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Immigration Isn't An Issue Says Congressional GOP
Sierra Times ^ | August 22,2002 | Sieera Times

Posted on 08/24/2002 7:56:02 PM PDT by sweetliberty

"The National Republican Congressional Committee has been advising its candidates NOT to mention border security and immigration issues in their speeches or campaign literature," stated Janine Hansen Independent American candidate for Congress Dist. 2 in Nevada. "The shyness of the Republican Party and the Bush Administration about immigration explains why they manifest a deafening silence about Rep. George Gekas’s (R-PA) bill (H.R. 5013) called Securing America’s Future through Enforcement Reform (SAFER)," stated Janine Hansen.

"As an Independent American I support Rep. George Gekas’s bill. Represenative Gekas is the Chairman of the Immigration Subcommittee of the House Judiciary Committee. He will start hearings on his bill next month. This legislation is completely in accord with public opinion polls showing that the big majority of the American people want government to reduce the number of legal immigrants, to stop the irresponsible issuance of visas, to deport illegal aliens, and to use U.S. troops to guard our borders," stated Hansen.

Hansen also stated that House Minority Leader Dick Gephardt (D-MO) announced a Democratic Party plan to introduce legislation to grant amnesty to millions of illegal aliens. Nothing is more unpopular with the voters than amnesty (which Senator Robert Byrd (D-WV) called "sheer lunacy"). She accused both Republicans and Democrats of being out of touch with the grass roots on the immigration issues

"America’s doors have always been open to legal immigrants. Had our immigration laws simply been enforced the tragedy of 9/11 may have been avoided. We cannot afford to pretend that immigration is not an issue. We must secure our boarders and protect the American people whether it is politically correct or not," stated Janine Hansen.

Title I of Rep. Gekas’s Immigration bil called Securing the Border, would increase the number of INS investigators and enforcement personnel, lengthen criminal sentences for alien smuggling, beef up the Border Patrol, and use U.S. military troops until the Border Patrol reaches full strength. It would stop granting visas in countries that refuse to cooperate in combating alien smuggling.

Title II, called Screening Aliens Seeking Admission, would tighten up the visa program in order to reduce the risk of aliens using fraudulent passports, require in-person interviews before issuing all visas, and bar any alien who is a member of a terrorist group or supports terrorism. Most people don't understand why this isn't already the law.

Title III, called Tracking Aliens Present in the United States, would establish a comprehensive entry-exit control system with registration and fingerprinting (which INS has promised for years but never implemented). At least 40 percent of illegal aliens (including several 9/11 terrorists) are visa overstayers.

Title IV, called Removing Alien Terrorists, Criminals, and Human Rights Violators , would authorize INS to deport any alien who was inadmissible in the first place or who we have grounds to believe may be a terrorist. This title would reverse several court decisions that accord unreasonable "rights" to terrorists claiming asylum, and would prevent the courts from releasing criminal aliens into the community.

Title V, called Enhancing Enforcement of the Immigration and Nationality Act in the Interior , would protect Social Security cards against counterfeiting and fraudulent use. This title would increase the number of INS investigators, as repeatedly requested by INS, and double the number of INS detention beds.

Title VI would eliminate excessive review and dilatory and abusive tactics by aliens in deportation proceedings. It would also exclude aliens who knowingly make a false asylum application.

Title VII would clean up the problem of voting by illegal aliens. It would require verification of citizenship for voters and applicants.

Title VIII, called Reforming Legal Immigration, would repeal the infamous Diversity Immigrant Program which admits 50,000 immigrants a year, mostly from the Third World including countries that sponsor terrorism, and which helped the Fourth of July LAX murderer win U.S. residency. It would reform the abuses in the refugee program and in the extended-family visa program, and reduce the number of legal immigrants by 20 percent. This would still leave immigration nearly double the traditional level. INS is unable to cope with its current backlog of five million applications.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; borders; gop; illegals; immigration; security
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To: Travelgirl; wirestripper; TheBattman; Budge; pulaskibush; FreetheSouth!; sarcasm; ...
Looks like both sides have an active plan to ignore citizens.
21 posted on 08/24/2002 9:01:18 PM PDT by sweetliberty
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To: VA Advogado
I would willingly trade some of our lazy citizens for some hard working immigrants.

And that's exactly how it should work: people who want to come here should be made to buy the right to be a U.S. citizen from a current citizen.

Once the transaction is completed, the now former lazy U.S. citizen takes the money recieved in payment for his citizenship and buys his way into a third world country, where his purchase price will enable him to live like a lazy minor potentate.

And everybody's happy: The immigrant is now an American, the lazy former-American lives like a king, and the rest of us don't have to worry about moving over to make room for a bloated population or paying relief to lazy Americans or worry about government continuing to grow exponentially in response to population bloat and the need to ration resources.

22 posted on 08/24/2002 9:04:21 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: VA Advogado
I would willingly trade some of our lazy citizens for some hard working immigrants.

But unfortunately, we can't trade them, so we're stuck with them and are out of room otherwise, so ALL immigration should stop, legal and illegal.

23 posted on 08/24/2002 9:08:09 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: Cacique
Ridiculous. You're painting with a very broad brush and being dishonest towards those hard working conservative Republicans's who support and promote the conservative agenda. Let's give credit, where credit is due.
24 posted on 08/24/2002 9:08:58 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: sweetliberty
LOL, that about sums it up.
25 posted on 08/24/2002 9:09:00 PM PDT by dougherty
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To: VA Advogado
I would willingly trade some of our lazy citizens for some hard working immigrants

Actually you probably won't get much of an argument from many members of this forum on this particular issue.

The problem however is not the "hard working immigrant" it's the family and especially the children of the hard working immigrant who are overwhelming our infrastructure.

26 posted on 08/24/2002 9:15:33 PM PDT by Amerigomag
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To: RLK
""The National Republican Congressional Committee has been advising its candidates NOT to mention border security and immigration issues in their speeches or campaign literature,"

Yes, and ostriches stick their head in the sand, but neither approach solves problems. The GOP is dead wrong on this issue, and they had better start listening to "the little people" in flyover country. Not a dime from me until they do an about face. I think I will send some $$ to Gekas though. We should really be supporting this bill.

27 posted on 08/24/2002 9:19:10 PM PDT by holyscroller
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To: sweetliberty
"Immigration isn't an issue," but replacing my vote and the Mrs.'s with those of Mexicans is. We're sitting this one out, and will laugh at the results.
28 posted on 08/24/2002 9:36:43 PM PDT by warchild9
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To: sweetliberty
Looks like both sides have an active plan to ignore citizens.

Why shouldn't they? Threy know we'll vote for them anyway. After all, the other side is so horrible it would be unthinkable not to vote for ....

It's just a game. It's called Good Cop/Bad Cop. It always works. It always keeps those in power from being removed from power.

29 posted on 08/24/2002 9:36:47 PM PDT by templar
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To: holyscroller
Not a dime from me until they do an about face.

But, will you still vote for them?

30 posted on 08/24/2002 9:41:43 PM PDT by templar
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To: templar
But, will you still vote for them?

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No. Absolutely not. Last election I did a write-in for Alan Keyes. I'll vote for Hillary Clinton before I vote for George Bush. I might as well get the genuine article who says she's going to cut my throat and has said so for 30 years than a bozo who vacantly grins at me and then does it. The only practical difference for me between Bush and Owlgore was that if Owlgore had been elected people at this site wouldn't be trying to convince me how brilliant he is.

31 posted on 08/24/2002 9:52:35 PM PDT by RLK
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To: sweetliberty
I believe the administration is using a incremental approach to immigration control.

If you look back over what has been done since 911, you see some personel changes, gradual implementation of the 1996 changes that Clinton totally ignored, and many efforts to build a foundation regarding information tech. to record and track people comming and going or staying.

I expect more and ofcourse I will complain loudly if they donot continue.

The reasons for incrementalism are multiple but I believe that politically, immigration is not yet seen as a problem by most of the country. Bush is fully aware of the problem, but the midwest and central states are not. We must continue to educate.

The other problem is Mexico. We have thousands of agreements with them on everything from right of ways to pipelines. A massive or noticable change in our policies seems to create a huge firestorm in their public forums. They would demand that their government cease all cooperation with the U.S. A large re-patriation of illegals would cause a panic and resulting chaos with our relations. To do it carefully and painfully slowly seems to keep it to a minimum.

As I see it, there are moves underway to better control the border. Money has been appropriated to hire and train hundreds of new border agents. The fact that they said alot of it was for the Canadian border is a diversion, I believe. I see most of those resources going south.

After these folks are in the pipeline I believe you will see more money appropriated for more agents.

Once the border is sealed, quietly and without fanfare, I believe we can gradually eliminate the undesirable illegals and the immigration people will catch up on their paperwork with the others. Those who are not elligable will be re-patriated but at a rate that Mexican authorities can handle without raising issues.

This is what I see. This is why it will likely not be a issue politically, except for a few who lack patience. I appreciate those of you who are vocal, as it moves the process. Unfortunately for me, I know the process must be a slow one. A good example of this is our relations with the Saudis. Privately our diplomats are putting the pressure on them and have been for months. The Saudis are not moving as fast as we would like and we are now publically turning the thumb screws. Ah, the art of diplomacy!

It is important for the U.S, our neighbors and the rest of the world that we do not appear to be buiding a wall or isolating ourselves. I see some in the foreign press calling bush a little hitler for the little that we have done. These idiot foreigners don't understand that we are holding back. They don't understand that if we had to, we are perfectly prepared to take on the entire planet.

In 1-2 years I would like to re-visit this to see if I am correct. I pray that I am, because the future of our economic stability depends on it.

32 posted on 08/24/2002 10:05:10 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: gcruse
Conservatives can easily cause the GOP to lose elections, but it takes more than Conservatives for the GOP to win elections.
33 posted on 08/24/2002 10:16:01 PM PDT by Consort
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To: VA Advogado
How about some hard working airline hijackers??
34 posted on 08/24/2002 10:41:46 PM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: Jimer
Bush seems to have learned that lesson only too well. Courting unions and farmers is one thing, spending billions of taxpayer dollars to get them to switch their votes could lose him more conservatives than he gets in democrats. Not to mention what it does to the deficit and our pocketbooks. The economy won't grow is government soaks up all the money. And an 'L' shaped recovery won't keep him in office.
35 posted on 08/24/2002 10:41:46 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
Then which Democrat would you like to see take Bush's place?
36 posted on 08/24/2002 10:54:01 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Jimer
I would like to see the republicans act less like the democrats and more like conservatives. At this stage, I don't see how Gore would have been any worse.
37 posted on 08/24/2002 10:56:35 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: gcruse
"I would like to see the republicans act less like the democrats and more like conservatives. At this stage, I don't see how Gore would have been any worse."

George Walker Bush is the best friend Democrats have. Goron couldn't have gotten away with a third of the crap Jorge has.

38 posted on 08/24/2002 11:16:31 PM PDT by toenail
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To: All
Face it, the one Presidential Candidate that had it right was Pat Buchanan. When are all the truly conservative GOP types going to wake up that they don't have a home there. When was the last True conservative allowed to speak at the National Convention? Did Keyes get to speak? Embracing Keyes would have reverberated through the entire country. A black conservative that knows what it is about? No they couldn't have that. Has Bush closed the Borders? No! It could have been done within a month if it were a true priority but it is not. He doesn't want to upset his buddy Vicente Fox.

especially for local races check out AmericaFirstParty.org

Ravenstar
39 posted on 08/24/2002 11:24:16 PM PDT by Ravenstar
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To: sweetliberty
There is a simple cure, fine employers using illegals 50 grand per illegal, plus shut their business down for a month.

As for Bush and his globalist cronies in Congress, they can go pound sand with their pals the Saudi's before they will ever get a vote from me or mine again.

40 posted on 08/24/2002 11:49:09 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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