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Delaware ready to show smokers to the door
The News Journal ^ | 17 November 2002 | BETH MILLER AND PATRICIA TALORICO

Posted on 11/17/2002 6:02:53 PM PST by SheLion

Edited on 05/07/2004 6:01:21 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

When the clock strikes midnight and Nov. 26 is history, the nation's toughest smoking law goes into effect in Delaware.

That means an hour before last call, smokers at such places as Wilmington's Columbus Inn, a cigar-friendly bar and restaurant for almost 50 years, will have to snuff out their stogies or step outside. It means the ashtrays in the office smoking lounge will become obsolete. And it means "Smoking, nonsmoking or first available?" will no longer be a dilemma for Delaware diners.


(Excerpt) Read more at delawareonline.com ...


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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We will just take our money to Atlantic City!


1 posted on 11/17/2002 6:02:53 PM PST by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; maxwell; ...
The State of Delaware: Closed. No Business.......


2 posted on 11/17/2002 6:04:27 PM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
The strength of the law reflects Delaware's intention to fight its staggering cancer rates, including the nation's third highest death rate for tobacco-related cancers. More than 3,100 Delawareans died of lung cancer between 1995-99, health officials say.

Um, Wait a minute here.

Deleware is home to DuPont, and a host of other such companies. There is a huge chemical industry presence there.

But tobacco alone has caused a cancer cluster, huh?

Yeah, OK. More Science By Fiat.

3 posted on 11/17/2002 6:14:09 PM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Gorzaloon
But tobacco alone has caused a cancer cluster, huh?

Hmmmm good point!!!! VERY good point!!!

It really is sad how a certain few that sit in power over a state can bring it to it's knees.......and what about NASCAR at Dover next season? I wonder how the no smoking will go over? I wish NASCAR would pull out!


4 posted on 11/17/2002 6:18:13 PM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
For example, children will be protected from smoke in day-care facilities, even those operated in private homes, and...

This little gem buried in the article caught my eye.

5 posted on 11/17/2002 6:18:47 PM PST by Conservababe
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To: Conservababe
This little gem buried in the article caught my eye.

Well, no one smokes IN a Day Care Center. But the ones run by Mom's in their own privately owned homes will now be forbidden to smoke.

6 posted on 11/17/2002 6:25:59 PM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
It's real obvious what certain people in state government in Delawaare think about their own constituents.
7 posted on 11/17/2002 7:05:52 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gorzaloon
But tobacco alone has caused a cancer cluster, huh?

Exactly.

What is failed to be commented upon is that cancer (most types) is a malady of aging and there has been a huge influx of retirees to the state.

Another item failed to be mentioned when it comes to cancer deaths is that Delaware has several of the more prominent cancer hospitals in the area. When someone with lung cancer dies in one of those hospitals, even if they are a PA, NJ, MD or where ever resident - it gets put to the Delaware cancer death statistics.

Then of coure we have the garbage air OUTSIDE that everyone in Delaware has lived with for so many years.

But, they're right - it's only the smoking that keeps the cancer rates so high in Delaware (/sarcasm)

8 posted on 11/17/2002 7:18:02 PM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion
I understand your point.

I live a bit over a mile south of Dover Downs and because of the time of year they race (early June & mid-late Sept) I generally have my doors and windows open. If the wind is right (wrong in my opinion) not only can I hear everything from the track I can smell it all.

I also live within more than one flight pattern of the air force base (jet engines-sound of freedom).

Please let someone explain to me how being in a bar or restaurant with some tobacco smokers is more detrimental to anyone's health than that???

I won't even go into the chemical plants and refineries, as someone else has already taken care of that.

I hope NASCAR pulls out and I look forward to Maryland and Pennsylvania putting slots in their horse race tracks.

David McBride and Ruth Ann Minner will wish they had never heard of Stanton Glantz or Joe Cherner. A fat Californian and a gay New Yorker will be the downfall of the state of Delaware.

9 posted on 11/17/2002 7:29:56 PM PST by Gabz
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To: SheLion
If smoking is Soooo bad ..why not ban the sale of tobacco? Simple the government wants the tax money and will take your freedom of choice to get it.
10 posted on 11/17/2002 7:30:40 PM PST by The Great RJ
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SheLion,

How do the rocket scientists in the Delaware state government differentiate between a "home-based day care center" and a "babysitter?"

Just asking...

Regards,
11 posted on 11/17/2002 7:35:39 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: SheLion
The "Liberal" Taliban!
12 posted on 11/17/2002 7:40:07 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Conservababe
This little gem buried in the article caught my eye.

It's much more insidious than you think.

Current law forbids smoking around children in day-care centers including those in private homes. Understandable, acceptable situation.

What this does is brings it to the point that other household members are not permited to smoke in their own rooms behind a closed door during the hours of the day-care operation.

My daughter goes to a home-school pre-school program in a private home - which according to the state is a home day-care center.

My daughter is the last one picked up on Friday afternoon and there have been many a Friday where we have all sat around the table (teacher, her husband me and my husband) and chatted and smoked a cigarette. Because it was before 5pm and there was still a child there, had a state inspector shown up she could have been cited. And that's under the current law.

With the new one, if her husband gets home from work and goes back to the bedroom and closes the door, a state inspector is permitted to open that door prior to 5pm and if he is smoking, he will be cited. It's out of control.

13 posted on 11/17/2002 7:44:02 PM PST by Gabz
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To: VermiciousKnid
That one I can answer.

A babysitter is just that.

A "home-based day care center" is a licensed business and is subject to VERY strict rules of operation.

14 posted on 11/17/2002 7:46:42 PM PST by Gabz
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To: Gabz
I see. So can you tell me what in the world would stop a currently "licensed home-based day care center" from giving up its license and becoming simply a "babysitter" again? (I know that's what I would do...)

Regards,
15 posted on 11/17/2002 7:53:06 PM PST by VermiciousKnid
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To: Gorzaloon
Yeah, OK. More Science By Fiat.

Fiat is out of business.

16 posted on 11/17/2002 7:54:05 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Gabz
"But tobacco alone has caused a cancer cluster, huh? "

huh? when I go into Delaware from NJ, and the Delaware Memorial Bridge, I have to come off the NJ Turnpike. To get there, I get on at exit 16, and pass EWR (Newark Liberty Int. Airport), pass the Linden refineries, and at the bottom end of the turnpike, pass the Oil refineries lining the Delaware river as the river flows into the bay.

This is a joke. Smoking causes cancer? What about those damn airports and oil refineries?

Isn't Delaware the home of Dupont? (Better living through Chemistry?).
Keep electing the liberal Democrats. You who live there are getting what you asked for.

Take it from me, I live in NJ.

Bill From Nutley
17 posted on 11/17/2002 8:15:35 PM PST by njmaugbill
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To: VermiciousKnid
BTTT
18 posted on 11/17/2002 8:40:44 PM PST by Max McGarrity
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To: SheLion
The state's tobacco-related cancer rate was about 26 percent higher than the national rate. And the state's rate of smoking was higher than 22 other states.

Just the fact that two different meaures were used to compare the information - "rate of smoking" and "higher than 22 other states" - leads me to believe they cherry-picked the data to make the case to support a foregone conculsion.

19 posted on 11/17/2002 8:59:47 PM PST by CPOSharky
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To: The Great RJ
If smoking is Soooo bad ..why not ban the sale of tobacco? Simple the government wants the tax money and will take your freedom of choice to get it.

Exactly! If tobacco is so bad, why didn't they ban the darn stuff years ago? No way! It has created a cash cow and the lawmakers can't live without our tax dollars. However, why don't the lawmakers give the smokers a "rebate" on all the taxes since we can't SMOKE anywhere?!


20 posted on 11/18/2002 1:10:48 AM PST by SheLion
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