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How bin Laden Got Away; A day-by-day account
Christian Science Monitor ^

Posted on 03/03/2002 3:08:20 PM PST by RCW2001

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1 posted on 03/03/2002 3:08:21 PM PST by RCW2001
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To: *TerrorWar;*Espionage_list;*SouthAsia_list;Taliban_list;Black Jade
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2 posted on 03/03/2002 3:15:21 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: RCW2001;Osama bin Laden;taliban_list;TerrOrWar;southasia_list
Good post!

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3 posted on 03/03/2002 3:15:38 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Free the USA
You are fast!
4 posted on 03/03/2002 3:16:21 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I am still reading but knew this one needed to be indexed so I did that first.
5 posted on 03/03/2002 3:19:55 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: RCW2001
we must never forget our good traitor "Democratic Senator Leaky Leahey" who blurted out that we're tracking Bin Laden by his Satellite Cell Phone
Shortly after that all transmissions from that cell phone ceased.

That single fact alone would have had Leahey executed for treason in other countries...

6 posted on 03/03/2002 3:34:42 PM PST by prophetic
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7 posted on 03/03/2002 3:50:19 PM PST by Jen
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8 posted on 03/03/2002 4:05:30 PM PST by knarf
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To: RCW2001
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh do you think out intel knows this?I hope so. It is unreal that I saw on FOX NEWS the reminder that the terrorists trained their 9/11 terror for 2 years UNDETECTED on our soil. Is immigration now actually done right? A huge fed organization with millions in funding need to stay out of dunkin donuts and do their uhhhhhh jobs.
9 posted on 03/03/2002 4:06:11 PM PST by TaRaRaBoomDeAyGoreLostToday!
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To: RCW2001
Excellent post.
10 posted on 03/03/2002 4:21:11 PM PST by RJCogburn
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11 posted on 03/03/2002 4:51:34 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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12 posted on 03/03/2002 5:00:11 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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13 posted on 03/03/2002 5:09:36 PM PST by timestax
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To: prophetic
...by his Satellite Cell Phone

Let's just make that: "by his Satellite Phone" ...

See - they're called 'cell' phones because of the cellular pattern that the coverage area defined by a number of 'base stations' makes up - with a satellite phone (and a satellite covering A LOT of ground area) this concept is no longer operative ...

14 posted on 03/03/2002 5:23:43 PM PST by _Jim
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To: RCW2001
Read this whole article with care. The Moitor has a reputation for getting its stories right.

Assume the whole thing is true, so what? Our Afghani allies were leaky, and their services could be purchased. They did not close the door, and with money and time, din Laden and other key people got away.

The article does not bother to describe the alternative. If we had used nothing but American and British troops for the operations in Afghanistan, bin Laden would have stayed trapped when he was trapped. But how many of our troops would have been required? 100,000? More than that?

And with nothing but our troops doing the fighting, how high would the casualties have been? 1,000? 2,000? Compare that to 2 casualties in fighting, and another 10 in plane crashes and other accidents.

Plus there are long-term political advantages of the Afghanis doing most of the ground fighting to get their own country back. Plus, as long as bin Laden is alive he either communicates, or he is irrelevant (except to Li'l Tommy Daschle). And if he communicates, he can be found.

The choice to let others do most of the ground fighting was a good one at the beginning. Looking back, it was still a good choice, even assuming this account of what happened at Tora Bora is entirely true.

Did I miss anything?

Congressman Billybob

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15 posted on 03/03/2002 5:47:01 PM PST by Congressman Billybob
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Between two and four days later, somewhere between Nov. 28 to Nov. 30 - according to detailed interviews with Arabs and Afghans in eastern Afghanistan afterward - the world's most-wanted man escaped the world's most-powerful military machine, walking - with four of his loyalists - in the direction of Pakistan.

Hmmm... Let's go to the archives...

Alliance Believes Bin Laden with Mullah Omar

There was speculation on another thread that we seemed
to be putting a lot of Men and Material into Kandahar
and that there must be some big game there.
Perhaps this confirms it!

7 posted on 11/26/01 12:29 AM Pacific by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Unfortunately not.

There seem to be two schools of thought here, ST. The NY Times is claiming that UBL is in the Tora Bora range close to the Pakistan border, while some in the British press are hinting he's with Omar in Khandahar
posted on 11/26/01 1:43 AM Pacific by be-baw

Score one for the NYT.

Bin Laden May Be Hiding in 13,000-Foot Mountain

Jalalabad, Afghanistan (AP) - There's a lot of speculation about Osama bin Laden's whereabouts. But an Afghan militia leader says the terror suspect may be hiding inside a 13,000-foot-high mountain.

Hazrat Ali says bin Laden, along with Taliban members and al-Qaida fighters, may all be hiding in what's known as Tora Bora. It's a man-made complex built in a mountain not far from the Pakistan border.

Ali, who used the complex when fighting the Soviets two decades ago, says he's "70-percent" sure bin Laden is there.


I am sticking with my theory: all of the Tora Bora Super Cave stuff is pure deception.

Sure Osama would love to draw the US into a bloody land battle....if he could.

But he won't be there.

Hundreds of his toughest, most fanatical fighters, with millions of rounds of ammo and food for months, but not Osama. After we have blown up or incinerated all of his best cave fighters, we will be pressed to declare that Osama is among the dead inside.

This will make his glorious appearance in the Pakistan slums all the more inspiring to his flock.

If OBL is not already in a safe house in Pakistan, he is hidden in a ninth-tier unknown cave in an unexpected area with no more than ten personal bodyguards.

He's a very smart man, and he has thought all of this out on many levels.

Only a fool underestimates a man who destroyed the mightiest skyscrapers with boxcutter knives.

74 posted on 11/26/01 10:14 PM Pacific by Travis McGee

Good call!

See here for other Taliban_list articles from that period

16 posted on 03/03/2002 6:02:23 PM PST by jennyp
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To: Congressman Billybob
I always felt it was fun starting the fight and then letting the others do the fighting. Then one evening my friends got intimidated by the size of the monsters I had picked an argument with. Finding myself surrounded by hulks far bigger than me, I took advantage of their weakness. They were too big to run very fast. Moral of story: Pick your enemies and watch your friends.
17 posted on 03/03/2002 6:05:27 PM PST by meenie
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To: prophetic
we must never forget our good traitor "Democratic Senator Leaky Leahey" who blurted out that we're tracking Bin Laden by his Satellite Cell Phone

Shortly after that all transmissions from that cell phone ceased.

Oh no. This cannot be right. If so....what in the hell is WRONG with that freaky senator? He has done so much damage in his lifetime. He must hate our nation with great passion.

18 posted on 03/03/2002 6:08:48 PM PST by Republic
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I didn't think anyone was reading the Taliban_List.

LOL!

Osama has certainly been an elusive Arab,
but this article (I assume it is accurate )
certainly indicates how business is done in the Islamic underworld.

A pile of cash will get you taken care of!

19 posted on 03/03/2002 6:17:43 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Congressman Billybob
The choice to let others do most of the ground fighting was a good one at the beginning. Looking back, it was still a good choice, even assuming this account of what happened at Tora Bora is entirely true.

I certainly agree with your comment and I think that is the way we need to continue.

Very clearly, Money talks in that part of the world and since we have more of it than anyone we should use in more imaginative ways!

I think we just got outbid!

20 posted on 03/03/2002 6:20:55 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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