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To: TChad

Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution: “Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, RECORDS, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.”

Whatever the state of Hawaii says is a valid and certified birth record of their state MUST be accepted in every other state and in the case of the Obama short form computer print out abstract, no state rejected it.

Every Hawaii short form Certification of Live Birth states “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.”
No state or federal court has ever rejected a certified short form from Hawaii.

The policy under the Governor Linda Lingle Administration was not to release long forms. When the Abercrombie administration took over in 2011, they changed the policy. You still have to make a special request, as Obama did, to get a copy of an original long form. Governor Lingle was a Republican; Governor Abercrombie was a Democrat and a college friend of Obama’s parents.

Mitt Romney’s father, George Romney was born at Colonia Dublán, Galeana, Chihuahua, Mexico. Mitt’s grandfather was the leader of a group of Mormons who left the United States for Mexico in order to practice polygamy without government interverence.

Questions might have been raised about whether Mitt’s father being born with Mexican citizenship as an expatriate from the U.S. impacted his status.
But the Michigan short form was good enough, even though it says that it is VOID on it four times.


74 posted on 07/29/2015 12:44:33 AM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: Nero Germanicus
Does the DNC pay you by the word? You really should give them a discount for your copy & pasting.

But, since it's good enough for you, I'll just copy and past part of my answer to you above:

Wow. How dishonest. No thanks for your time-wasting dissertation on whether or not Hawaii regards its short forms as generally valid. That has nothing to do with whether or not Obama's short form was the BEST AVAILABLE DOCUMENTATION of his Hawaiian birth. Just because the short form is adequate for most Hawaiian needs and for passports does not mean it is adequate to qualify a U.S. president to serve. The standard for the latter should be as stringent as possible: all available potentially pertinent documentation should be released. The long form contains information missing from short forms, such as the doctor's name, hospital name, and more details about the parents. Those details might have either increased or decreased the credibility of Obama's claim to have been born in Hawaii. Yet Obama didn't release his long form until 2011.

You apparently want to pretend that releasing the long form in 2007 would have been illegal. It was never illegal for the Hawaii Health Department to release a birth certificate in the exact same manner they had used for decades before shifting to the computerized short forms. Hawaii's preference for short forms was not state law, but simply a DEPARTMENT POLICY intended to increase efficiency. The policy was never intended to deprive Hawaiian citizens of copies of their original birth documentation, on those very rare occasions where there was a legitimate need. The Health Department is in the document-providing business, not the document-hiding business.

Obviously, Obama had a legitimate need for the long form. Obama did not receive his long form Certificate of Live Birth until 2011 ONLY because he did not ask for it until 2011.

Yes, obtaining the form would have required approval of someone in Health Department management, possibly Dr. Fukino. Obtaining that approval might have required ten minutes on the phone for an Obama staffer. In the unlikely event that the request failed, Obama's staff could have easily escalated the request to the governor. The notion that any Hawaiian governor would have denied Senator Obama's request for his long form is laughable. However, in the impossible event that the request was denied, Obama could have complained to the press:

"Hey, I've been trying to convince the Hawaii Health Department and the Hawaiian governor to release my long form birth certificate, but they just won't do it!"

That would have been in all the papers. It never happened.

The form was released when Obama first asked for it to be released, in 2011, before for the 2012 election.

I think his idea was to force his political enemies to expend a lot of time, effort, money, and credibility in pursuing the notion that he was not an American citizen. Once they had committed themselves, he would spring the long form on them, and make them look like fools. It was a less-than-brilliant plan, and he waited too long. Perhaps the "crazy birthers" meme was just too much fun for him and for the press. Eventually even leftist shills like Chris Matthews took the time to actually look into the issue, found out that the long form probably existed, and asked Obama to release it. Continuing to hide the form was unlikely to help Obama much, and the prospect of some rogue Republican Secretary of State taking him off the 2012 ballot unless he provided a long form must have crossed Obama's mind.

This long-running political stunt revealed Obama's contempt for the many millions of Americans who had a legitimate interest in knowing whether or not their president was qualified to hold the office. Obama didn't lift a finger to prevent Dr. Terry Lakin's court-martial. Lakin sacrificed his career to try to force Obama to produce the long form, and Obama's response was "Screw the military and screw you!"

Disgraceful and disgusting.

(You appear to be a leftist troll, and I won't respond to your future copy & paste posts. You should not be on FR.)

75 posted on 07/31/2015 3:09:50 AM PDT by TChad
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