Pregnant woman shot over cigarette (The Hate has GOT to STOP)

The Times-Picayune ^ | 5 October 2002 | Michael Perlstein

[Tired of Taxes]

Oh boy! Where are you coming from! I said "children are taught in SCHOOLS to hate SMOKERS!" What does that have to do with hate crimes.

You're the one who used the term "hate crime" when you said (quote):

I see this as a hate crime against Shane because of cigarettes.

Did you forget what you typed?

[Tired of Taxes]

Perhaps you should rephrase that to "every violent crime is a hate crime". Vice transactions (gambling, prostitution, drugs, etc.) among willing participants do not involve hate.

Thanks for the correction, and I agree 100%.

[waterstraat]

And to think this idiot could have killed an unborn child......well, he deserves the death penalty, IMHO!!!

It is not illegal to kill an unborn child, an unborn child is just a mass of tissue under current law, and certainly is not murder. Women kill a million of them each year since Roe vs. Wade and get off scott free.

[Gabz]

I also smoked during pregnancy. When my son was born his apgar score was a 9/10 out of a possible 10/10.

Same with me and my daughter.

But because she weighed under 6 pounds (5 14) I've had antis claim that her "low birth weight" was due to my smoking. Considering I only weighed about 115 when I got pregnant and weighed less than 6 pounds when I was born - I tend to laugh them all off.

At 4 she is tall and slender (just like me) and people who don't know her consider her to be petite - until she decides to take off - this kid is so strong that even her daddy has trouble at times controlling her!!!!

It's such a shame all the damage I have done to her because I smoked while pregnant and smoke in her presence.

And speaking of damage, one of the anti-s biggest things is about learning disabilities - she's half way through kindergarten and is not eligible to be enrolled in kindergarten until September 2003!!!!!!!!! I guess if I didn't smoke she would be ready for Harvard already.

[waterstraat]

Lets get back to the basics.

This would not have happened if it was still illegal for women to smoke cigarettes.

Prior to the 1920's when every state in America prohibited women from smoking, not one woman was ever shot for smoking. No babies were ever harmed, and no man was running from the police. Allowing women to smoke has caused a myriad of problems, both healthwise, and otherwise.

[Freebird Forever]

They have successfully demonized smokers to the point that this may be the result. I should think this would classify as a "hate crime" but don't hold your breath!

Smoking itself may someday be a hate crime.

[Allegra]

Why should I move?

Ummm...because your wants and desires aren't the single driving rule in society? Because the world does not belong to you and sway solely to your whims? Buh-bye now!

[cinFLA]

Instead of the church handing down edicts, it is the liberal elite pushing their agendas down our throats.

How can "The Church" hand down edicts when they are too busy hiding pedophiles.

[AnnaZ]

Your graphic made me laugh out loud!!

[Madame Dufarge]

I urge you not to use a "straw man" argument, where your response to an argument is not to address the real issue

And the real issue would be....?

See, I thought the issue involved a person who, obviously triggered by hysterical anti-smoking propaganda, shot a woman.

It's not your business or anyone else's whether this woman smokes while pregnant, although you're trying to steer the discussion in that direction.

Personally, I don't care if your wife goes bungee jumping while she's pregnant; it's her choice.

[AnnaZ]

To: tomkat

figured you would be a white guy

67 posted on 10/6/02 9:59 AM Pacific by Pinche Naco
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Help?

[Gabz]

You are trying to say that this nutball is anti-smoking, therefore the "anti-smoking forces" are nuts.

I am not trying to be rude, but you have aparently not spent time dealing with some in the anti-smoking" groups.

Many of these people are certifiably "nuts." There are well known ones that are paid too make comments along the line of looking forward to smoking parents will be jailed and their children removed and placed in state care (had that said to me just recently), others are looking forward to the day they can plow under tobacco farmers crops while the farmer and family are watching, that tobacco company executives should be shot repeatedly with small caliber weapons in the region below their belts in order to suffer a slow painful death. But the best I believe was the one that said a woman who chooses to smoke while pregnant should have an abortion because the child would be better off never being born than being born to such a person.

Non-smokers, I have no problems with and will abide any request of not smoking in their proximity that is reasonable. Anti-smokers are an entirely different breed of character.

[Askel5]

From there, she was rushed to University Hospital to determine the health of the fetus.

That's roughly a block or two, btw.

[AnnaZ]

Was the anger the man displayed towards the women uunjustified when you take into consideration the fact the smoking while pregnant contributes to birth defects, low birth rate, down syndrome, etc...

 

Actually, smoking only is proven to affect birth weight (which, if you're a pregnant woman with a low pain threshold... ;^) The effect on birth weight is also negligible post-partum.

[Gabz]

....and I could have my fresh air.

And where do you live that you actually think that you are breathing "fresh" air?

You're another one that forgot the /sarcasm tag on your post, aren't you?

I can't honestly believe that anyone as a member of Free Republic would condone either the attempted/accidental shooting of this pregnant woman nor the beating deat of the 13 year old over the idea of smoking cigarettes.

[Polybius]

That prompted the man -- known to the woman only as a strange character from the neighborhood.....

It sounds less of a case of hate than a case of a crazy person running around loose.

[mhking]

And again, probably a crazed lunatic, but chances are high that the shooter is an NRA member.

And your reason for linking the two are...???

[breakem]

"Isn't this a nightmare? My God, I smoked before, during and AFTER my pregnancy! My daughter is a grown woman now, and healthy as can be. What is WRONG with this world!"

Wondering what's wrong with YOU.

[AnnaZ]

And the envir-nazis do not like to breathe your car exhaust. Don't start crying when they succeed in making it almost impossible for you to own a car.

 

BA-DA-BING!

[Gabz]

Thank you for the compliment :-)

Maybe my addiction is Political! Ha.

My husband states his smoking is his political statement. If they weren't busting on smokers all the time he probably would have quit years ago.

neither of us consider it an addiction - but please don't take my beer away from me (LOL)

Yes, I see where the one cousin has definitely lost in your lottery on life!! good for you!