"MEXICAN AMNESTY UPDATE" (STRATEGY FROM PRO-ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION WEBSITE)

American-Immigration.Com Attorneys-at-Law ^ | 16 Feb. 2002 | American-Immigration.Com (Pro-Illegal Immigration)

[AmericanInTokyo]

Mexican Amnesty Update

2002/2/16-17:44:6

The Bush administration is pushing Congress to make good on the president's promise to grant amnesty to millions of Mexican workers living and working illegally in the United States. Bush is preparing once more to take up the matter with Mexican President Vicente Fox in Monterrey, Mexico, on March 22.

James W. Ziglar, commissioner of the Immigration and Naturalization Service, for weeks has been insisting the issue is alive. 'Some believe that our migration talks with Mexico have been forgotten in the wake of September 11. I assure you that is not the case,' he told a gathering of pro-immigration organization leaders at the National Immigration Forum Conference earlier this month.

Mr. Ziglar outlined the administration's goals earlier this month at the immigration forum conference, where he said that ranking State Department and INS officials have been meeting with 'high level Mexican officials' on amnesty and related immigration issues. The 'amnesty' is more of a point based guest worker program that would provide legal status, with points being awarded for certain qualities in the applicant. Enough points would qualify a person for a visa.

Those who would be most eligible for the program would be illegal workers who have been in the country for a long time, are employed, have family connections here, have passed background checks and have no criminal record. One question is whether the visas should be temporary or permanent. President Bush wants them to be permanent, in the form of Green Cards.

Others want to see something more like the H-2 temporary work visa, renewable indefinitely. As a compormise, others suggest that Mexican workers be given renewable, temporary work permits. After six to 10 years, the workers could be made eligible for permanent residency. The administration argues that the nation needs foreign workers to farm and garden and to do the menial hotel, restaurant and hospital jobs that many American workers disdain. They say their cheap labor benefits U.S. consumers by keeping down the cost of food and services. Of course, it is also important to recognize and treat fairly the Mexican nationals who have taken up residence in our country.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Some more recent articles on their site praise the passage of 245(i) in the House with Bush support, but urgently seek support to have it passed in the Senate (where it was eventually delayed). This pro-illegal alien amnesty legal group (along with Pres. Bush) supports special privileges and benefits for outright federal INS/Customs Service lawbreakers, slapping the faces of millions of legal immigrants who stood in line, went through the correct procedures, paperwork and fees (and long waiting) and adhered to federal law out of respect for our Republic and it's established sovereign, domestic laws.

Observations, Freepers?

[TomGuy]

their cheap labor

That is the key.
How many of these illegals are being paid even less than minimum wage, no employment benefits, etc. They won't complain because of fear/threat of being deported.

The administration argues that the nation needs foreign workers to farm and garden and to do the menial hotel, restaurant and hospital jobs that many American workers disdain.

There are Americans doing these jobs. Pay is the key. You pay a decent wage, and you can find someone to do the job. Ask any plumber--I'm sure they don't really rejoice as having to clear out a stopped up toilet, but for $50+ an hour they even list their services in the yellow pages.

[Don Myers]

In my newspaper yesterday, the article read that Bush said that we must give special privileges to Mexicans due to our special relationship. If I still believed that this nation had a chance to avoid war or final slide into obscurity, I might get upset over this stuff. But I believe the writing is on the wall, and most Americans do not really deserve their freedoms that they are about to lose.

[AmericanInTokyo]

mega dittoes

[AmericanInTokyo]

What was the big difference, after all, between Gore and Bush on this issue!? I think a lot of conservative Republicans were tricked in 2000 just as they were in previous years by the party establishment. I think some will never learn that lesson, but it does seem like growing numbers are.

[Sabertooth]

Observations, Freepers?

Here's one:

Despite the evidence from all over the political spectrum, obsessive Bush Apologists and Amnesty Deniers will be no more likely to admit the truth today than they were yesterday.

Stepping into the light doesn't appear to be a viable option for them.

Still, it's worth the effort, if only to expose the Deniers' lack of a coherent position to those genuinely on the fence. Nice post.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Thanks there, "Sabey.

[navyblue]

"In my newspaper yesterday, the article read that Bush said that we must give special privileges to Mexicans due to our special relationship" And just what special relationship would that be? Oh, you must mean the only country that has militarily attacked us on our native soil other than the Empire of Japan. I beleive it was in the 1920's when the Mexican army crossed into the United States at Columbia, New Mexico and murdered the American inhabitants. Also we must keep in mind more recent incidents when units of the Mexican army have crossed into the U.S. and fired upon U.S. Border Patrol personnel. Then conveniently hushed up but the higher-ups. We must not forget Mexico'glaringly, obvious lack of support after the 9/11 thing. And their "Go Osama" T-shirts immediately after the attack. Oh yeah! We really have a special relationship here, don't we?

[Don Myers]

I believe that special relationship exists between the Bushes and Mexico, not between Mexico and the US.

[Brownie74]

Pay is the key. You pay a decent wage, and you can find someone to do the job.

You're right. But where can I find an employer that will pay me a decent wage when he or she can get an illegal to work for 1/4 (or less) of what I would?

[navyblue]

Yeah, I suppose you are right!

Bush figures "We elitists are all the same no matter which side of the Rio Bravo we live on! Borders? We don't need no stinkin borders!"

[AmericanInTokyo]

Dont forget the opinion polls pretty soon after 9-11 in Mexico which showed VERY WEAK SUPPORT nor CONCERN for the United States after the attack. Some "allies" at the grassroots, eh? The big concern in Mexico was whether this meant an even stricter USA border to cross.

I remember some polls of illegals in California from Mexico also showed this very self centered, self culture centrific dynamic on the part of Mexico.

Bush is too nice of a guy and it translates into naivety on a grand scale in foreign policy as executed through his State Department and INS. HIS Administration, now. For it is over one year out since he took over from Clinton and could have started cleaning the house. The next terrorist attack is on HIS WATCH.

I hope it does not then develop into an open border laying the groundwork for even more hideous US attacks, but it may very well happen that way. An immense, stupid political risk if you ask me. If there is a major attack and he was seen as being all open borders again, you can bet a conservative candidate will take up the standard against him in 2004, or we may have a conservative populist take up an independent party route in protest. It happened to his dad.

[conserve-it]

Yeah I have an observation. Bush is selling the western states, and even the south down the river. I voted for him in 2000, now every time I look in the mirror, I see a large cherry sucker.

[navyblue]

"Bush is too nice of a guy and it translates into naivety on a grand scale in foreign policy as executed through his State Department and INS. HIS Administration, now. For it is over one year out since he took over from Clinton and could have started cleaning the house. The next terrorist attack is on HIS WATCH."

You know, I actually wanted to beleive what you say about him. I voted for this pallazo and I had hoped he would really turn things around with illegal immigration. He led us to beleive he would control immigration and then did a back flip on us. At first, I gave him the benefit of the doubt and figured he was being over compasionate and naive.

But when he sucks up to Foxy and obviously intends to accellerate the illegal alien problem rather than fixing it, he shows me his true colors. He is looking to provide business with an unlimited source of cheap labor and the American public can be damned! He'll just let us pay for all their welfare benefits and health/education goodies.

But let another 9/11 thing happen and he will be toast along with anyone who supports this ridiculous illegal plan. The next time, you will see a hue and cry to round up and deport every single last alien in the country.

I would not advocate putting foreigners in jail in such a case, but we certainly have the right to order them out of the country. It would be sad to see, but we really need to stop putting P.C. ahead of our national security.

[ikka]

IMHO The values of the people who I have dealt with, if they reflect all from Mexico, show me that they have little in common with civilized society.

Based on my experience, the ones that are here legally are OK. The ones that are here illegally are basically the criminal class, average education is the 6th grade, IQ not that high.

[conserve-it]

"But when he sucks up to Foxy and obviously intends to accellerate the illegal alien problem rather than fixing it, he shows me his true colors. He is looking to provide business with an unlimited source of cheap labor"

This is undeniable. Fawning all over that gangster is proof positive of his intentions.

[conserve-it]

"Based on my experience, the ones that are here legally are OK. The ones that are here illegally are basically the criminal class, average education is the 6th grade, IQ not that high."

Illegal mexicans comprise 1 of every 4 inmates in L A County jails.