Court upholds firing of teacher who was NAMBLA member

freedomforum ^ | 7.19.03 | associated press

[freepatriot32]

NEW YORK — A federal appeals court has ruled that New York City was justified in dismissing a high school teacher who was found to be a member of the North American Man/Boy Love Association.

The former teacher, Peter Melzer, had the constitutional freedom-of-association right to be a member of the organization, but his membership caused sufficient disruption to the school to warrant the firing, the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals found.

Melzer, who had been a science teacher at the Bronx High School of Science for more than 25 years, was dismissed in 2000 by the Board of Education. He claimed his firing was an abridgment of his First Amendment rights.

His membership in NAMBLA, which advocates sexual relations between men and adolescents, was first reported by television station WNBC in 1993. Parents threatened to withdraw their children from the school, according to The New York Times, after the WNBC report.

Melzer's lawyer, Eugene Nathanson, said the decision, made public yesterday, represented a threat to the rights of government employees.

Related

ACLU asks federal judge to dismiss case against man-boy sex group Lawyers defending North American Man/Boy Love Association say its publications, Web site are protected speech. 07.18.01

[Dimensio]

Good, so does this mean we can finally start weeding out Communists too, or are they still a protected species?

While communism in every form that it has been implemented has been an unquestionable failure (and it's utterly impossible to implement it in an "ideal" setup outside of Fantasyland), it is currently not illegal to advocate such an intellectually bankrupt economic system, though such advocacy could be considered when determining qualifications for an economics or political science professor (unfortunately many universities seem to see it as a positive quality rather than a negative one)

[inquest]

Though they have a constitutional right to advocate any particular change of policy, I'm very skeptical about the claim that they have a constitutional right to be free from discrimination in hiring to government positions. Even though the courts seem to disagree with me when it comes to Communists, I find it curious (and encouraging) that in the case before us they appear to be reversing course.

[Quick1]

Probably because they do not conduct illegal activities, they simply advocate the legalization of it. Much like there can be organizations that advocate the legalization of pot, or organizations that advocate the legalization of assault rifle ownership.

[cinFLA]

There is a difference between advocating the legalization of something and advocating the breaking of the law.

[Coleus]

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[Quick1]

Where do they advocate breaking the law? I don't follow them very closely, so I don't really know.

[EdReform]

From an actual NAMBLA brochure posted on the "Leave The Kids Alone" website:

[scripter]

Ping to my usual group plus a couple of others for clarification.

Not that I'm even remotely close to a fan, but I believe that the "sex by eight or its too late" motto is a misattribution. It might have been a real motto, but I don't believe that it was NAMBLA's.

I believe it was the motto of the Rene Guyon Society. The phrase has been attributed to NAMBLA many times, by myself as well. I read that NAMBLA provided flyers from the Rene Guyon Society which is possibly why everyone attributes the motto to NAMBLA. From what I remember the Rene Guyon Society was in California and NAMBLA more popular on the east coast, but both were closely tied in their mission.

I don't know if we'll ever know the whole truth of the matter.

[Dimensio]

Heh. I've also heard that the Rene Guyon Society was actually a front group run by federal agents. Then again, I've heard the same of NAMBLA, plus a claim that more than 50% of NAMBLA's membership is undercover federal agents.

Hard to seperate the fact from the fiction when no one really wants to know much about them.

[scripter]

Some things are easier to research than others.

EdReform, this is for your archives.

Warning, the following text may make your blood boil. From an old email:

For example, The Rene Guyon Society's proposed revisions to the California Penal Code included the conclusions reached in Figure 137-1.

FIGURE 137-1 CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE REVISIONS SOUGHT BY THE RENE GUYON SOCIETY HOMOSEXUALITY (Anal Copulation, PC 286).

We Suggest: At age 4, and sometimes sooner, both male and female children can easily hold after massage, and will be allowed to have a teenager of older male's condom-covered penis in their anus. Tiny children will be required to wear a small "finger stall" or "finger cot" (obtainable from a drug store) condom from age 4 or any earlier age that they start penetrating male and female anuses. 99% of the day there is no fecal matter in the anus. No enema is required.

Reasons: Makes child aware of anal venereal disease and its prevention. [Anal copulation is] part of the natural progress of development to heterosexuality.

ORAL COPULATION (PC 288a)

We Suggest: At age 4, and sometimes sooner, both male and female children , can easily hold, and will be allowed to have a tiny child, teenager, or older male's penis in their mouth. This will bring an end to thumbsucking. The child will at last get valuable hormones that appear in the mature male's ejaculate that have been denied children in the past. Very young, teenage and adult females will be allowed to provide sexual satisfaction with their mouths and tongues to the penis and clitoris of young children.

Reasons: Trains for heterosexuality. No data exists showing that any harm is done. [Oral copulation is] part of the natural progress of development to heterosexuality.

HETEROSEXUALITY (Penis-Vagina Copulation (PC 261.1)).

We Suggest: At age 10, 11, or 12, females can easily hold, and will be allowed to have a teenager or older male's condom-covered penis in their vagina. From the earliest age of desire, a very young female will be allowed to have a tiny male's penis in her vagina if the penis is covered with a "finger stall" or "finger cot" (obtainable from a drug store). At all ages prior to age 18 for the female, the female is required to have vaginal foam inserted before penetration of the covered penis.

Reasons: Prevents venereal disease and pregnancy. Older person passes on tender, loving mannerisms. Lack of premarital sex leads to divorce, crime, and suicide.

[First Amendment]

The former teacher, Peter Melzer, had the constitutional freedom-of-association right to be a member of the organization, but his membership caused sufficient disruption to the school to warrant the firing, the 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals found.

Constitutional freedom of association should not extend to organizations that promote and instruct how to molest, rape and kidnap children. Or anyone.

His membership in NAMBLA, which advocates sexual relations between men and adolescents, was first reported by television station WNBC in 1993.

So it's taken them 10 years to fire this demon! And NAMBLA doesn't just advocate - it instructs, and give all kinds of help to demons that want to rape not only adolescents but young children - BOYS. Notice they don't mention that it is HOMOSEXUALS after boys, not men after girls.

Two words come to mind (I mentioned this yesterday but it is really on my mind) - one begins with "v" and ends with "e" (3 syllables), the second begins with "j" and ends with "e" (2 syllables).

[First Amendment]

That's a bit extreme, if the teacher hadn't committed any crimes yet,

Do you have children?? This is extreme?? Have you read about the a**holes who killed a boy in Massachusetts, and raped him, and one of the pair was a member of NAMBLA? What about the pair of subhumans who lured a 13 yr old to their house and raped him, and admit to 2 dozen other such crimes? Both of these are described on FR as of yesterday.

And you say firing a subhuman pervert for being a member of NAMBLA extreme? I find your tolerance of evil extreme.

[First Amendment]

Not that I'm even remotely close to a fan, but I believe that the "sex by eight or its too late" motto is a misattribution. It might have been a real motto, but I don't believe that it was NAMBLA's.

I believe it is the motto of SEICUS or some such acronym. It is a sex "research and educational" institution that is very influential and because my brain is over 50 and it is hot and many other reasons my dang memory doesn't work! So I can't remember the whole name or much else about it. But it is very evil. If anyone knows more about this organization put it up here. They definitely advocate sex with children.

[xrp]

Did you bother reading my whole post and the post to which I was replying? Hint: It wasn't post #1.

Re-read both, in their entirety, then re-think your premature response.

[xrp]

I agree about a firing squad being too extreme, beating to death with a 2x4 in public, and charging the family for the cost ot the lumber is much more appropriate...

I am so happy to see that you advocate executing people for thought crimes. Do you support hate crime legislation also? If I think about speeding, should I be issued a speeding ticket?

[First Amendment]

I read everything the first time, and just to make sure, I read it all again. I don't believe my response was unjustified. I don't see any reason why NAMBLA should be tolerated as an organization, or why anyone who becomes a member should be tolerated or given any "freedom of association" protection. Have you read the recent articles and threads about NAMBLA, or the molesting and/or murder of boys? NAMBLA gives advice and helpful hints about where to find boys, good lines to take, how to lure them, how to escape justice, etc. This is evil. The intent of the Constitution and the protections it affords were never meant to protect evil such as this.

[xrp]

My "that's extreme" comment was in response to #2's poster saying that simple membership should be punishable by death. Do you support summary execution of American citizens for not having committed crimes?

[First Amendment]

I (perhaps wrongly) took that poster's comment as hyperbole. I don't think NAMBLA members should be executed. NAMBLA should not be permitted to exist. The organization promotes and gives instruction, advice and support for evil that is also illegal. So NAMBLA should not exist, and if it went totally underground, if members were discovered, they should be punished. Not by death; in a perfect world, by public beatings. In an imperfect world, jail time.

[xrp]

NAMBLA should not be permitted to exist. The organization promotes and gives instruction, advice and support for evil that is also illegal.

This, I agree with, wholeheartedly.

Funny thing is...usually just throwing NAMBLA sickos in prison will get the job done. Doesn't the prison crowd treat child abusers pretty badly? I've heard they do.

[First Amendment]

I have heard that child molesters and rapists are the lowest of the low in prison heirarchy. That said, I have a lot of ideas about the justice and punishment/rehabilitation system. Prisons aren't really a very practical method to deal with crime. If all the perpetrators of all capital crimes (by that I mean murder, and I include forciple rape especially if serial, and/or accompanied by other harm), child molesting, kidnapping, and arson (list is not all inclusive) were actually executed (preferably publicly) in a TIMELY manner - this would have a huge, beneficial effect on the public weal. Other crimes could be punished by public shaming and beatings. Cheaper than prison and way more effective.