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Riordan defends his views before tough GOP crowd in San Jose (CA GOP Convention Day 2)
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 9 February 2002

Posted on 02/09/2002 6:02:41 PM PST by CounterCounterCulture

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:10 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

SAN JOSE, Calif. - Republican gubernatorial candidate Richard Riordan attempted Saturday to calm the doubts of party conservatives about his loyalty.

Riordan faced Secretary of State Bill Jones and businessman Bill Simon, along with an audience of the GOP's most faithful activists, during a debate at the Republican state convention less than a month before the March 5 primary.


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To: BlackElk
Do you think that the Chicanos miss the good old days in Mexico enough to want to establish California, Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, etc., as Northern Mexico with $300 annual incomes to match?

The corrupt professionals who run La Raza in this state sure do. They have the money and the know-how to take advantage of such corruption. That it would be an absolute horror is not in question. I know of a doctor who for years has flown a Mexican flag on his pastoral compound. He has a 3,500 square foot house in an upscale neighborhood. He keeps a cadre of apparent illegals on his place in old house trailers and unpermitted ramshackle houses. His animals are loaded with parasites. The neighbors take them to the vet out of pity. His kid has built a large multistory greenhouse with grow lights running all night within 30 feet of a county road. He flies a Swiss flag on the front (medical marijuana?).

When September 11 came along, down came the Mexican flags and up went an American flag on his gate, sporting a portrait of Marylin Monroe. It says "Proud to be an American."

Yeah, right.

101 posted on 02/10/2002 5:59:13 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: BlackElk
This is not a matter of being progressive. This is a matter of rightist reality. The California GOP will either figure out how to make amends to offended potentially Republican Hispanics and figure out how to make deep inroads into their voting strength (one would suggest social conservatism) or look at a future in which the good Hispanics and you will be ruled by the worst elements in the Chicano community combining all the least lovable aspects of Jesse Unruh, Jesse Jackson, Jesse James and Boss Tweed.

You are quite correct in your assessment.

Again, what is your plan? Will you spend your lives sniffling over the glories of the lost California of your grandparents' youth? Will you do something to assimilate the newcomers and bring them along into middle class life and to vote against the Demonrats?

My goal is to start with a massive change in land management and environmental policy. I have written a book to that end. Environmentalists and property rights activists simply have to stop the banks in their ongoing drive to bring 15 million more people here in the next 50 years (that is the plan).

If Proposition 187 was really so terribly popular on an ongoing basis the California supermajority that voted for it would not be caught dead electing Davis or nominating RINO Riordan. It was a spasm easily disposed of by the courts who are not your friends. You also would not be sending DiFi and that egregious Boxer woman to the US Senate.

There is a new majority to be constructed. It consists of existing political conservatives, Hispanic social conservatives, second generation Hispanic business owners, suburban environmentalists, and advocates of high quality education. I think Bill Simon is smart enough, honest enough, and flexible enough to learn to articulate that message. I spent a little time teaching it to him yesterday. He has the book as does his staff, and they know where to find me. That's all I can do in addition to teaching the message of free market environmental management. Switzerland, not Panama.

102 posted on 02/10/2002 6:08:48 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: Carry_Okie
As I responded to you on another thread, it sounds like a plan. I think Simon is the only potential governor in the field who can do for California and America what Reagan once did.

If you can figure how to involve suburhban enviromentalists in something positive, that should be a first, and likewise as to high quality education in government schools.

Sincere best wishes.

103 posted on 02/10/2002 6:17:34 PM PST by BlackElk
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To: BlackElk
Working on it. I live in the mouth of the beast, in Santa Cruz. We're not leaving.

It's save California or lose the nation. It's that simple.

104 posted on 02/10/2002 6:22:33 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: TheAngryClam
#s 58, 91, 101, & 102
105 posted on 02/10/2002 6:26:52 PM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: CounterCounterCulture
phooey! Riordan's another clone that is just like Gray (brainless) Davis.... He should re-register as a Demo-thief.
106 posted on 02/10/2002 6:34:19 PM PST by pointsal
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To: Carry_Okie
Wow! You're awesome! I glanced at your website and it looks great. Good luck with the book. I'm in the San Joaquin Valley and I remember the days when I was a little girl where you looked east and the Sierra Nevada was so clear and dramatic it would take your breath away. Now we here are lucky to get that view maybe 4 or 5 days a year. It's so sad, so much pollution now. Does your book have any ideas on how to clean up that San Francisco Bay? The southern end is truly disgusting to view (and smell!). Funny, something I've noticed lately, the greater the number of liberal environmentalists in a state, the filthier the state is. It seems like they perpetuate the problems instead of solving them.
107 posted on 02/10/2002 6:46:41 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: CounterCounterCulture; ElkGroveDan
Look at the pics here, post #9
108 posted on 02/11/2002 5:53:44 AM PST by Gophack
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To: Avoiding_Sulla
So, I'll bite: what does Bill Simon specifically offer besides not being Dick Riordan?

Bill Simon offers a clear choice to Gray Davis. Voters will always vote the status quo given two candidates who are virtually the same. Simon offers a difference.

Simon is not "hard" like Dan Lungren. He has common sense, is compassionate, and has the charitable background that will help exude a sense of warmth and character. It will be hard to pin a "right-wing extremist" label on him when he has proven he cares about people, the underprivileged, etc., etc.

Simon is smart. He can hold his own with Gray Davis, and knows more about budgeting, the economy and business than any career politician.

Simon has actually DONE something with his life, and can point to his accomplishments as a businessman, a prosecutor, and a philantropist. He has tangible accomplishments. While Davis IS the sitting governor, he has done nothing but politics his entire life practically. While this is the million dollar question ... are people sick of career politicians? ... I think the answer is yes, and that helps Simon.

Because Davis has so many problems (budget, taxes, energy, etc), Simon can come in and offer alternatives on every Davis screw-up. If Davis pushes on the social issues, and Simon talks economy and energy and people will think Davis is avoiding the hard questions.

Simon, conservative; Davis, liberal. But Davis is REALLY liberal, and Simon is a warm, compassionate conservative. People will vote for someone they don't agree with on everything if they LIKE the person and they KNOW where they stand -- no surprises. People did not LIKE Dan Lungren, and Lungren betrayed the gunners.

109 posted on 02/11/2002 6:01:35 AM PST by Gophack
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To: Torie; Dan from Michigan
Riordan doesn't need the grass roots to win. In fact the grass roots is a myth in California. It is all money, television, and hit mailers. But then you aleady knew that.

Wow you are a real bitter cynical person aren't you?

I really resent that. I have been part of the grassroots in California for many years. The grass roots has been down and unmotivated in recent years, but that's because we keep nominating people like Riordan (ok not riordan, no one is as bad as riordan). But it is really hard for people to get motivated by the likes of Tom Campbell or John Seymour at the top of the ticket.

In the years when there are solid conservatives to work for, not just in California, but anywhere, in those years people get out and work and get excited. Unfortunaltely on a statewide level we haven't had someone like that since Herschensohn in 1992. On issues like Proposition 22 - the Defense of Marriage Act, in 2000, the grassroots grew into to tall fields of grass indeed. We could barely keep up with the lawn signs and precinct activities. There were a million lawn signs placed statewide. That can only be done through grass roots.

Just wait and see. After Bill Simon wins March 5th. The grassroots across California will come out of the woodwork.

110 posted on 02/11/2002 6:30:44 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: Gophack; StoneColdGOP; toenail; Impeach98; Dan from Michigan; RWGuy; TwoStep...
OK, I have lost so much respect for this yoyo riordan, that I can't even capitalize his name anymore.

I sat near the front at the convention debate and was absolutely apalled at how he insulted our former governor Deukmejian.

From now on it will be "riordan" in all my posts

111 posted on 02/11/2002 6:34:46 AM PST by ElkGroveDan
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To: David, sabertooth
If Riordan wins the nomination, he is going to need A LOT of independent support to win. It would be shades of RINO Christie Whitman's win in New Jersey over McGreevey in 1997 (by about 1,200 votes), when she received a huge edge among independent voters, despite low Republican and high Dem turnout in the state.
112 posted on 02/11/2002 6:42:49 AM PST by Clemenza
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To: Clemenza
After the media get done with Riordan, no way. Davis has enough money to get it done.
113 posted on 02/11/2002 7:00:21 AM PST by Carry_Okie
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To: gohabsgo
Nice post......Used to live in CA.

Orange Co...RVSD Co.

We, my wife and two children, left CA...for some of the reasons you mention. The overturning of the PROPS....were one of the ''final straws'' for us....................

Best FRegards,

114 posted on 02/11/2002 9:35:53 AM PST by Osage Orange
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To: Gophack
Thanks. That's a good sight better than goldstategop. From what you've wrote you make Bill Simon sound like riordan with principles, and that isn't bad.

Now if he works with his aids on improving his appearance and mannerisms incrementally, so it's natural and not forced, he's a sure winner.

The leftists only chance would be in stealing the vote -- and that's something else again, especially in the urban areas. You, of course, know who could do something to prevent that this time?

115 posted on 02/11/2002 9:44:47 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla
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To: CounterCounterCulture
If you want to check out the Liberal Democrat spin on this topic; check out the Real Audio National Public Radio report about the Riordan vs Davis Governor race. The NPR liberals use the term RINO, they go above and beyond the liberal agenda by doing a past recording of Riordan on saying that Abortion is murder and then contrasting it to his current stand.

Finally, they indicate that at the Democratic National Convention, when asked who he would vote for (Gore vs. GW) he said he wasn't sure. They really pointed out that he is not a "party" politician. They also imply that he is the only person who has a chance of beating Davis.

While, I don't believe everything (or even a small fraction) of what I hear on NPR, I do think it is interesting to hear what the liberal Democrats have to say about things, expecially political things. (Know your enemy!)

The URL for the "reporting" can be found at NPR Real Audio link

The NPR Summary is;
Ex-LA Mayor Vies with Conservatives in Gubernatorial Bid Republican gubernatorial candidate Richard Riordan faces two conservatives in the California race. The former Los Angeles mayor is criticized for his moderate views. NPR's Ina Jaffe reports on Morning Edition. Feb. 11, 2002.

116 posted on 02/11/2002 10:45:46 AM PST by Robert357
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To: Califreeper
Califreeper
No current Freeper by that name.
BUH-BYYYYYYYE!
117 posted on 02/11/2002 11:16:58 AM PST by CounterCounterCulture
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To: Robert357
The NPR Summary is; Ex-LA Mayor Vies with Conservatives in Gubernatorial Bid Republican gubernatorial candidate Richard Riordan faces two conservatives in the California race. The former Los Angeles mayor is criticized for his moderate views. NPR's Ina Jaffe reports on Morning Edition. Feb. 11, 2002.
I've repeatedly noted that the discussion should never be about whether or not the media was liberal, but rather how far they dared to go. This summary adds more fuel to the fire. There is virtually nobody criticizing riordan for being "moderate." This is clearly not unbiased reporting. To reword what was said in this way is untruthful. It tells us what the reporter or editor thinks of what is being criticized. It recenters the items being critized from left to moderate. And thus it implicitly labels all criticism of leftward (or statist) thinking as rightwing.

Thus, the propaganda machine is alive and well funded by your tax dollars. And they are less afraid to go further into the open with every passing day. Because nobody has even threatened to stop them since 1994. And he was driven out of office.

118 posted on 02/11/2002 11:36:52 AM PST by Avoiding_Sulla
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Somebody better get a clue. Most Republicans in CA are RINOs.
119 posted on 02/11/2002 12:06:32 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug
Uh, sorry. Maybe in your neck of the woods, but certainly NOT in mine.
120 posted on 02/11/2002 12:21:02 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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