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State sues over online cigarettes
The Seattle Times ^ | 1 November 2002 | Paul Queary

Posted on 11/02/2002 10:59:44 PM PST by SheLion

OLYMPIA — Attorney General Christine Gregoire is trying to force an Internet cigarette dealer to cough up its list of Washington customers so the state can levy its steep tobacco tax on them.

The state Department of Revenue estimates that perhaps 40 percent of the cigarettes smoked in Washington are contraband — smuggled in from out-of-state, bought at tax-exempt Indian smoke shops on reservations or purchased by mail or through the Internet. ( CONTRABAND????)

"We estimate that contraband cigarettes maybe account for $250 million of lost revenue," (ahhhhhhh) Gregoire said. "It's lost taxes to the state of Washington, that goes without saying. It's also not fair to the brick-and-mortar store in Washington that's abiding by the law."

The lawsuit filed yesterday in Thurston County Superior Court seeks an injunction against dirtcheapcig.com, which sells cigarettes online from Kentucky, forcing the company to disclose its customers within Washington.

That would allow the state to track down the buyers and collect both the cigarette tax of $1.425 per pack and the 6.5 percent use tax — the tax the state levies on out-of-state purchases by Washington residents in lieu of the sales tax. (Good Luck)

The company bills itself as "The last refuge of the persecuted smoker."

A 10-pack carton of Marlboros sells for less than $30 on the site, compared with as much as $50 in Washington.

The lawsuit seeks to invoke the Jenkins Act, a decades-old federal law that requires dealers who ship cigarettes to customers in another state to provide that state's authorities with a list of customers every month. The law was designed to prevent large-scale tax evasion, and the state argues that it applies to Internet sales.

But Matthew Fairshter, the company's lawyer, argues that the law was designed to regulate the shipment of untaxed cigarettes from one state into another. The smokes sold by dirtcheapcigs.com are all duly taxed in Kentucky, he argues.

"They're not buying untaxed cigarettes, which is what the Jenkins Act is all about," Fairshter said. "The Jenkins Act does not regulate this issue."

Fairshter also argued that the state's lawsuit violates the Internet Tax Freedom Act, which protects online sales from taxation except where the transaction actually takes place.

"This company operates out of Paducah, Kentucky," Fairshter said. "It does no business in the state of Washington."

Mike Gowrylow, a spokesman for the Department of Revenue, said the Internet Tax Freedom Act was designed to prevent new and discriminatory taxes on Internet sales, not pre-empt existing laws such as the Jenkins Act and the use tax.

"This is neither new nor discriminatory," Gowrylow said.

In general, Internet and mail-order retailers can't be compelled to collect Washington taxes or provide customer lists unless they're physically located here.

That puts the burden of paying any taxes on the consumer, who typically doesn't show much interest in paying.

Enforcing the use tax is virtually impossible except on large items such as boats or cars that must be registered with the state.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Culture/Society; Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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They raise cigarette taxes to high heaven to “balance their budgets” and think we are all sheeple out here and continue to pay it! WRONG!

Now they are pissed that they aren’t realizing the huge wind fall!

Well, if they are going to target cigarettes over the net, they better start with EBAY first!!! Lots of items being sold over the Net………….not just cigarettes!


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Smokers United

1 posted on 11/02/2002 10:59:44 PM PST by SheLion
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To: *puff_list; Just another Joe; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; maxwell; ...
Online cigarette sales light up

"Why in the world would I pay so much state tax when I can get them somewhere else?" he said.

2 posted on 11/02/2002 11:02:07 PM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
OMG! Does this prove they don't really give a flying filter about our health, or stopping kids from smoking or what? It is as we all knew, about the almighty dollar! Since when are cigarettes against the law?
Maybe they should be more careful about who they let into the country, and what is put on airplanes and leave those who are buying a legal product the heck alone!
This is disgusting and a violation of civil rights!
3 posted on 11/02/2002 11:05:36 PM PST by ladyinred
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To: SheLion
Most retail sales items sold over the internet are taxed if the business and the customer both reside in the state. I don't know if cigarettes are a special case, since they are so highly regulated.
4 posted on 11/02/2002 11:05:41 PM PST by Jeff Chandler
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To: SheLion
Good Morning :)
5 posted on 11/02/2002 11:07:14 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: ladyinred
This is disgusting and a violation of civil rights!

Oh yes! It's all about the MONEY!!!!!!!!!!! They could care LESS about us! They are pissed because they aren't getting that windfall of taxes. Your right! This is an OUTRAGE!

6 posted on 11/02/2002 11:09:35 PM PST by SheLion
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To: chance33_98
Good Morning :)

And good morning to YOU, big guy! Here we are aGAIN!!!!

7 posted on 11/02/2002 11:11:53 PM PST by SheLion
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To: Jeff Chandler
Most retail sales items sold over the internet are taxed if the business and the customer both reside in the state

Only IF the seller turns in his customer list. To which, most do not.

8 posted on 11/02/2002 11:13:58 PM PST by SheLion
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To: SheLion
After reading this I am ordering some smokes online. I only live 60 miles from the Kentucky border so I do at times run down there for mine now. In Ohio cartons are about $30-31 right now.
9 posted on 11/02/2002 11:15:22 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: SheLion
This is hilarious. What if all this "lost revenue" is ephemeral--what if all those revenue reductions are from people who have stopped smoking due to the terribly punitive and completely unfair taxes? Then what will she do? Try to get people to smoke again? How? Lowering taxes?
10 posted on 11/02/2002 11:22:58 PM PST by Judith Anne
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To: SheLion
After all, the losses are just guesstimates by the AG....
11 posted on 11/02/2002 11:23:59 PM PST by Judith Anne
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the aspect of this that i luv best are the whining businesses which sell products which they know will kill most of the people that they sell to...Fxxk em and the states who want to be paid to help in the slaughter!
12 posted on 11/02/2002 11:45:23 PM PST by gPal
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To: SheLion
When I was a college kid in 1968 I was working and couldn't afford smokes at 89 cents a pack. I rolled my own. I just bought a rolling machine, papers and tobacco. It appears that folks will use inititives in circumventing socialists in taxing smokers. And the revenues will continue to fall. I saw this in Montreal, Canada about 11 years ago. They taxed the snot out of the cigarette industry. A few weeks later, thousands of truckloads of cigs came from the USA and the underground black market was steaming. Canadian Revenues tanked. It is amazing how too few people understand simple ECONOMICS!
13 posted on 11/03/2002 12:03:43 AM PST by Cobra64
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Marlboros been bouncing around $22 locally in Ga. recently. May be less up near Ringgold?
14 posted on 11/03/2002 12:09:25 AM PST by Waco
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I hope these commie bastards die of cancer before I do...lemme ship em some untaxed second hand smoke to gag on...

Keep up the good fight, SheLion!
15 posted on 11/03/2002 12:16:39 AM PST by Lizard_King
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I hope these commie bastards die of cancer before I do...lemme ship em some untaxed second hand smoke to gag on...

Lizard King, you know as well as I do that they would have to go after the WHOLE INTERNET if they go after tobacco! They can't just go after tobacco and not Ebay and all the online auctions! You KNOW no one collects taxes on online AUCTIONS! They are just blowing smoke!

They are trying to put the fear of God into Internet sellers of Cigarettes! They can pound sand! heh!

16 posted on 11/03/2002 1:44:25 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Cobra64
When I was a college kid in 1968 I was working and couldn't afford smokes at 89 cents a pack

In early 62, on the USNS Gordon Troop Ship, you could buy a carton of Luckies for about $1 once you got outside the three-mile limit off the east coast. I was in NYC on Friday and a carton of Marlboros were going for $77 in the corner markets. Thankfully, I haven't had a smoke in 5 1/2 years. I respect the rights of those who can't kick the habit, however.

17 posted on 11/03/2002 1:57:14 AM PST by leadpenny
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To: Cobra64

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Smokers United

For under $8.00.........a beautiful carton of cigarettes!!!!!!!!!

18 posted on 11/03/2002 1:58:42 AM PST by SheLion
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To: Waco
Marlboros been bouncing around $22 locally in Ga.recently

Lucky you! In Maine they are $44.00!!!!!! STATE TAXES YOU KNOW.

19 posted on 11/03/2002 2:00:46 AM PST by SheLion
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To: leadpenny
I might be giving my age away, but I started smoking at 16, and a pack of "premiums" cost 35 cents.! Oh my God! Can you believe it?


20 posted on 11/03/2002 2:04:49 AM PST by SheLion
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