A Reply to Chris Bacon: A Liberal’s Desperate Campaign to Smear Freepers

10-04-2002 | Republican_strategist

[Republican_Strategist]

To view his slanderous article, go to this link.

Send mail to dickcheney4@hotmail.com

This individual who prompted my reply, Chris P. Bacon, is part of a liberals that run an anti-Freeper web site that basically slanders the Free Republic and despises the idea that conservatives actually have a forum with which to advocate their positions. To view the sleazy equivalent of Mein Kampf, go here.

[Physicist]

Why is "Chris P. Bacon" on anybody's radar screen but his own, let far alone ours? He deserves no more response than the bum muttering to himself on the steam grate.

[marron]

The Right-Left model of politics does not apply to classic liberals, who in the US context consist of conservatives and libertarians.

With NAZIs and Fascists on the Right, and Communists on the Left, classic liberals simply are not part of that continuum. The association of conservatives with the totalitarian right is no more accurate that to associate them with the totalitarian left. US conservatives and libertarians are not totalitarians. We do not fall within that model.

References to conservatives as being "rightist" are simply intended to place an erroneous picture in the mind of the unthinking and unwary. US conservatives are not "right wing". They are not part of the totalitarian continuum.

US liberals, better described as socialists, on the other hand, do fit within that model. Whether they are closer to left or the right depends on the day and the issue, but to the extent that they employ collectivist solutions to social problems, and problems of governance, they clearly are part of the totalitarian model.

[Republican_Strategist]

I care because he is part of a group that is dedicated to smearing the Free Republic and he comes in here along with his cohorts to actively disrupt the forum. Additionally, I just thought I’d respond to this detractor and point out what he is doing as a general guide to others.

[Grut]

US conservatives are not "right wing". They are not part of the totalitarian continuum.

Well, I agree, but there are those who call themselves 'conservative' who really get off on the idea of government beating up on people they dislike but are too cowardly to beat up on themselves; or who want the government to implement a 'Christian' society, or to forcefully bring back a 'Norman Rockwell' America that never existed in the first place.

These folks, with their authoritarian visions of government force as good, incline to totalitarianism. The conservative movement harms itself by tolerating their misuse of our word.

[an amused spectator]

If you want to whomp him over the head with the American socialist=fascist facts, use this:

"Fascism: A political system in which individual rights may be recognized de jure (though they often are not), but are subjugated to claims of national need or will de facto. In such a system, titular ownership of property may remain in the hands of individuals, while de facto control over property is the exclusive domain of the state. Fascism is generally characterized by extreme authoritarian centralized rule."

Just look at the tobacco companies and Microsoft. Rather than outlaw a harmful product (tobacco), the fascist/socialist state governments basically nationalized the tobacco industry. They can keep running their business, but they have to share major portions of their profits with the government (defacto control has passed to the state).

A similar situation exists with Microsoft. Microsoft did not pay extortionist tribute to the Washington fascist/socialists, so the politicos used "the law" to attack the assets of Microsoft. Once again, the fascist/socialist state governments are in the process of attaching the property of Microsoft. Microsoft can continue to run its own business, but the till will be located in the various state attorneys-general offices. Fascism, pure and simple.

[Republican_Strategist]

ANTI-TOBACCO = NAZISM: Do you still think we are crazy? - Robert N. Proctor, in his new book "The Nazi War on Cancer" published by Princeton University Press turns a scholarly eye toward the question of science and public health in a fascist context. At a moment in history where we have entered a phase of health hysteria, it is timely for scholars to be doing this sort of examination.

The Original British Medical Journal's Study On Nazi Germany's Anti-Tobacco Campaign - Many Nazi leaders were vocal opponents of smoking. Many North American leaders are vocal opponents of smoking. Hitler was the most adamant against smoking, and so is Bill Clinton. The astonishing similarity of Nazi Germany's anti-tobacco campaign with the US/Canadian one should make us think very hard on where we are going. For lack of moral and political values and scarcity of uncorrupted science, nations tend to perceive social health as physical health.

The same lies. The same rethorics. The same reasons. The same rationale. The same extorsions. Are we becoming the same?

Smoking And Health Promotion In Nazi Germany - At FORCES, we have been accused many times to be out of place when comparing the antismoking propaganda with fascism and nazism. Many people believe that we are exaggerating, and one cannot compare smoking restrictions to the Nazi environment. Perhaps these people should check their history.

[Republican_Strategist]

I think you are a bit out of line and seemed to be exaggerating the wish to see the unconstitutional assaults on school prayer, the ten commandments, and recently the pledge to make it into some sort of advocacy of the government to christianize everyone. Seeing how you were to vague, it is too difficult to discern from your comment what was meant by your comment.

[Nephi]

You appear more than capable of responding to this propagandist, but you would be more effective if you would proof read your piece before submitting it.

[Grut]

You might want to take an 'English as a Second Language' course to improve your writing style.

[headsonpikes]

Thanks for the great links!

[Straight Vermonter]

For one of the best essays you will ever read, one which addresses the relationship between Liberalism and Fascism, mash here.

[whattajoke]

Sorry to point this out, but I can't pass it up. you mention that only an atheistic bigot would have a problem with the 10 commandments becoming anything more than they already are. well:
Thou shalt have no other gods before me (purely christian)
Thou shalt not worship any graven image (purely christian)
Thou shalt not take God's name in vain (purely christian)
Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy (purely christian)
Honor thy father and thy mother (ok, but how is this "law" enforced again?)
Thou shalt not kill (we've already got that one on the books.)
Thou shalt not commit adultery(ditto)
Thou shalt not steal(ditto)
Thou shalt not bear false witness (ditto)
Thou shalt not covet (ok, but again, not exactly enforcable).

the only reason I point this out is to show that it doesnt take a liberal jerkoff to find fault with the 10 commandment being posted in federal buildings (although they already are)

[ffrancone]

LOL. They got four threads and 16 posts TOTAL. That's 30 seconds of activity on Free Republic, maybe. See ya, losers.

[ffrancone]

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[Rebelbase]

Here is your chance to go after some real vermin and stop destroying FR.

[TLBSHOW]

Stop being a weeper defender!

Anyways rebel, I go after these people all the time already, my main target is their reporter. William Rivers Pitt!

So you better do some research before you ever smear me again here with your anti-freeper lovin crap!

[Rebelbase]

You are a William Rivers Pitt wannabe.

[TLBSHOW]

Rebel run along over to your weeper friends and cry there!