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With their fanatical zeal, you have to wonder how far busybodies will go
Sun.Com ^ | 4 August 2002 | PAUL JACKSON

Posted on 08/05/2002 5:09:05 AM PDT by SheLion

"A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke" -- Groucho Marx

Frankly, I'd far rather have the companionship of a woman than even a good cigar, but that's the way one of the greatest comedians in the world expressed his love for cigars.

But, I'll give it to Groucho, in a free society an individual should be allowed to make their own choices.

Duck Soup Groucho died at the ripe old age of 87, which surely shows smoking cigars was not bad for his health.

Sir Winston Churchill, arguably the greatest man of the 20th century, smoked cigars incessantly, drank like a fish, and ate as much red meat as he could get his hands on.

Winnie lived to be 91.

Adolf Hitler, along with Josef Stalwas one of the most evil men of the 20th century, was a vegetarian, abstained from alcohol, and would not allow smoking anywhere he was. Hitler shot himself in despair at the age of 64.

Now, would you rather pattern yourself after Winston Churchill or Adolf Hitler?

Well, the anti-smoking zealots surely don't want to you to pattern yourself after Churchill and from their rigid, fanatical authoritarian and totalitarian psyche, you might well wonder just how far they'll go if they successfully ban smoking.

Some are already pushing the vegetarian agenda, others animal "rights."

Junk food and fast food are already being targeted, and some 'animal rights' types don't believe people should be allowed to keep pets -- that's enslaving an animal.

Yes, we're dealing not only with zealots here, but 100% proof crackpots. It's amazing politicians -- even Calgary's city council -- listen to them.

In my column "Orwellian dreams" (July 30) I pointed out how mean-spirited, petty busybodies --- some of them on city council -- are threatening to bring financial disaster to hundreds of small bars, restaurants and pool halls.

And at the same time throw thousands of young waiters and waitresses out of jobs as they enforce draconian smoking bans on these enterprising people.

I centred on Charlie Mendelman, owner of The Garage Billiards Bar and Restaurant in Eau Claire, who is typical of small owners who are now at the mercy of the city's stringent anti-smoking committee.

That column was well-received -- Charlie's a popular fellow in town -- but a couple of readers said I had neglected to mention an extremely valid point.

It is this: While the city plans to ban smoking entirely in "public" places, a bar, restaurant, pool or bingo hall or casino are not "public" places.

A "public" place is owned by the public -- through a government agency, usually -- but none of the bars, restaurants and other businesses now under threat from our aldermen are owned by the city or any other government.

They are owned by men and women who have often invested their life savings in them.

In a free society, such places are called private property.

That they are not public property where any citizen can freely enter is also evidenced by the fact that Charlie and his fellow bar owners are legally entitled to refuse admission to anyone they do not want in their establishments -- and can throw you out should your behaviour upset them.

Neither Mendelman nor any other bar or restaurant owner I have spoken with wants to prevent any other owner from voluntarily banning smoking in their establishments, they just want customers to have a freedom of choice in whether they want to go to a bar that allows smoking or one that doesn't.

Seems sensible to me.

Now here I'm indebted to American author and consultant Craig J. Cantoni, who put the matter of freedom of choice in a nutshell in a column in the Arizona Republican.

This is what Cantoni had to say: Free markets work this way: Person A allows smoking in his Mexican restaurant. Person B believes in the second-hand smoke hysteria spread by the anti-smoking fanatics, so he chooses to eat at a Mexican restaurant that bans smoking.

Person C refuses to eat at any Mexican restaurant because he does not want to clog his arteries with lard-drenched refried beans.

Person D does not worry about secondhand smoke or secondhand beans, so he patronizes Person A's restaurant.

All four people have made their own free choices and taken their own responsibility for their own decisions.

Seems pretty sensible to me.

To you, too, probably.

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Jackson, associate editor of the Sun, can be reached at paul.jackson@calgarysun.com. Letters to the editor should be sent to callet@sunpub.com.



TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Canada; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: antismokers; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco
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Paul is a man after my own heart........

And GROUCHO could have had BOTH!

"A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke" -- Groucho Marx

Heh!

1 posted on 08/05/2002 5:09:06 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: Just another Joe; Gabz; Great Dane; Max McGarrity; Tumbleweed_Connection; red-dawg; RikaStrom; ...
It is this: While the city plans to ban smoking entirely in "public" places, a bar, restaurant, pool or bingo hall or casino are not "public" places.

In a free society, such places are called private property.

2 posted on 08/05/2002 5:11:14 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
If Groucho Marx ever said it, he was quoting Rudyard Kipling.
3 posted on 08/05/2002 5:15:18 AM PDT by dighton
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To: dighton
If Groucho Marx ever said it, he was quoting Rudyard Kipling.

Oh! Didn't know that. Tell Paul Jackson! :)

4 posted on 08/05/2002 5:19:21 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Hitler shot himself in despair at the age of 64.

Oh goody, I get to be the historian cop. Hitler (1889-1945) misplaced a large portion of his brains at the age of 56. Good old Stalin, who's favorite supper was roasted suckling pigs, swilled vodka like there was no tommorow, and was photographed quite often smoking his pipe, unfortunately lived to be be 73, popping off in 1953. You just can't tell about these things. :)

5 posted on 08/05/2002 5:31:16 AM PDT by xJones
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To: xJones

6 posted on 08/05/2002 5:33:28 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
  First, the quotation about a woman is only a woman is from Kipling, about 60 years before Groucho.

Second, yes, you can find smokers and drinkers who lived to a ripe old age, and health fanatics who died young, but it's worth remembering that Groucho and Churchill were prosperous enough to get the very best medical attention to prevent or cure some of their symptoms, the sort of attention that most of us couldn't afford.

7 posted on 08/05/2002 6:01:48 AM PDT by DonQ
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To: DonQ
Second, yes, you can find smokers and drinkers who lived to a ripe old age, and health fanatics who died young, but it's worth remembering that Groucho and Churchill were prosperous enough to get the very best medical attention to prevent or cure some of their symptoms, the sort of attention that most of us couldn't afford.

Well, back in the days of Groucho and Churchill, no matter how much money they had, health care wasn't what it is today! Back in "their" days, the Doctors didn't really KNOW what was going on with people. No MRI's, no SONOGRAMS.

Good golly, I didn't WRITE this article! I just posted it! geeeeeesh

8 posted on 08/05/2002 6:09:57 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: DonQ
What you say is very true, but talking with my father a while back I found out something that was very strange. Do you realize back then that the doctors actually promoted smoking for clearing the Lungs & nasal cavaties of congestion. With medicine like that do you really think that they had that much of an advantage.
9 posted on 08/05/2002 6:12:49 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: SheLion
I have to admit that I agree with you SheLion, I'd rather have both.
10 posted on 08/05/2002 6:14:30 AM PDT by HELLRAISER II
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To: DonQ
Actually, tobacco-related deaths occur at an average age of roughly 72, an age at which mortality is not unusual among smokers and non-smokers alike.
11 posted on 08/05/2002 6:17:11 AM PDT by metesky
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To: SheLion
AH yes, a good woman before, and a good cigar after and before again.
Just some of lifes pleasures.
13 posted on 08/05/2002 6:19:47 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: metesky
meteeeeeeeeeeeesky...............so glad your here!!!!!!!!!
14 posted on 08/05/2002 6:25:12 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: HELLRAISER II
Well, Mr Hellraiser, smoking is no more dangerous then eating a Big Mac or french fries. Fat foods take a toll on the heart. I will take my chances with smoking!
15 posted on 08/05/2002 6:27:15 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: zhabotinsky
DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME WHAT TO EAT, DRINK, DO, ETC SO LONG AS I'M NOT HURTING OTHERS IN ANY SUBSTANTIVE WAY

ahhhhhhhhh my kind of thinking!


16 posted on 08/05/2002 6:31:37 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: dighton
Reminds me of the country song about the guy that loves fishing. His wife says she'll leave if he doesn't stop. He says he'll miss her.

17 posted on 08/05/2002 6:31:43 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: Just another Joe
AH yes, a good woman before, and a good cigar after and before again. Just some of lifes pleasures.

You too? Hell, I smoke before and after EVERYTHING I do. LOL!

18 posted on 08/05/2002 6:32:56 AM PDT by SheLion
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To: SheLion
Thank you, SL. Most people say otherwise.
;O)
19 posted on 08/05/2002 6:34:45 AM PDT by metesky
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To: metesky
Thank you, SL. Most people say otherwise. ;O)

Well, they can fork OFF, I say!

(That's not what I meant, but that's what I said. Don't want to get kick off!) LOL

20 posted on 08/05/2002 6:39:00 AM PDT by SheLion
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