press should have screamed, "This is at best a SECONDARY DOCUMENT, based on a PRIMARY DOCUMENT, your long-form Certificate of Live Birth! You aren't applying for a driver's learner's permit, you are asking to be trusted with the position of the most powerful man on earth! We DEMAND that you expend the trivial amount of effort required for you to provide the BEST AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION that you were born in Hawaii: your long form Certificate of Live Birth!"
By 2011, and probably long before, the leftist press understood that Obama's refusal to release his long form was a deliberate, cynical, political rope-a-dope. They were more than happy to help.
Obama: "I'll pretend I don't even know that I have an original birth certificate, and my pals in the press won't question me about it, and will label anyone who objects as a birther nutcase! Big political upside for me, and screw those who get hurt!"
The scam worked, but at one hell of a price for the country, and especially for Dr. Lakin.
I hope you are right, but I'm afraid we may have moved into "print the legend" territory.
Know how I know Barry’s constitutionally legit? Because if he weren’t, Hillary’s oppo team would have found it, she would have had a “come to Vito and Luca” meeting with him, and he’d have been in her cabinet. I mean, she’d kill the oppo team if they didn’t find that in time.
Hillary’s team did discover Obama’s foreign birth. It was one of her supporters who filed the first eligibility suit. It is said that she had a plan to use her info to take Obama out. Then Obama played the race card against Bill C.
At that point it was mutually assured destruction. If Hillary had used her eligibility info, Obama would have destroyed her with charges of racism.
But you see how in the end it all worked out. Although BHO won the election, HRC got SoS—and lived to fight another day.
There are two scenarios that would make ‘print the legend’ a likely outcome. One, if a Dem wins in ‘16. Two, if the GOPe wins.
It’s just not looking, at this point, like a Dem or a GOPe cycle. Obama’s policies have led to a sickly economy (in which all new jobs went to immigrants) and a healthcare nightmare that is only getting worse. It’s unlikely the voters will want more of the same.
The GOPe is none too popular either, and perhaps even LIVs have had it with McCain/Romney types. (Jeb has all the appeal of stone cold mashed potatoes.)
If a fearless patriot—such as Trump—should win, it’s likely Obama’s secrets, fraud and deceptions will come out. Right now Obama is ruling like a thug-tyrant, brutally punishing any who cross him.
(Did you see that story about the DHS worker who blew the whistle on lax enforcement, and the government nearly succeeded in taking her one yo baby away from her? There are countless such examples. Obama has implemented a thugocracy to make Stalin proud. Nothing like this has ever happened in the US before, and people are scared witless.)
Anyway, if there is a good outcome in ‘16, look for some eye popping revelations. Once Obama’s ability to utterly destroy people’s lives is gone, info will be forthcoming.
The short form computer print out abstract has been and continues to be the official birth certificate of the state of Hawaii and it has been since 2001.
If the short form was not considered a primary document, no one born in Hawaii could use copies of that vital record to obtain a U.S. Passport.
On every certified short form it states: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
The following is an article in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser in 2009:
The Honolulu Star Bulletin interviews Janice Okubo, Communications Director, Hawaii Department of Health
“Birth certificate styles adjust to fit times and regulations”
Question: What is the state’s policy for issuing a “Certification of Live Birth” versus a “Certificate of Live Birth”? My first, second and fourth children received certificates, but my third and fifth children received certifications. Why the difference?”
Answer: “The certificate contains more information, such as the name of hospital, certifier’s name and title; attendant’s name and title, etc. The certification has only the child’s name, date and time of birth, sex, city/island/county of birth, mother’s maiden name, mother’s race, father’s name and father’s race. Why doesn’t the state just issue certificates? When did it stop issuing certificates? Is it possible to obtain certificates for my third and fifth children?
Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.
The state Department of Health no longer issues copies of paper birth certificates as was done in the past, said spokeswoman Janice Okubo.
The department only issues “certifications” of live births, and that is the “official birth certificate” issued by the state of Hawaii, she said.
The reason for this is, as I had already guessed, the fact that Hawaii was one of the first states to move towards an electronic reporting system.
Okubo explained that the Health Department went paperless in 2001.
“At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting,” she said.
Information about births is transferred electronically from hospitals to the department.
“The electronic record of the birth is what (the Health Department) now keeps on file in order to provide same-day certified copies at our help window for most requests,” Okubo said.
Asked for more information about the short-form versus long-form birth documents, Okubo said the Health Department “does not have a short-form or long-form certificate.”
“The birth certificate form has been modified over the years and decades to conform to national standards and models,” she said.
Okubo also emphasized the certification form “contains all the information needed by all federal government agencies for transactions requiring a birth certificate.”
She added that the U.S. Supreme Court has recognized the state’s current certification of live birth “as an official birth certificate meeting all federal and other requirements.”
The issue of what constitutes an official Hawaii birth certificate received national attention during last year’s presidential campaign. Those who doubted Barack Obama’s American citizenship called the copy of the Hawaii birth document posted on his campaign Web site a fake.
Asked about that document, Okubo said, “This is the same certified copy everyone receives when they request a birth certificate.”
When Mitt Romney released a copy of his birth certificate, it was a Michigan short form Certificate of Live Birth:
http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20120529&t=2&i=613026630&w=644&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=CBRE84S1T4100
Federal law: 42 CFR 435.407 - Types of acceptable documentary evidence of citizenship.
§ 435.407 Types of acceptable documentary evidence of citizenship.
For purposes of this section, the term “citizenship” includes status as a “national of the United States” as defined by section 101(a)(22) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22)) to include both citizens of the United States and non-citizen nationals of the United States.
(a) Primary evidence of citizenship and identity. The following evidence must be accepted as satisfactory documentary evidence of both identity and citizenship:
(1) A U.S. passport. The Department of State issues this. A U.S. passport does not have to be currently valid to be accepted as evidence of U.S. citizenship, as long as it was originally issued without limitation. Note: Spouses and children were sometimes included on one passport through 1980. U.S. passports issued after 1980 show only one person. Consequently, the citizenship and identity of the included person can be established when one of these passports is presented. Exception: Do not accept any passport as evidence of U.S. citizenship when it was issued with a limitation. However, such a passport may be used as proof of identity.
(2) A Certificate of Naturalization (DHS Forms N-550 or N-570.) Department of Homeland Security issues for naturalization.
(3) A Certificate of U.S. Citizenship (DHS Forms N-560 or N-561.) Department of Homeland Security issues certificates of citizenship to individuals who derive citizenship through a parent.
(4) A valid State-issued driver’s license, but only if the State issuing the license requires proof of U.S. citizenship before issuance of such license or obtains a social security number from the applicant and verifies before certification that such number is valid and assigned to the applicant who is a citizen. (This provision is not effective until such time as a State makes providing evidence of citizenship a condition of issuing a driver’s license and evidence that the license holder is a citizen is included on the license or in a system of records available to the Medicaid agency. The State must ensure that the process complies with this statutory provision in section 6036 of the Deficit Reduction Act of 2005. CMS will monitor compliance of States implementing this provision.).
(b) Secondary evidence of citizenship. If primary evidence from the list in paragraph (a) of this section is unavailable, an applicant or beneficiary should provide satisfactory documentary evidence of citizenship from the list specified in this section to establish citizenship and satisfactory documentary evidence from paragraph (e) of this section to establish identity, in accordance with the rules specified in this section.
(1) A U.S. public birth certificate showing birth in one of the 50 States, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico (if born on or after January 13, 1941), Guam (on or after April 10, 1899), the Virgin Islands of the U.S. (on or after January 17, 1917), American Samoa, Swain’s Island, or the Northern Mariana Islands (after November 4, 1986 (NMI local time)). A State, at its option, may use a cross match with a State vital statistics agency to document a birth record. The birth record document may be issued by the State, Commonwealth, Territory, or local jurisdiction. It must have been recorded before the person was 5 years of age. A delayed birth record document that is recorded at or after 5 years of age is considered fourth level evidence of citizenship. (Note: If the document shows the individual was born in Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands of the U.S., or the Northern Mariana Islands before these areas became part of the U.S., the individual may be a collectively naturalized citizen. Collective naturalization occurred on certain dates listed for each of the territories.) The following will establish U.S. citizenship for collectively naturalized individuals:
[Excerpted] https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/435.407
Freepmail.
No thanks for your time-wasting dissertation on whether or not Hawaii regards its short forms as generally valid. That has nothing to do with whether or not Obama's short form was the BEST AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION of his Hawaiian birth. Just because the short form is adequate for most Hawaiian needs and for passports does not mean it is adequate to qualify a U.S. president to serve. The standard for the latter should be as stringent as possible: all available potentially pertinent documentation should be released. The long form contains information missing from short forms, such as the doctor's name, hospital name, and more details about the parents. Those details might have either increased or decreased the credibility of Obama's claim to have been born in Hawaii. Yet Obama didn't release his long form until 2011.
If the short form was not considered a primary document, no one born in Hawaii could use copies of that vital record to obtain a U.S. Passport.
Cute. The short form was a secondary document in that it was created from a more detailed primary document, the long form. The MSM could never quite grasp that if Obama's short form was valid, that meant that a long form had once existed, and probably still existed. If the short form was a forgery, probably no long form had ever existed. The issue was trivial to resolve -- if Obama had been interested in resolving it, instead of pursuing a political stunt.
Answer: No, you can’t obtain a “certificate of live birth” anymore.
You're not keeping up with your leftist talking points! That one was dropped when Obama DID obtain his long form in 2011. Policies intended to minimize work for Hawaii Health Department workers are set aside when a U.S. senator or president requests a little special service. If Obama did it in 2011, why couldn't he have done it in 2007?
When Mitt Romney released a copy of his birth certificate, it was a Michigan short form Certificate of Live Birth:
So what? There was absolutely no controversy about whether or not Mitt Romney was born a United States citizen. Both of his parents were U.S. citizens and he was born in Detroit. Had there been any controversy, I'm sure that Romney would have provided his long form immediately. Had he not done so, the MSM would have demanded it.
I expect you will respond to this with more copy and paste nonsense that ignores the substance of my posts. Don't bother.
Mark Ndesandjo is the son of Barack Obama’s late father and his third wife, an American woman named Ruth Nidesand who runs the up-market Maduri kindergarten in Nairobi.
Obama, however, refers to him simply as “my brother” and says he was the only uncontested heir after their father, a Kenyan, died in a car crash in 1982.
“Barack Obama’s brother pushes Chinese imports on US”; The Sunday Times (UK); July 27, 2008
Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution: “Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, RECORDS, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”
Whatever the state of Hawaii says is a valid and certified birth record of their state MUST be accepted in every other state and in the case of the Obama short form computer print out abstract, no state rejected it.
Every Hawaii short form Certification of Live Birth states “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
No state or federal court has ever rejected a certified short form from Hawaii.
The policy under the Governor Linda Lingle Administration was not to release long forms. When the Abercrombie administration took over in 2011, they changed the policy. You still have to make a special request, as Obama did, to get a copy of an original long form. Governor Lingle was a Republican; Governor Abercrombie was a Democrat and a college friend of Obama’s parents.
Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney was born at Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico. Mitt’s grandfather was the leader of a group of Mormons who left the United States for Mexico in order to practice polygamy without government interverence.
Questions might have been raised about whether Mitt’s father being born with Mexican citizenship as an expatriate from the U.S. impacted his status.
But the Michigan short form was good enough, even though it says that it is VOID on it four times.
But, since it's good enough for you, I'll just copy and past part of my answer to you above:
Wow. How dishonest. No thanks for your time-wasting dissertation on whether or not Hawaii regards its short forms as generally valid. That has nothing to do with whether or not Obama's short form was the BEST AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION of his Hawaiian birth. Just because the short form is adequate for most Hawaiian needs and for passports does not mean it is adequate to qualify a U.S. president to serve. The standard for the latter should be as stringent as possible: all available potentially pertinent documentation should be released. The long form contains information missing from short forms, such as the doctor's name, hospital name, and more details about the parents. Those details might have either increased or decreased the credibility of Obama's claim to have been born in Hawaii. Yet Obama didn't release his long form until 2011.
You apparently want to pretend that releasing the long form in 2007 would have been illegal. It was never illegal for the Hawaii Health Department to release a birth certificate in the exact same manner they had used for decades before shifting to the computerized short forms. Hawaii's preference for short forms was not state law, but simply a DEPARTMENT POLICY intended to increase efficiency. The policy was never intended to deprive Hawaiian citizens of copies of their original birth documentation, on those very rare occasions where there was a legitimate need. The Health Department is in the document-providing business, not the document-hiding business.
Obviously, Obama had a legitimate need for the long form. Obama did not receive his long form Certificate of Live Birth until 2011 ONLY because he did not ask for it until 2011.
Yes, obtaining the form would have required approval of someone in Health Department management, possibly Dr. Fukino. Obtaining that approval might have required ten minutes on the phone for an Obama staffer. In the unlikely event that the request failed, Obama's staff could have easily escalated the request to the governor. The notion that any Hawaiian governor would have denied Senator Obama's request for his long form is laughable. However, in the impossible event that the request was denied, Obama could have complained to the press:
"Hey, I've been trying to convince the Hawaii Health Department and the Hawaiian governor to release my long form birth certificate, but they just won't do it!"
That would have been in all the papers. It never happened.
The form was released when Obama first asked for it to be released, in 2011, before for the 2012 election.
I think his idea was to force his political enemies to expend a lot of time, effort, money, and credibility in pursuing the notion that he was not an American citizen. Once they had committed themselves, he would spring the long form on them, and make them look like fools. It was a less-than-brilliant plan, and he waited too long. Perhaps the "crazy birthers" meme was just too much fun for him and for the press. Eventually even leftist shills like Chris Matthews took the time to actually look into the issue, found out that the long form probably existed, and asked Obama to release it. Continuing to hide the form was unlikely to help Obama much, and the prospect of some rogue Republican Secretary of State taking him off the 2012 ballot unless he provided a long form must have crossed Obama's mind.
This long-running political stunt revealed Obama's contempt for the many millions of Americans who had a legitimate interest in knowing whether or not their president was qualified to hold the office. Obama didn't lift a finger to prevent Dr. Terry Lakin's court-martial. Lakin sacrificed his career to try to force Obama to produce the long form, and Obama's response was "Screw the military and screw you!"
Disgraceful and disgusting.
(You appear to be a leftist troll, and I won't respond to your future copy & paste posts. You should not be on FR.)
Post 72 — THIS!
It’s all right there in a concise, excellently spelled-out nutshell. Namely, if Obama was an adult who operated with even a modicum of decency and good faith, he’d have released his LFBC as soon as questions arose. He would have accompanied it with a bare minimum of statesmanship, such as,
‘The voters pay my salary, my security, my living expenses, and too many other obligations to mention. They are the boss. I work for them. Therefore it is entirely within their prerogative to request to see my credentials. I am pleased to provide them.’
Instead we got Obama’s childish, malignant narcissistic game-playing for years on end. It was Trump who eventually forced the issue, resulting in a facile forgery.
And now the petulant man-child is even lying about that.
Ok, bear in mind I’m only getting one half of this exchange. That is because I stopped reading obot word-walls some time ago. I used to read them, but the obots abused the privilege. They posted ever longer, never-ending word walls, evidently under the misconception that One, what they were saying was in any way fresh or innovative (as opposed to the same tired verbiage they’d already posted hundreds of times), and Two, that those of us on the receiving end had nothing better to do than read mindnumbingly repetitious boilerplate.
Wrong on both counts.
Anyway, back to your post. It is inconceivable to me that anyone could in any way, shape or form have implied that Obama could not produce the LFBC [either the one he claims he found, or via HI records]. [Unless of course it was argued that he could not produce it bc it did not exist. That, prior to the forgery, was true.] Literally inconceivable.
I read your patient, well-stated, factual and accurate reply. You demonstrated far more accommodation than I could have mustered in your place. If some obot implied to me that Obama *couldn’t* obtain a LFBC, here is how I would have answered:
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Not as eloquent as your reply, but certainly on point. :)
I agree with you that it was never illegal to release the long form. I also agree that Obama could have requested a copy of the long form way before 2011.
In view of Obama’s 2008 election opponent being born outside of the U.S. proper and never releasing a birth certificate and Obama’s 2012 opponent having a father who was born in Mexico and he only releasd a Michigan short form, the fact that Obama did not release a long form at an earlier date obviously had little to no impact on his electability.
What Obama released and when he released it was Democrat campaign strategy designed to get him the most liberal and left leaning independent votes. Why would anyone expect a leftist to stop acting like a leftist? The birth certificate for Obama was always about campaign strategy.
Under federal statutes, because of the more stringent standards, a U.S. Passport is primary evidence of citizenship and identity and a birth certificate is secondary evidence.
42 CFR 435.407 - Types of acceptable documentary evidence of citizenship.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/42/435.407
The troll's posts are not entirely without merit, in that they offer some insight into what passes for critical thought in the minds of leftists. Here's my paraphrase of one such "thought":
"Mitt Romney only produced a short form, so Obama's short form should have been good enough!"
No serious questions were raised about Romney's short form birth certificate, because it confirmed what was already widely known. Romney's parents were national figures long before he ran for president. His parents' personal histories, including the story of his birth, were in the public record.
Here's the important thing: Mitt Romney's parents were both fully-adult American citizens when he was born. EACH of Romney's parents was able to convey U.S. citizenship to Mitt, no matter where on earth he was born. That is, Mitt's mother could have conveyed her U.S. citizenship to Mitt even without an American father, and Mitt's father could have conveyed his U.S. citizenship without an American mother. Only one fully-adult American parent was needed to convey citizenship, and Mitt had two.
However, had the issue of his short-form vs. long-form birth certificate somehow been seriously raised, Romney would have resolved it in days. Not in four years, in DAYS. He would NEVER have permitted anything like the court-martial of Dr. Terry Lakin to occur so he could pursue a nasty partisan political stunt. He would NEVER have tolerated widespread doubts that he was qualified to serve. Mitt is a decent man.
Obama's circumstance was entirely different. Neither of Obama's parents could convey American citizenship to Obama, had he been born outside the U.S. Instead of having two citizenship-conveying parents, Obama had exactly zero. Obama's father was Kenyan, and Obama's mother at age 18 was one year too young to convey citizenship. (If anyone still wants confirmation of that last fact, read section "7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301" in this State Department document: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf).
Had Obama been born outside the United States, he would not be an American citizen. That's why it was so critically important that he provide the best documentation available that he had indeed been born in the United States. Until 2011, he chose not to provide that documentation, so he could pursue a political stunt.
(I bet only about 5% of Americans know what I posted above, thanks to the successful information embargo on this subject by our vile leftist media.)
What a masterful reply. One of my greatest pleasures is to read a well stated, cohesive and compelling argument. This one covers every base.
One, there were no rational, serious questions about Romney. His life and citizenship were open books. [Nor had he claimed for 16 yrs to be born in Kenya, or written a ‘memoir’ packed with wholesale lies (though in Obama’s case, the author was Bill Ayers).
Two, if Obama was foreign born, he was disqualified.
Therefore, as you said, it would have been appropriate to release the LFBC ASAP, in order to lay the matter to rest.
You and I have but one minor disagreement. Namely, whereas you see a political stunt, I see a con artist who actually had no LFBC to release.
Two points. One, multiple eye witnesses described Obama’s original ‘birth revords’ as “handwritten.” We also see that both the birth announcements and the eventually released LFBC listed a false ‘home address’—i.e.: one at which SAD and the baby NEVER resided.
All this points to but one logical conclusion. Granny Dunham registered a HI birth for her foreign born grandson, and used her own addy in place of the nonexistent HI address for her daughter.
All of which means Obama had no LFBC to release, hence the COLB.
Here is the second reason I don’t believe the delay was a stunt. The obots will tell you the birther issue was good for Obama, but the polls consistently showed just the opposite. When little was said about Obama’s foreign birth, or when the leftist press had complete control of the spin, the issue was neutral.
However, when someone like Trump pounded Obama on the issue—i.e.: when it was presented in a serious way, Obama’s credibility took a major hit, and the percentage of people who believed Obama was foreign born rose steadily.
So in fact the issue was disastrous for Obama. That explains why the LFBC was so hastily slapped together, and reveals itself so obviously to be a cut and paste forgery. Obama was suffering in the polls to the extent that something had to be done, and quickly. We can all thank Trump for that.
Anyway that’s my take. Ymmd. In any event, thanks for the great input. I love reading your posts!
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