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At least she plays one on TV (Comparing Rep. Bachmann and Gov. Palin's records)
Renew America ^ | July 11, 2011 | Helen Valois

Posted on 07/11/2011 1:42:46 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As a conservative activist in an area of the country largely believed to be a remote suburb of the Twin Cities, I am increasingly encountering a general assumption — at family gatherings, on the air, and in casual conversation — that I am a big supporter of Michelle Bachmann. I fully realize, of course, that I am supposed to be. I'm just not.

The problem with Tea Party-type Bachmann supporters is that they haven't been paying attention. You'll hear it said that, "At least, she's better than Barack Obama." So was John McCain. You'll hear it said that, "At least, she doesn't have all the negatives of a Palin candidacy." That's because she doesn't have Sarah's record, or her guts, either. If she did, Bachmann would never have been proffered an apology for merely being called a "flake." The former governor of Alaska is a conservative. Her would-be political clone only plays one on TV.

Now, don't get me wrong. I am not saying that Bachmann is insincere. Her voting history and her life story all indicate that she is. What I am saying is that, if you listen to her words and not the hype, you will easily perceive that Michelle's stock in trade is playing both sides of the Republican divide. Allow me to explain.

In scams, you have the role called, "cooling out the mark." It's kind of like the "good cop — bad cop" thing, where one person's job is to make sure that the person being scammed doesn't realize it, or at least doesn't try to do anything about it. This, by default or on purpose, has become the Bachmann role on the national Republican scene.

Whenever the GOP leadership decides to stab its base in the back, to let us down, to put political expediency above principle — and one could set one's clock by this phenomenon — it is Bachman who goes all over the airwaves making excuses for them. Listen for it. It will always be Michelle who is there to "cool out the" — well, "remark." I remember Bachmann being at the forefront, for example, of the "Repeal and Replace" groundswell that helped drive the huge Republican victories of last November. Now that that uproar has died down, her silence is as deafening as anybody else's.

On Hannity a while ago, Bachmann was touting herself as a "unifying" figure. There are Democrats and independents who approach her to express their support, she contended. The obvious question arises: Why? Why, at this extremely early stage in the game, would that be the case? Are they schizophrenic, or do they also perceive that she is not who she claims to be?

The only unity it is possible to achieve is the unity of a return to our national identity, based as it is on the Declaration and the Constitution, with their ineluctable recognition of the sovereignty of our Creator, God. The quixotic attempt to bridge the gap of the American political divide in any other way has already been attempted. Just ask Newt. The famous definition of stupidity as doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result, applies to conservatives as well as liberals.

As the primary season unfolds, I have diligently been trying to give Bachmann the benefit of the doubt, but in order to do that, there has to be some doubt there to work with. And as I say, I understand why people tend to assume that I back the bright, family-friendly, Palinesque-but-not-actually-Sarah-herself conservative activist from my own geographical region, who is ever ready to carry the Tea Party banner as far forward as serves her own political purposes.

I know I am supposed to like Michelle Bachmann.

I just don't.


TOPICS: Campaign News; Issues; Parties; U.S. Congress
KEYWORDS: bachmann; michelebachmann; palin; teaparty
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To: lonestar

Check post #46, where I wrote it all down.


121 posted on 07/12/2011 12:36:29 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: raybbr

Here is another bit, that really upsets me, and no one seems willing to acknowlege here on FR...

As mayor of Wasilla, Sarah Palin increased the town budget from 4 million to 6 million. This is a town of 5,000. We need government to cost us less, not more.

She also pushed for an increase in the sales tax. (there are local taxes but no state taxes) She charged ahead with the Menard sports arena, without doing any research, which cost the town millions to fight for clear title to the land. Here is the disturbing thing: the town, under Sarah’s leadership, and after she left, of course; fought a private landowner, Gary Lundgren, to grab his property under the “imminent domain” position! He didn’t want to sell it for what they wanted to pay, so they went to court and took it. This is wrong, and in my opinion UN-American. It is everything we hate about government!

So, as mayor, Sarah Palin took private property; she raised taxes and she increased the government budget and supported pork barrel spending. Why would I vote for this?!


122 posted on 07/12/2011 12:45:01 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: rob777
I agree, Sarah can really stir up a conservative crowd, the way Obama stirs up a liberal one. But, that didn't mean he could lead, and it doesn't mean Sarah can either!

Sarah lists as one accomplishment, a raise in taxes on the major oil companies. A decidedly liberal policy. And one that has proven to be the WRONG move! At the time Sarah Palin was elected governor, Alaska was pumping 759,000 barrels of oil per day according to Alyeska Pipeline Company. Sarah worked to pass what is known as “Alaska's Clear and Equitable Share”, ACES for short. This is a base rate of 25 percent, witha progressive SURCHARGE, when a company's profits top $30 a barrel.

When Sarah left office in 2009, oil production had dropped to 672,000 barrels per day. The oil company executives say that it is directly associated to Palin’s tax increase. BP, just one of the companies invested in the pipeline, invested 20 billion dollars around the world, and none of it was in Alaska! The tax has stymied investment in the state. Which is why the new governor and the state legislature repealed the Palin tax. Only Democrats supported ACES...tells you something doesn't it.

ACES was very much NOT a REAGAN “conservative” legislation

Also, three years later and her much touted gas pipeline plan has become an expensive failure. A huge flop! Sarah touted her plan and was excited to say: “we're building” ...but in fact all she did was actually obligate the state of Alaska to pay up to $500 million to a company who has no chance of building a natural gas pipeline because they have no gas, no customers and no credit.

People, she doesn't have a clue as to what she is doing. She doesn't have the experience or the education that Bachmann has. She has NOT proven herself to be a “leader” in the least. Her “accomplishments” led to her RESIGNATION, STAGNATION in the state, and OBLIGATION to pay for failure; and I fear if she became President, we would be a hurting nation!

123 posted on 07/12/2011 1:42:19 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: tuckrdout
Another problem was allowing the frivolous lawsuits to drive her out of office. She championed and signed the ill advised ethics law that made this possible. With a Republican controlled legislature ad still high favor-ability, she could have pushed to have these laws repealed or revised. Instead she left the mess for someone else to clean up. The financial fiasco over the sports complex in Wasilla was another case of leaving office in the middle of a mess. It could be argued that the legal controversy over the issue of eminent domain was unforeseen. That may be so, but by the time Sarah left the Mayor's office, the fiscal mess they were in was clear. It would be easy for Palin’s opponents to come up with a slogan like “when the going gets tough, she gets going”.
124 posted on 07/12/2011 2:09:54 PM PDT by rob777
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To: rob777
Wasilla had $1.2 million in long term debt when Palin(™) took office as Mayor.

Wasilla had $23 million in long term debt when Palin(™) left office.

Her utter screw-up of a simple land deal that would have cost Wasilla less than $300K if she knew what she was doing ended up costing the town almost $3 million after years of legal battles and the use of emminent domain.

125 posted on 07/12/2011 2:16:38 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911
"Her utter screw-up of a simple land deal that would have cost Wasilla less than $300K if she knew what she was doing ended up costing the town almost $3 million after years of legal battles and the use of emminent domain."


I was trying to cut her a little slack, but that sums it up pretty well. She then bailed when things got messy, a performance she repeated as Governor. (Bailing when things got messy instead of sticking around to fix a mess she had a role in creating)
126 posted on 07/12/2011 2:25:13 PM PDT by rob777
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To: rob777
Palin's(™) tenure as mayor of Wasilla was term-limited.

The real reason to look at her time in that position is because the palinistas trot it out as proof of her stellar executive abilities. The one big deal that would illustrate that was the ice-rink-to-nowhere. It was her project from day-one, and it was a fiasco.

127 posted on 07/12/2011 2:50:52 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911
"Palin's(™) tenure as mayor of Wasilla was term-limited."


Thanks, I stand corrected.
128 posted on 07/12/2011 5:23:34 PM PDT by rob777
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To: rob777

Exactly. Also the huge mess of the natural gas pipeline.

She has ideas and doesn’t know how to make them work. She spouts slogans, but offers no solutions.

We already have a guy in office like that. We need someone else. I am not even saying Bachmann is that person. I see her also as a person with ideas...she offers solutions, but doesn’t seem to be able to push them through. she also has no military experience or knowledge.

I am losing hope. I think I would like Condi Rice.


129 posted on 07/12/2011 5:44:47 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: rob777

Even though she had to read a script, things got pretty “messy” here and she didn’t even know it.

Really, she had the worst staff of any politician ever...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJd_vm9VhpU


130 posted on 07/12/2011 5:58:36 PM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: rob777

No problem....and there’s more than enough in the Trademark’s slim resume that should be explored...like SBS, the ice-rink deal, the Palin(™) house, Palin’s(™) paid TV commercials for them and their sponsorship of the first dude’s racing team.


131 posted on 07/12/2011 6:19:31 PM PDT by wtc911 ("How you gonna get down that hill?")
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To: wtc911

I am only vaguely familiar with those issues. My focus has been on her lack of ideological consistency, but would like to hear more of these other concerns. I think that it is important to closely scrutinize anyone who is being touted as the shining star of the conservative movement.


132 posted on 07/12/2011 6:54:27 PM PDT by rob777
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To: tuckrdout
"She has ideas and doesn’t know how to make them work. She spouts slogans, but offers no solutions.."


Part of the problem is that her ideas do not seem to reflect an in depth knowledge of the issues she is addressing.




"I am not even saying Bachmann is that person. I see her also as a person with ideas...she offers solutions, but doesn’t seem to be able to push them through. she also has no military experience or knowledge."


Bacjhmann's ideas seem to reflect a much deeper knowledge of the issues than do Palin's, but I do see your point about the proven ability to implement those ideas. I think that the key is to have strong coattails and come into office with a clear governing mandate. In a democratic political system, the ability to get the public behind your ideas trumps managerial competence when it comes to effectively implementing one's ideas and solutions. The first step is to have a clear vision and campaign on it so as to get public opinion behind your proposed agenda. Winning majorities in the House and Senate would be a big help as well.

The problem with most technocrats is that they come into office based on the promise that they can "make the trains run on time", and do not offer the public a vision to get behind. That is fine as long as the country is already headed in the right direction and is following a sound vision. The problem is that we are way off course and are following a destructive vision. It is going to take a charismatic visionary to change our course and sell the public on a new vision. Once that is done, a technocrat could follow in the visionary's footsteps and consolidate those gains. If the visionary has managerial competence as well, that would be ideal.
133 posted on 07/12/2011 7:13:32 PM PDT by rob777
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To: parksstp
actually - Palin got 'more votes" - She got the bigger percentage -

ARe you being disingenuous, thinking we're stupid, or do you not even understand your hollow argument?

134 posted on 07/16/2011 7:35:16 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: tuckrdout
You say: “Also, it wasn’t the first time she stirred up a hornet’s nest and walked away.
She did the same thing on the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which she only stayed on for 11 months after being appointed.”

If you're interested in truth, read this post
on FR thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2748551/posts

“Sarah Palin saw Republican officials involved in corruption in the oil and gas conservation commission mainly involving Randy Ruedrich.

1.She complained to the ethics chief, he did nothing

2. She went to the Chief of Staff of Mukowski, he did nothing

3. She then sent a letter to the Governor himself and he did nothing

She by law could not publicly discuss what was going on in the commission, but she was warning everybody in the Administration on what was going on and that the news agencies were asking questions

She then resigned in frustration that nothing was being done involving the violations and that the public wasn’t properly being notified of the corruption case

The Daily News and KTUU-Channel 2 sued in February to force open the evidence. On April 6, while those lawsuits were pending, Palin’s lawyer, Wayne Anthony Ross, gave an ultimatum: move to a public resolution of the ethics case in 10 days or Palin would call a press conference “for the purpose of setting forth, publicly, what she knows about this entire matter and why she chose to resign from the Commission.”

State Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat and former prosecutor, had called for an independent investigation from the beginning. When the case was made public, French wasn’t satisfied

French said he came to respect Palin and got to know her as she attempted to bring forward the facts of the case.

“Sarah has been tortured by this for a long time,” French said. “I feel she has never had a chance to let her story out.”

34 posted on Thursday, July 14, 2011 4:28:02 PM by Bigtigermike “

That is, as I say, If you're interested in the truth - which, reading your posts, one could question. Sounds more like you're pushing half truths, hoping others will swallow them.

135 posted on 07/16/2011 7:54:44 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: raybbr
I am shocked that the "Palin Protectorate" has not jumped all over you for that! BTW, thanks for that info. If you have a link to a story about it I'd like to see it. It shows a pattern developing...

the'pattern' you see may be one of half-truths being spewed -over and over - by the poster.

You might want to add this info to the 'story' - cheers

posted by Bigtigermike on another FR thread

"Sarah Palin saw Republican officials involved in corruption in the oil and gas conservation commission mainly involving Randy Ruedrich. 1.She complained to the ethics chief, he did nothing 2. She went to the Chief of Staff of Mukowski, he did nothing 3. She then sent a letter to the Governor himself and he did nothing She by law could not publicly discuss what was going on in the commission, but she was warning everybody in the Administration on what was going on and that the news agencies were asking questions She then resigned in frustration that nothing was being done involving the violations and that the public wasn’t properly being notified of the corruption case The Daily News and KTUU-Channel 2 sued in February to force open the evidence. On April 6, while those lawsuits were pending, Palin’s lawyer, Wayne Anthony Ross, gave an ultimatum: move to a public resolution of the ethics case in 10 days or Palin would call a press conference “for the purpose of setting forth, publicly, what she knows about this entire matter and why she chose to resign from the Commission.” State Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat and former prosecutor, had called for an independent investigation from the beginning. When the case was made public, French wasn’t satisfied French said he came to respect Palin and got to know her as she attempted to bring forward the facts of the case. “Sarah has been tortured by this for a long time,” French said. “I feel she has never had a chance to let her story out.” this was on FR thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2748551/posts

136 posted on 07/16/2011 8:04:05 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: raybbr; Bigtigermike
I am shocked that the "Palin Protectorate" has not jumped all over you for that! BTW, thanks for that info. If you have a link to a story about it I'd like to see it. It shows a pattern developing...

the'pattern' you see may be one of half-truths being spewed -over and over - by the poster.

You might want to add this info to the 'story' - cheers

posted by Bigtigermike on another FR thread

"Sarah Palin saw Republican officials involved in corruption in the oil and gas conservation commission mainly involving Randy Ruedrich. 1.She complained to the ethics chief, he did nothing 2. She went to the Chief of Staff of Mukowski, he did nothing 3. She then sent a letter to the Governor himself and he did nothing She by law could not publicly discuss what was going on in the commission, but she was warning everybody in the Administration on what was going on and that the news agencies were asking questions She then resigned in frustration that nothing was being done involving the violations and that the public wasn’t properly being notified of the corruption case The Daily News and KTUU-Channel 2 sued in February to force open the evidence. On April 6, while those lawsuits were pending, Palin’s lawyer, Wayne Anthony Ross, gave an ultimatum: move to a public resolution of the ethics case in 10 days or Palin would call a press conference “for the purpose of setting forth, publicly, what she knows about this entire matter and why she chose to resign from the Commission.” State Sen. Hollis French, an Anchorage Democrat and former prosecutor, had called for an independent investigation from the beginning. When the case was made public, French wasn’t satisfied French said he came to respect Palin and got to know her as she attempted to bring forward the facts of the case. “Sarah has been tortured by this for a long time,” French said. “I feel she has never had a chance to let her story out.” this was on FR thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-gop/2748551/posts

137 posted on 07/16/2011 8:04:46 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: Gargantua

Amen

and

AMEN


138 posted on 07/16/2011 8:17:33 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: tuckrdout
She [Bachman] has actually worked at being a legislator for 11 years. How long has Sarah been a legislator?

You ARE aware that the presidency is an EXECUTIVE job, don't you? Sarah's experience is executive.

What executive experience does Bachman have?

We have a POTUS now who had no executive experience. Ain't working out too good...

139 posted on 07/16/2011 8:26:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: rob777; tuckrdout; All
anybody else out there as tired as I am of the half truths/DEM talking points being spewed copiously by rob777 and tuckrdout?

Where are the Viking Kitties when you need them?

140 posted on 07/16/2011 8:32:06 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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