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Immigration bill's failure disappoints president
El Paso Times ^ | March 22, 2002 | Sergio Bustos

Posted on 03/23/2002 12:25:55 AM PST by sarcasm

WASHINGTON -- In the weeks leading up to President Bush's trip to Latin America, including a stopover in Mexico, the White House was aggressively pushing Congress to approve a bill allowing undocumented immigrants to stay in the United States while applying for green cards.

The bill passed the House but never made it to the Senate floor for a vote.

The failure to get the bill signed into law in time for the trip abroad was a disappointment for Bush, who wanted to show Mexican President Vicente Fox that his administration was serious about helping the estimated 3 million to 4 million undocumented Mexican immigrants who live in the United States.

Bush, speaking to reporters the day before his Latin American trip, insisted that congressional approval of the measure is a friendly gesture to its southern neighbor.

"I want to show our friends, the Mexicans, that we are compassionate about people who live here on a legal basis, that we don't disrupt the families for people who are here legally," he said.

Passage of the bill would, in fact, allow certain undocumented immigrants to file residency applications without having to leave the country. Current law, covered by Section 245(i) of the U.S. immigration statute, requires such immigrants to return home for as long as 10 years.

To qualify, immigrants would need a family member or employer as a sponsor and need to prove the relationship existed before Aug. 15, 2001. They also would have to pay a $1,000 fine and prove that they were in the country on or before Dec. 21, 2000.

The Mexican government claims between 300,000 and 500,000 Mexicans could be eligible under 245(i).

But immigration experts said passage of 245(i) is a minor issue between the United States and Mexico, affecting a small number of immigrants.

"I think some people in the White House had hoped that this 245(i) bamboozle might fool Mexicans into thinking it was an extraordinary gesture, but the Mexicans understand this one is a minute gesture," said Demetrios Papademetriou, co-director of the Washington-based Migration Policy Institute. A change in 245(i) change "is to pretend as if we were doing something."

If the debate over 245(i) is any indication, that kind of legislation would be doomed.

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle said objections to the 245(i) provision by Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W.Va, and some Republicans made it difficult to bring the measure to a vote before the Senate left town.

Byrd is chairman of the powerful Appropriations Committee, which has a major say in how much the administration can spend each year.

In an angry speech on the Senate floor this week, Byrd said he opposed the measure because he thought it would encourage more illegal immigration and would reopen "another crack in the system through which a potential terrorist can crawl."

"Section 245(i) acts as an incentive, a lure, for illegal immigration by suggesting that it is quicker and more convenient to enter the country illegally than to wait outside the United States to complete the visa application process," he said.


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To: AmericanInTokyo
This hits 'em in the pocketbook. Tell 'em you'll vote with your feet in the next election unless this nonsense stops.

This is a great suggestion and is the kind of practical politics most Freepers should be practicing routinely. I've already done it on this issue and will keep the pressure on. I'm proud to say the representative from my California district, Elton Gallegly, voted against the bill and is a leader in the fight to strengthen our borders.

41 posted on 03/23/2002 8:10:04 AM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: sarcasm;Sabertooth;Vallandigham
This is really a pretty cool outcome, both for Bush and for those conservatives who fought the bill. Bush got to acvocate for 245(i) and look good for the globomonsters, the Pubbies passed it in the House and don't look like "racists," and it was killed by a Democrat in the Senate perhaps disaffecting some of their borderline Hispanic support. From a partisan perspective, the Latinos will react the same way (pro Republican) as they would have if it had passed. At the same time the bill is gone (for now) and its opponents are envigorated and better organized.
42 posted on 03/23/2002 8:11:01 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: AmericanInTokyo
MEChA being a special bunch of people along with a whole long list of other Leftists that should make a good retinue of performers in a TJ entertaintment parlor. Strong words, perhaps but it is better than many other options however entertaining the thought may be. Like Dubya stated, "Ya'all withus or againus" (my dialect) and I say the "bronze people" of MEChA is againus just like the Taliban.
43 posted on 03/23/2002 8:12:47 AM PST by junta
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To: Bernard Marx
Right! and thanks! Also, pick up the phone or send a letter and tell them you LOVE THEM when they also vote correctly!

We often forget to say thanks. Self included. This has a positive reinforcement and helps prevent more Reps. from slipping into the RINO column on issues of importance!!

44 posted on 03/23/2002 8:12:59 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: junta
I know I know. Hey I dont like MeCHA too. But was your post directed towards Luis, who is a good guy? Maybe I'm wrong and it wasn't.....
45 posted on 03/23/2002 8:15:29 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: AmericanInTokyo
I know he is not MEChA scum, but he is of that neo-con persuasion that thinks like the Left, "enemies to the right, none to the left." Other than his persistent ethnic hustling (to be truly diverse he should want the importation of millions of Poles or Chinese as well) he is okay (hear that Luis). Since I am tolerant and loving of diversity if he would want to join the leftists in TJ for romance, well that is his business.
46 posted on 03/23/2002 8:22:48 AM PST by junta
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To: junta
That attitude is YOUR problem.

They are citizens, which is why they can vote.

In the eyes of the law, they are entitled to everything that you are entitled to, if YOU are an American citizen that is.

Not only that, but a good number of them have been on American soil since long before the Irish etc, set foot here.

47 posted on 03/23/2002 8:24:04 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: junta
I'd lay of the "homey" business then, if I were you, unless you guys have some personal understanding. Just a thought.

Thanks for telling me where your coming from.

48 posted on 03/23/2002 8:26:54 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Luis Gonzalez
If you meant CITIZENS you are correct if you meant border crashers then you are wrong they should pack up and go back home. I cannot take the time to answer you fully I have to go back to the "Tiger's girlfriend" thread. have a good day
49 posted on 03/23/2002 8:29:23 AM PST by junta
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Yes I understand I shall aspire to your level of sensitivity and civility, but I have an excuse I have not been fully "toleranced" I'm still a hootin' and hollerin' type of white man, but I'm a gettin' there.
50 posted on 03/23/2002 8:32:24 AM PST by junta
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To: junta
Well, had you taken the time to read before posting that vile diatribe, you may have come to the realization that we're talking about citizens.
51 posted on 03/23/2002 8:33:41 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez
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To: junta
Fine. Whatever.

Anyway, I think it's clear the issue and our problem is not w/Mexicans, it is w/ federal lawbreakers, who we already know from statistics come from all over the place, despite the fact many happen to come from Mexico. I'll agree with you that MeCHA doesn't deserve the time of day.

Have fun on your other threads, friend.

52 posted on 03/23/2002 8:43:34 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo
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To: Luis Gonzalez
No I read your post and the prior ones and I found only mentions of "amnesty." Quit your belly aching, homey is a street joke and "MEChA scum" well that is an apt description of well MEChA. If you wish to defend them it is your business, if you wish to defend ethnic hustlers perpetuating an invasion, again that is your business, but if you wish to play soccer-mom etiquette with me it is only you who cares. Again stop your victim whine before you fall off the chair in a stupor, take a break from the serious and realize the finer things in life rather than debating a yahoo on the internet. I really have to go this time, I'm gonna go practice my golfswing.
53 posted on 03/23/2002 8:45:58 AM PST by junta
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To: NoControllingLegalAuthority
Americans are now second-class citizens in our own country!"

Very True. And we have been second-cass citizens for a long time.

54 posted on 03/23/2002 9:29:03 AM PST by WRhine
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To: AzJP
The problem isn't with the INS. The problem is with our pandering politicians that are allowing millions of legal and illegal immigrants into the country every year, with no regulation in sight.

The INS is presently expected to process a ridiculous 8 million applications each year!

We need an immediate moratorium on all immigration until the INS digs itself out from under and we determine just how many more immigrants, if any, are in the best interest of our nation.

55 posted on 03/23/2002 9:46:30 AM PST by 4Freedom
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Nearly every county in the country has a Republican county committee. Start calling THEM and read them the riot act on this. If you are Republican, state your credentials, or past campaigns you worked in or GOP candidates you donated to.

That is a good idea.

56 posted on 03/23/2002 9:48:54 AM PST by WRhine
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To: sarcasm
For a fresh look at Immigration, and why we need to put serious curbs on the present flow, see Immigration & The American Future.

William Flax

57 posted on 03/23/2002 9:55:28 AM PST by Ohioan
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To: maica,freee-dame,RonDog,Hugh Hewitt,Sabertooth,Major Malfunction
Please read #3. This is what we face every day in Kali, and the invasion is spreading everywhere, with the INS turning a blind eye.

If the INS was run like the BATF, every illegal in America would be arrested, deported or shot in one month.

If the BATF was run like the INS, I could keep howitzers in my backyard and fire them across San Diego morning noon and night.

I just want to know from the president, which laws will they put me in jail for, and which laws "don't really count"?

Glaringly obvious double standards which favor illegal foreign invaders over American citizens and selective enforcement of laws just leads to cynicism, disrepect for ALL laws, and eventually to anarchy as we pick which laws we will obey. This is very dangerous to our Constitutional Republic, or what's left of it.

58 posted on 03/23/2002 10:16:55 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Travis McGee
How can a congresscritter pass a law, see it violated, and then offer amnesty to those violating it? There has to be something unusual here. If he had any principle when making his first vote, he would make sure the law was obeyed, before even considering the second law.
59 posted on 03/23/2002 11:46:40 AM PST by meenie
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To: Luis Gonzalez
They are American citizens, with every right, duty and responsibility that you have.

You are absolutely correct.

My point is that if, as the "Bush is always a genius" crowd believes, these Latinos will swing their vote toward Amnesty, that is not a good thing in the long-term for the GOP. or America..

I think that outreach on the basis of Amnesties for Illegals is condescending and insulting to Latinos, and hypocritical to a party that has portrayed itself as dedicated to upholding the Rule of Law.




60 posted on 03/23/2002 12:02:53 PM PST by Sabertooth
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