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Why Do Gays Smoke So Much
Slate ^ | August 4, 2003 | Steven E. Landsburg

Posted on 08/05/2003 8:33:43 AM PDT by Theophilus

Why Do Gays Smoke So Much?
By Steven E. Landsburg
Posted Monday, August 4, 2003, at 11:27 AM PT

Illustration by Mark Alan Stamaty
I've just learned from NPR's All Things Considered that in California, gay men and lesbians are 70 percent more likely to smoke than the general population. In a sterling example of why I try not to listen to too much NPR, reporter Sarah Varney immediately segued into the perceived need for more anti-smoking ads targeted specifically at gays.

In other words, Varney implicitly assumes that gays are either too stupid to have gotten the message that smoking is bad for you or too irrational to have modified their behavior accordingly. A more inquisitive reporter might instead have raised the obvious question: What good reasons might gays have to smoke more than other people?

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In four minutes of air time, the closest Varney came to addressing that question was to suggest that for gays, stepping outside for a cigarette can be a good way to meet people—as if the desire to meet people somehow differentiates gays from straights. At the same time, she managed to overlook the blindingly obvious: Gays are disproportionately childless, and childless people are more likely to smoke.

As a matter of fact, childless households (whether gay or straight) spend, on average, 56 percent more on cigarettes and alcohol than their childbearing neighbors. (Among households where the parents have some education, the discrepancy is even larger.) Nor is there anything mysterious about why. First, parents have extra reasons to live long and stay healthy, both so they can be there when their kids need them and so they can enjoy the company of their grandchildren. Second, parents have extra expenses—starting with diapers and continuing through college tuition—that leave less disposable income for cigarettes. Third, a lot of parents don't like the idea of smoking in front of their children.

That alone might be enough to explain why perfectly rational gays (along with perfectly rational childless straights) smoke more than their neighbors. But family size is not the only dimension in which gays—particularly those gays who identify themselves as such to pollsters—are different from straights. The openly gay face some social opprobrium. So do smokers. Maybe it's not too surprising, then, that out-of-the-closet gays and out-of-the-closet smokers are disproportionately the same people. (You can imagine the possibilities: "Now that my parents have learned to deal with my gayness, I might as well tell them I smoke.")

More speculatively, one might well imagine that nicotine, which is popular largely as a stress reliever, might be more useful in a life punctuated by discrimination, familial disapproval, and plain old cruelty. Or even that the people who lead such lives might—perfectly rationally—care less than the rest of us about how long their lives will last. I'm not sure how to test those hypotheses, and I'm not sure how plausible they are, but surely they're both more plausible and more respectful than the suggestion that gays need to see specifically gay-oriented advertising before they can understand that smoking is bad for them.

If you doubt that rational responses are relevant to addictive behaviors like smoking, consider this: MIT professor Jonathan Gruber and University of California, Berkeley, professor Botond Koszegi have studied the way smokers respond to cigarette tax increases. Here's what they find: As soon as a tax increase is announced, but before it goes into effect, smokers do two things: They stockpile cigarettes, and they cut back on smoking. The anticipation of higher prices in the future inspires smokers to adjust their habits in the present, both so their stockpiles can grow and so they can accustom themselves to smoking less. In other words, smokers respond exactly as you'd expect rational beings to respond.

Why, then, should gay smokers be the unique exception to the rule that smokers behave rationally? The answer is that there is no answer. Generally speaking, people have good reasons for the things they do, whether or not those reasons are visible to the folks at National Public Radio.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: gay; homosexual; homosexuals; lesbian; npr; pufflist; queer; smoking; tobacco; wodlist
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To: y2k_free_radical
Can't answer that. There was a thread on this subject a few weeks back in this forum. You might run a search on the subject if you are interested in further info.

Regards, Axel

41 posted on 08/05/2003 8:52:51 AM PDT by AxelPaulsenJr (Ozzy Osborne says that pot leads to harder drugs.)
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To: Theophilus; MrLeRoy
Nicotine causes homosexuality.
42 posted on 08/05/2003 8:54:45 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: E Rocc
If they're already involved in a risky behavior, what's one more going to do?

Also, gays tend to be hedonistic. They don't care that smoking is bad.
43 posted on 08/05/2003 8:54:48 AM PDT by exile (Exile)
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To: exile
I just realized that my last post sounds like Mr. Mackey from South Park. MMMkay
44 posted on 08/05/2003 8:55:45 AM PDT by exile (Exile)
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To: E Rocc
I think the comments are funny. Of course, the moderator removed a parody thread of mine from a fat people thread which was no where near as stinging as some of these. We shall see.
45 posted on 08/05/2003 8:56:04 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: Theophilus
They want to suck on something a little bit bigger than they are normally used to.
46 posted on 08/05/2003 8:57:44 AM PDT by whalehater
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To: Theophilus
Let's see.... since there are no long term traditional family commitments, then why preserve one's health? No responsibilities. It's obvious. Furthermore, in the age of AIDS, being gay in and of itself is somewhat suicidal. I would imagine that suicidal behavior would manifest in any number of ways. Any questions?
47 posted on 08/05/2003 8:58:16 AM PDT by GOP_1900AD (Un-PC even to "Conservatives!" - Right makes right)
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To: Theophilus
Because they don't care what they put into their bodies. It's all part of being possessed.
48 posted on 08/05/2003 8:58:51 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: Theophilus
"In other words, Varney implicitly assumes that gays are either too stupid to have gotten the message that smoking is bad for you or too irrational to have modified their behavior accordingly."

This BEGS a rewrite, to wit:

In other words, gays are either too stupid to have gotten the message that unprotected gay sex is bad for you or too irrational to have modified their behavior accordingly.

In light of the revelations that gays continue to have unprotected sex, and in light that they get on the internet and arrange gay sex parties with the knowledge that there are some present who are HIV positive, I think that the word "irrational" is a profound understatement of their group mental health.

49 posted on 08/05/2003 9:01:17 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: presidio9
egads, i hope not
50 posted on 08/05/2003 9:01:27 AM PDT by eyespysomething
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To: Theophilus
The smokey haze helps hide 5 o'clock shaddows.
51 posted on 08/05/2003 9:06:09 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn
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To: Theophilus
Oh, no!! I hope this doesn't cause all the wonderful smokers on this list, especially, those brave folks with the mechanical voice boxes, to think that we believe that they are also faggots! It is bad enough that they foul our air and think we should appreciate it or go somewhere else. I'd hate to think that we think even less of them because of their tinkerbellitude.

However, I used to listen to NPR all the time. Then I noticed an amazing number of stories about how wonderful and normal fairies are. Then, after establishing that they were spreading propaganda and not reporting news, I'd switch stations every time some pro-fairy (they ALL are pro-fairy) story came on. I listen much less to NPR.

Now, I'm not sure this story is factual but, yo, Bruce-the-smoker, I accept your private property arguments as long as you are smoking in the fairy bars. Enjoy smokers, suck and blow all you like, and I'll go to the smoke-free (and, it seems, fairy-free) bars and restaurants. Deal?

52 posted on 08/05/2003 9:09:55 AM PDT by Tacis
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To: y2k_free_radical
this is documentable ? lesbians as well ?

The best I can do is tell you that I have seen the research on this website several times indicating that the average life expectancy for gay men is 42. In addition to the AIDs risk, gay men have the highest suicide rate and the highest rate of alcoholism and drug addiction. Then there's the smoking thing and that the fact that, um, anal promiscuity, um, opens one up to all sorts of non-AIDs health problems. I do not know what the story is with lesbians.

53 posted on 08/05/2003 9:13:09 AM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: Tacis
Blow it out your a$$, Tacis.
Seems like that's where most of your remarks come from anyway.
54 posted on 08/05/2003 9:13:13 AM PDT by Just another Joe (FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: eyespysomething
"Oh, did you know that coffee leads to Red Bull which leads to meth?"

Oh crap
55 posted on 08/05/2003 9:15:16 AM PDT by exile (Exile)
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To: Theophilus
Because they are flaming....
56 posted on 08/05/2003 9:19:06 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot (Socialism is the cancer of humanity.)
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To: presidio9
It is a scientific fact that lesbianism leads to mullets, golf shirts and an affinity for the WNBA.
57 posted on 08/05/2003 9:19:15 AM PDT by exile (Exile)
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To: Tacis
It's always good to see a post from someone whose brain is so twisted fron internalized agitprop, that they reveal their true feelings, hateful and socialistic though they are.

You are a piece of work, you are, Tacis.
58 posted on 08/05/2003 9:20:34 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: mtbopfuyn
The smokey haze helps hide 5 o'clock shaddows

And other unsightly things on your face.

59 posted on 08/05/2003 9:24:45 AM PDT by presidio9 (RUN AL, RUN!!!)
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To: Theophilus
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And sometimes not.
60 posted on 08/05/2003 9:30:38 AM PDT by LexBaird (Tag. You're it!)
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